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Top Non P5+ND Schools by Viewership of Games against other non P5+ND Schools.
Well as long as we have the numbers I think it would be fair to look at all of them so please post the whole years
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(12-11-2014 03:00 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  Just another thread by a fan of a program highlighting stats that make their program the "obvious choice" for P5 inclusion. Almost every program has fans that have done it and when they do, fans from the lower rated (in that stat) offer reasoning why they didn't do well only to be laughed at by those at the top of that stat.

Only the absence of more stats will end the cycle.
It's not my fault UConn was at the top and Memphis was at the bottom, but it's the fact. Just as Memphis was on the top of the standings and UConn was on the bottom. I would gladly trade spots.

I think this is much more relevant to out TV contract than realignment and I spoke to such when I commented on the AAC and not UConn.
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(12-10-2014 06:46 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  
(12-10-2014 10:12 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Frank the Tank wrote a good article on the potential of the Memphis football market ->

http://frankthetank.me/2014/12/08/colleg...d-memphis/


...I’ve also always acknowledged that any school with a great basketball fan base (i.e. UConn, Memphis, San Diego State, New Mexico, etc.) could do wonders for its conference realignment prospects if it could merely be competent in football. (I’d also say the same thing about quality academic schools in attractive locations, as well – see how much Tulane and Rice could be worth if they could string a few winning seasons together.) Memphis with a solid football program can certainly be a financially viable addition and it’s in a recruiting rich area for both football and basketball players. While its market is in SEC territory, it’s a split area for football (mainly between Tennessee and Ole Miss), has shown to be unified for Memphis basketball, and it’s a region that isn’t oversaturated with power school competition (much like Cincinnati where it’s a great recruiting region with “only” Ohio State as an in-state competitor and it’s located on the outer geographic band of the flagship’s sphere of influence). In contrast, the states of Texas, Florida and North Carolina are overloaded with power conference schools already...

Frank has posted here in the past. He loooooooves the B1G.

He says BYU and UConn are the two biggest catches available for the P5 conferences. But I think he says Cincinnati and BYU are the best options for the Big 12.

That and 3 more opinions will buy you an empty paper cup of coffee.
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(12-10-2014 10:26 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So the Memphis market has "potential" yet barely anyone was watching during their best year in ages?

Don't hurt yourself beating your chest over tv ratings
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Even going up against the first Dallas Cowboy Thursday Night NFL Network game since 2007, a game vs the Bears which was the 3rd highest EVER for NFL Network, UCF vs ECU still attracted over 1.035 Million viewers last Thursday (even though it was a first half blowout for casual viewers, many who probably surfed other channels, as the game didn't get tight and amazing till the 4th Q).
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John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.
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(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

The problem is that they're watching SEC games, not Memphis games.
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(12-11-2014 10:36 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

The problem is that they're watching SEC games, not Memphis games.

True --- mostly the SEC but I'd think that includes other P5 games on ESPN. It would be difficult to average top 5 without those other P5 games being viewed.
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(12-11-2014 10:50 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 10:36 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

The problem is that they're watching SEC games, not Memphis games.

True --- mostly the SEC but I'd think that includes other P5 games on ESPN. It would be difficult to average top 5 without those other P5 games being viewed.

Local sportswriter >>> "Whether expansion happens will be a math question answered by ESPN."
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(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

but does that necessarily translate as a good thing for Memphis though? I'm not sure that it does... I've met a ton of OLE MISS and Tennessee and Arkansas fans from Memphis, among others.also, the fact that memphis could no longer secure the liberty bowl for the conference it resides in (SEC v Big 12) tells me no. maybe I'm wrong and that has nothing to do with your point.
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(12-10-2014 10:26 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So the Memphis market has "potential" yet barely anyone was watching during their best year in ages?

TV was done before we improved...our games were on:

3 games on ESPNU
3 games on ESPNNews
2 games on ESPN3
2 games on CBSSN
1 game on Pac 12 Network
1 game on SEC Network

0 ESPN or ESPN2 games.
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(12-11-2014 11:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

but does that necessarily translate as a good thing for Memphis though? I'm not sure that it does... I've met a ton of OLE MISS and Tennessee and Arkansas fans from Memphis, among others.also, the fact that memphis could no longer secure the liberty bowl for the conference it resides in (SEC v Big 12) tells me no. maybe I'm wrong and that has nothing to do with your point.

Not sure what the Liberty owl has to do with anything but they're in business and if you had to pick between the Big 12 and the AAC or the SEC and AAC it's really a no brainer. So not sure how that reflects on anything - but the Liberty Bowl's good sense.
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(12-11-2014 12:04 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
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(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

but does that necessarily translate as a good thing for Memphis though? I'm not sure that it does... I've met a ton of OLE MISS and Tennessee and Arkansas fans from Memphis, among others.also, the fact that memphis could no longer secure the liberty bowl for the conference it resides in (SEC v Big 12) tells me no. maybe I'm wrong and that has nothing to do with your point.

Not sure what the Liberty owl has to do with anything but they're in business and if you had to pick between the Big 12 and the AAC or the SEC and AAC it's really a no brainer. So not sure how that reflects on anything - but the Liberty Bowl's good sense.

Yeah, simple business.

Big 12 vs SEC

Or

AAC vs SEC

Easy choice...
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(12-11-2014 12:04 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
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(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

but does that necessarily translate as a good thing for Memphis though? I'm not sure that it does... I've met a ton of OLE MISS and Tennessee and Arkansas fans from Memphis, among others.also, the fact that memphis could no longer secure the liberty bowl for the conference it resides in (SEC v Big 12) tells me no. maybe I'm wrong and that has nothing to do with your point.

Not sure what the Liberty owl has to do with anything but they're in business and if you had to pick between the Big 12 and the AAC or the SEC and AAC it's really a no brainer. So not sure how that reflects on anything - but the Liberty Bowl's good sense.

agreed. Your right about liberty bowl using common sense after 20 years of no sense by inviting a non SEC team and picking mwc and cusa teams. Glad they finally figured that out. Now address my first point about SEC fans in Memphis and how that the high tv ratings in Memphis have more to do with them...
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I prefer this site:

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

It is easy to see the correlation that time slots and network have on ratings. ESPN News is not desirable. ESPN/ESPN2 are. FS1 and ESPNU are similar. Broadcast networks are the best.
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(12-11-2014 02:54 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 12:04 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 11:49 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 10:28 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  John Martin @JohnMartin929 · 1h 1 hour ago
We sure do love our football. RT @BradCarson: ESPN TV just released that Memphis was a top 5 market for Saturday CFB games on average.

but does that necessarily translate as a good thing for Memphis though? I'm not sure that it does... I've met a ton of OLE MISS and Tennessee and Arkansas fans from Memphis, among others.also, the fact that memphis could no longer secure the liberty bowl for the conference it resides in (SEC v Big 12) tells me no. maybe I'm wrong and that has nothing to do with your point.

Not sure what the Liberty owl has to do with anything but they're in business and if you had to pick between the Big 12 and the AAC or the SEC and AAC it's really a no brainer. So not sure how that reflects on anything - but the Liberty Bowl's good sense.

agreed. Your right about liberty bowl using common sense after 20 years of no sense by inviting a non SEC team and picking mwc and cusa teams. Glad they finally figured that out. Now address my first point about SEC fans in Memphis and how that the high tv ratings in Memphis have more to do with them...

Hold on just a minute, my friend. There's a bit more to this story than was given in the initial post. Always take with a grain of salt detailed info that's presented without a link to the data. The carrier has a whole lot to do with the number of viewers. FWIW, admittedly Memphis is the home of a lot of SEC school's fans, but they really turned out to be Tiger fans also in 03-05 when we started winning 7-9 games a year.
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(12-11-2014 12:02 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(12-10-2014 10:26 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  So the Memphis market has "potential" yet barely anyone was watching during their best year in ages?

TV was done before we got good...our games were on:

3 games on ESPNU
3 games on ESPNNews
2 games on ESPN3
2 games on CBSSN
1 game on Pac 12 Network
1 game on SEC Network

0 ESPN or ESPN2 games.

So, these were the games that were included in the data;
SMU ESPN N
Tulsa ESPN U
Temple ESPN U
Tulane ESPN U
UConn ESPN N
Since the initial post didn't include the link to the data, and I now understand why; here is the link:
http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

If you're on ESPN, you get bigger numbers and it doesn't matter who you are playing. We weren't even on anyone's radar list until half the season was gone and even then U/News is where we ended up, and a quick scan of the data shows that they are on the bottom of the list in most cases....they just are.

Our numbers wouldn't have been great no matter what, because we weren't expected to be as good as we turned out to be, but there's always a red flag when data is presented but no link to the source is given. Just for grins, our lowest rated game was; guess who.......UConn.

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...and here's the thread that the info was lifted from, a few posts below the info is a link to the data. They were thoughtful enough over there to provide a source for the data. :)
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthre...?p=7523390
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(12-11-2014 03:05 PM)freshtop Wrote:  I prefer this site:

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

It is easy to see the correlation that time slots and network have on ratings. ESPN News is not desirable. ESPN/ESPN2 are. FS1 and ESPNU are similar. Broadcast networks are the best.

Thank you.

I was posting that link with some comments just about the same time you posted, it just took a long time to locate the data that the initial poster was quoting. I'm glad I found the same site that you did.

Many thanks Hilltopper.
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UC played Ohio State on the BTN. Not a fair comparison to playing someone on ESPN. Therefore this is a waste of effort.
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(12-11-2014 03:22 PM)mlb Wrote:  UC played Ohio State on the BTN. Not a fair comparison to playing someone on ESPN. Therefore this is a waste of effort.

...and that's the whole point, mlb. You can't just throw data up on a board without some link or qualifying comments. I don't appreciate having to spend as much time as I did trying to find where it came from in the first place.
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