(12-11-2014 05:43 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Don't disagree that Memphis or ECU would be good choices but disagree with your assessment regarding USF and UCF.
Both of those schools are young but they are large public schools that will continue to grow in alumni and state power. I'm not going to say they will replace UF but I have no doubt that they will surpass Miami a small private school with limited support if either was taken by a P5 like the Big12 and would give FSU a run for their money in the longer future.

yes, I can certainly see UCF surpassing Miami due to what you mentioned and the competition with the dolphins for fan support, and the fact that Miami has never had a stadium. USF could do the same when the build an OCS. It would also help if the bucs relocated. You can't underestimate how bad the NFL is for a college when trying to build a loyal year in and year out fan base. When USF loses, "oh well,I m a Buccaneer fan any way".....sort of thing happens. If Nebraska loses where are the football fans going to go watch their lifes passion? Right back to Lincoln for the next game.

(12-11-2014 03:34 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

That is terrible news. If you are ESPN/Fox, you are already getting Memphis without showing Memphis. This goes to the fact that Memphis is great for football, just not Memphis football. As is often the case in realignment, you have to ask yourself why ESPN (who owns half the Big12) pay more money for something it already has - both in Memphis for bottom dollar, and the Memphis market via the SEC?

I guess you're assuming that #5 is as high as any market might go. That if an additional P5 connection is created with the city that it's not possible that even more viewers might tune in. Honestly, I really don't think that's a valid assumption -- but you're welcome to it.

(12-11-2014 06:37 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 03:34 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

That is terrible news. If you are ESPN/Fox, you are already getting Memphis without showing Memphis. This goes to the fact that Memphis is great for football, just not Memphis football. As is often the case in realignment, you have to ask yourself why ESPN (who owns half the Big12) pay more money for something it already has - both in Memphis for bottom dollar, and the Memphis market via the SEC?

I guess you're assuming that #5 is as high as any market might go. That if an additional P5 connection is created with the city that it's not possible that even more viewers might tune in. Honestly, I really don't think that's a valid assumption -- but you're welcome to it.

BTW - Memphis was tied at #5 in both 2014 and 2013 >>>

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...f-viewers/

(12-10-2014 08:19 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  Lifted from Shaggy Bevo. The American does pretty well.

Top Non P5+ND Schools by Viewership of Games against other non P5+ND Schools. List ordered by average TV viewership for those games.

Large to small
Put numbers in at major change points Numbers in millions -
Minimum of 4 games to get on list.

Boise State /.91
BYU /.90
Fresno State /.79
UConn /.64
UCF /.58
Cincinnati /.50
USF
Wyoming
Utah State
Toledo
Houston
No. Illinois
Ohio
ECU /.31
Tulsa /.25
Tulane
Texas State
Temple
UNLV
Memphis /.16

Ordered by total viewers Numbers in millions
[/b]Boise State 6.4
BYU 6.3
UConn 4.5
[b] UCF 3.5
[/b]Fresno State 3.2
Utah State 3.0
USF 2.9
[b]Cincinnati 2.5
Houston 2.5
ECU 2.2
Wyoming 1.8
Toledo 1.7
No. Illinois 1.6
Tulsa 1.5
Ohio 1.5
Tulane 1.1
Temple 1.1
Texas State 0.9
Memphis 0.8
UNLV 0.6

All teams that played week 15 may not have been calculated into the results. I know ECU has 2.2 millions through week 14. All American(except USF& Memphis) teams are going to move up along with Boise and Fresno St.

The UCF and ECU game could propel both teams up the rankings once in. ECU Cincy game drew 800k on espn2. I could see the ECU_UCF game drawing with 700k-1.2 millions.

Check back in when all the values are calculated.

At that point the American could have 8 out of 10 with only Boise and BYU above them.

ECU could go from 10th to 6th depending on ratings but should at least get to 8.

USF stands to drop the farthest along with Utah State

(12-11-2014 06:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:43 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Don't disagree that Memphis or ECU would be good choices but disagree with your assessment regarding USF and UCF.
Both of those schools are young but they are large public schools that will continue to grow in alumni and state power. I'm not going to say they will replace UF but I have no doubt that they will surpass Miami a small private school with limited support if either was taken by a P5 like the Big12 and would give FSU a run for their money in the longer future.

yes, I can certainly see UCF surpassing Miami due to what you mentioned and the competition with the dolphins for fan support, and the fact that Miami has never had a stadium. USF could do the same when the build an OCS. It would also help if the bucs relocated. You can't underestimate how bad the NFL is for a college when trying to build a loyal year in and year out fan base. When USF loses, "oh well,I m a Buccaneer fan any way".....sort of thing happens. If Nebraska loses where are the football fans going to go watch their lifes passion? Right back to Lincoln for the next game.

I understand what you are saying but from my experience the NFL fans and the college football fan are two different types.
Both UCF and USF will grow their support from their alumni and fan base growing older and wealthier. Most of our fan bases are either just out of college or starting families. The income is really limited and going to games is competing with family activities like kids peewee games etc. in my book that and all the other sources of entertainment in the area including UF football games are a bigger drawback to our programs than the NFL.

(12-11-2014 07:46 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 06:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:43 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Don't disagree that Memphis or ECU would be good choices but disagree with your assessment regarding USF and UCF.
Both of those schools are young but they are large public schools that will continue to grow in alumni and state power. I'm not going to say they will replace UF but I have no doubt that they will surpass Miami a small private school with limited support if either was taken by a P5 like the Big12 and would give FSU a run for their money in the longer future.

yes, I can certainly see UCF surpassing Miami due to what you mentioned and the competition with the dolphins for fan support, and the fact that Miami has never had a stadium. USF could do the same when the build an OCS. It would also help if the bucs relocated. You can't underestimate how bad the NFL is for a college when trying to build a loyal year in and year out fan base. When USF loses, "oh well,I m a Buccaneer fan any way".....sort of thing happens. If Nebraska loses where are the football fans going to go watch their lifes passion? Right back to Lincoln for the next game.

I understand what you are saying but from my experience the NFL fans and the college football fan are two different types.
Both UCF and USF will grow their support from their alumni and fan base growing older and wealthier. Most of our fan bases are either just out of college or starting families. The income is really limited and going to games is competing with family activities like kids peewee games etc. in my book that and all the other sources of entertainment in the area including UF football games are a bigger drawback to our programs than the NFL.

We will have 450k living alumn in 11 years. Penn state has a little over 1 million including their worldwide alumn

(12-11-2014 08:10 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 07:46 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 06:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:43 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Don't disagree that Memphis or ECU would be good choices but disagree with your assessment regarding USF and UCF.
Both of those schools are young but they are large public schools that will continue to grow in alumni and state power. I'm not going to say they will replace UF but I have no doubt that they will surpass Miami a small private school with limited support if either was taken by a P5 like the Big12 and would give FSU a run for their money in the longer future.

yes, I can certainly see UCF surpassing Miami due to what you mentioned and the competition with the dolphins for fan support, and the fact that Miami has never had a stadium. USF could do the same when the build an OCS. It would also help if the bucs relocated. You can't underestimate how bad the NFL is for a college when trying to build a loyal year in and year out fan base. When USF loses, "oh well,I m a Buccaneer fan any way".....sort of thing happens. If Nebraska loses where are the football fans going to go watch their lifes passion? Right back to Lincoln for the next game.

I understand what you are saying but from my experience the NFL fans and the college football fan are two different types.
Both UCF and USF will grow their support from their alumni and fan base growing older and wealthier. Most of our fan bases are either just out of college or starting families. The income is really limited and going to games is competing with family activities like kids peewee games etc. in my book that and all the other sources of entertainment in the area including UF football games are a bigger drawback to our programs than the NFL.

We will have 450k living alumn in 11 years. Penn state has a little over 1 million including their worldwide alumn

So in 11 years what's going to happen to UCF with relation to Pedd St? Sorry, I honestly don't understand your post...

(12-12-2014 10:57 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 08:10 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 07:46 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 06:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 05:43 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Don't disagree that Memphis or ECU would be good choices but disagree with your assessment regarding USF and UCF.
Both of those schools are young but they are large public schools that will continue to grow in alumni and state power. I'm not going to say they will replace UF but I have no doubt that they will surpass Miami a small private school with limited support if either was taken by a P5 like the Big12 and would give FSU a run for their money in the longer future.

yes, I can certainly see UCF surpassing Miami due to what you mentioned and the competition with the dolphins for fan support, and the fact that Miami has never had a stadium. USF could do the same when the build an OCS. It would also help if the bucs relocated. You can't underestimate how bad the NFL is for a college when trying to build a loyal year in and year out fan base. When USF loses, "oh well,I m a Buccaneer fan any way".....sort of thing happens. If Nebraska loses where are the football fans going to go watch their lifes passion? Right back to Lincoln for the next game.

I understand what you are saying but from my experience the NFL fans and the college football fan are two different types.
Both UCF and USF will grow their support from their alumni and fan base growing older and wealthier. Most of our fan bases are either just out of college or starting families. The income is really limited and going to games is competing with family activities like kids peewee games etc. in my book that and all the other sources of entertainment in the area including UF football games are a bigger drawback to our programs than the NFL.

We will have 450k living alumn in 11 years. Penn state has a little over 1 million including their worldwide alumn

So in 11 years what's going to happen to UCF with relation to Pedd St? Sorry, I honestly don't understand your post...

My point is you have a blue blood that has been around over 100 years and their living alum are just over 1 mill. We are pumping out grads at a rate of 15k per year. It will only take us about 35 years to reach the same number of alum with associated family etc. The program and fanbases growth etc will propel is past Miami etc. We are already reaching into south fl

(12-11-2014 03:34 PM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

That is terrible news. If you are ESPN/Fox, you are already getting Memphis without showing Memphis. This goes to the fact that Memphis is great for football, just not Memphis football. As is often the case in realignment, you have to ask yourself why ESPN (who owns half the Big12) pay more money for something it already has - both in Memphis for bottom dollar, and the Memphis market via the SEC?

Bwahahahahaha. Thats not how it works.

Nobody watches in connecticut so we know they arent gonna pay for nobody.