Yes, Ohio desperately needs an 8th FBS team.

(12-10-2014 11:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:15 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  Let's add one of the Div II Hawaii schools. Maybe the University of Mexico in Mexico City. Get some serious soccer babes into the program. Add boxing. How about Moscow University, they ought to bring in some pretty good hockey.

AState is opening a campus in Mexico. We will push for A-State Queretaro.

WhY!? Just so you can close down their football 25 years later?!?!?

Too soon?

You guys realize the mexican campus is a bust right. It's 30 mins outside a city without electricty or water and they are seriously thinking about scrapping it because of the lack of infrastructure.

(12-10-2014 01:09 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  You guys realize the mexican campus is a bust right. It's 30 mins outside a city without electricty or water and they are seriously thinking about scrapping it because of the lack of infrastructure.

Why? It worked with Georgia Southern.

Jim Tressel sees FBS as a major goal of Youngstown St. Will the Sun Belt Presidents be able to resist a big time coach and a big time former coach/President knocking on the door? Pelini would give the Sun Belt major publicity. Youngstown St would be a closer replacement for Idaho.

EKU comes aboard next.
JMU and Mo St still pine about wanting CUSA.
Idaho gets its walking paper in the summer of 2015, as ithe Sun Belt got what they wanted out of them: time to regroup can get back to 12.
NMSU oogles the Sun Belt, but the Sun Belt plays hard to get.
The Sun Belt still needs someone else.
Liberty, Lamar, and Sam Houston have been rejected.
If CUSA replaces UAB, and the Big 12 expands, the Sun Belt will be under siege again with dominos (Big 12-->AAC--->CUSA-->Sun Belt)
The Sun Belt simply can't only add EKU, as it needs more teams.
Youngstown St hasn't been rejected, and with EKU, its closer to the footprint than UMass or Idaho or even NMSU.
Pelini and Tressel will be too much for the Sun Belt Presidents to resist.

(12-10-2014 04:24 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Jim Tressel sees FBS as a major goal of Youngstown St. Will the Sun Belt Presidents be able to resist a big time coach and a big time former coach/President knocking on the door? Pelini would give the Sun Belt major publicity. Youngstown St would be a closer replacement for Idaho.

EKU comes aboard next.
JMU and Mo St still pine about wanting CUSA.
Idaho gets its walking paper in the summer of 2015.
NMSU oogles the Sun Belt, but the Sun Belt plays hard to get.
The Sun Belt still needs someone else.
Liberty, Lamar, and Sam Houston have been rejected.
Youngstown St hasn't been, and with EKU, its closer to the footprint.

Pelini and Tressel will be too much for the Sun Belt Presidents to resist.

When its located in Ohio? Yes

Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

Then don't preface your argument, can the sunbelt resist a program with a big name coach... I won't say it would never happen, but if it ever did... It won't be because of Bo Pellini.

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

We've been over this with you. When NMSU and Idaho were added, they were a means to get us 12 football and 12 basketball programs. WKU left a few weeks later.

Right now, we have a need to get back to 12 football and 12 basketball, but having listened to several leagues presidents talk, no one is going to accept a non basketball member. If we would have, we would have added UMass last year.

You've gone from being convinced North Dakota was heading to the Sun Belt to Youngstown State in a few weeks

We don't have to add anyone if we don't want to. Even if CUSA takes one, we're at 10, which works a lot better Math wise than 11 does.

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

Kinky Karl has an Idaho fetish

(12-10-2014 05:31 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

Kinky Karl has an Idaho fetish

Funny how Wright Waters had one too.

(12-10-2014 05:33 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:31 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

Kinky Karl has an Idaho fetish

Funny how Wright Waters had one too.

It is

(12-10-2014 05:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

We've been over this with you. When NMSU and Idaho were added, they were a means to get us 12 football and 12 basketball programs. WKU left a few weeks later.

Right now, we have a need to get back to 12 football and 12 basketball, but having listened to several leagues presidents talk, no one is going to accept a non basketball member. If we would have, we would have added UMass last year.

You've gone from being convinced North Dakota was heading to the Sun Belt to Youngstown State in a few weeks

We don't have to add anyone if we don't want to. Even if CUSA takes one, we're at 10, which works a lot better Math wise than 11 does.

If CUSA takes two, you at only 7 full members, which doesn't constitute an FBS league according to NCAA rules. Youngstown St doesn't help you to get to 8 full members, but its a heck of a lot cheaper to get their for eastern teams than Idaho. If you take EKU and lose Ark St and LaLa, you're conference footprint would be moving north toward Youngstown St.

Worst case if CUSA takes three, or even four. The Sun Belt can't endure that without taking EKU, Liberty, and someone else. No way could you jettison Idaho. Jim Tressel might even be willing to become a full member, as he values FBS so much.

(12-10-2014 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

We've been over this with you. When NMSU and Idaho were added, they were a means to get us 12 football and 12 basketball programs. WKU left a few weeks later.

Right now, we have a need to get back to 12 football and 12 basketball, but having listened to several leagues presidents talk, no one is going to accept a non basketball member. If we would have, we would have added UMass last year.

You've gone from being convinced North Dakota was heading to the Sun Belt to Youngstown State in a few weeks

We don't have to add anyone if we don't want to. Even if CUSA takes one, we're at 10, which works a lot better Math wise than 11 does.

If CUSA takes two, you at only 7 full members, which doesn't constitute an FBS league according to NCAA rules. Youngstown St doesn't help you to get to 8 full members, but its a heck of a lot cheaper to get their for eastern teams than Idaho. If you take EKU and lose Ark St and LaLa, you're conference footprint would be moving north toward Youngstown St.

Your math stinks man. If we lose two to CUSA, we'll be a 9 full members.

The NCAA considers UALR and UTA as full members of the Sun Belt. We would have 9 football with the two affiliate members and 9 full members. Then you have the whole thing is CUSA isn't taking Arkansas State, and they have no need to take two to go to what? 15.

(12-10-2014 05:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:23 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  You're reaching

SBC will never take an affiliate member. Not enough votes from the basketball side of the league.

What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

We've been over this with you. When NMSU and Idaho were added, they were a means to get us 12 football and 12 basketball programs. WKU left a few weeks later.

Right now, we have a need to get back to 12 football and 12 basketball, but having listened to several leagues presidents talk, no one is going to accept a non basketball member. If we would have, we would have added UMass last year.

You've gone from being convinced North Dakota was heading to the Sun Belt to Youngstown State in a few weeks

We don't have to add anyone if we don't want to. Even if CUSA takes one, we're at 10, which works a lot better Math wise than 11 does.

If CUSA takes two, you at only 7 full members, which doesn't constitute an FBS league according to NCAA rules. Youngstown St doesn't help you to get to 8 full members, but its a heck of a lot cheaper to get their for eastern teams than Idaho. If you take EKU and lose Ark St and LaLa, you're conference footprint would be moving north toward Youngstown St.

Your math stinks man. If we lose two to CUSA, we'll be a 9 full members.

The NCAA considers UALR and UTA as full members of the Sun Belt. We would have 9 football with the two affiliate members and 9 full members. Then you have the whole thing is CUSA isn't taking Arkansas State, and they have no need to take two to go to what? 15.

The Sun Belt would survive as a conference, but not an FBS conference. UALR and UTA do not count for the FBS conference part, only for the BB autobids. Its a whole different ballgame, bud.

(12-10-2014 05:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:27 PM)NoDak Wrote:  What is NMSU and Idaho doing in the league then?

The SBC could see another squeeze on membership numbers. They may be forced to make a move that is not a natural fit for them, like they did when Idaho was extended a hand (for the second time).

We've been over this with you. When NMSU and Idaho were added, they were a means to get us 12 football and 12 basketball programs. WKU left a few weeks later.

Right now, we have a need to get back to 12 football and 12 basketball, but having listened to several leagues presidents talk, no one is going to accept a non basketball member. If we would have, we would have added UMass last year.

You've gone from being convinced North Dakota was heading to the Sun Belt to Youngstown State in a few weeks

We don't have to add anyone if we don't want to. Even if CUSA takes one, we're at 10, which works a lot better Math wise than 11 does.

If CUSA takes two, you at only 7 full members, which doesn't constitute an FBS league according to NCAA rules. Youngstown St doesn't help you to get to 8 full members, but its a heck of a lot cheaper to get their for eastern teams than Idaho. If you take EKU and lose Ark St and LaLa, you're conference footprint would be moving north toward Youngstown St.

Your math stinks man. If we lose two to CUSA, we'll be a 9 full members.

The NCAA considers UALR and UTA as full members of the Sun Belt. We would have 9 football with the two affiliate members and 9 full members. Then you have the whole thing is CUSA isn't taking Arkansas State, and they have no need to take two to go to what? 15.

The Sun Belt would survive as a conference, but not an FBS conference. UALR and UTA do not count for the FBS conference part, only for the BB autobids. Its a whole different ballgame, bud.

No...Try again.

The NCAA requires 8 FULL Conference members to be considered a viable league. The NCAA does not care which sports those schools sponsor, only that they sponsor the Conference minimum of sports to be considered a full member. Both UTA and UALR fill that.

To Be considered a football league We must have 8 FOOTBALL Members. The NCAA does not care how many of those members are affiliate and how many are full, but there must be 8 football teams. FYI, the only FBS Specific requirement is that those schools must be full FBS Members. Of which all of our teams will be as of July 1st 2015.

We fill both requirements. Now, in the strange scenario where we lost two, we would certainly add someone, but I can certainly tell you that team will not be Youngstown State. But we would not HAVE to add someone.

(12-10-2014 05:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  We've been over this with you. When NMSU and Idaho were added, they were a means to get us 12 football and 12 basketball programs. WKU left a few weeks later.

Right now, we have a need to get back to 12 football and 12 basketball, but having listened to several leagues presidents talk, no one is going to accept a non basketball member. If we would have, we would have added UMass last year.

You've gone from being convinced North Dakota was heading to the Sun Belt to Youngstown State in a few weeks

We don't have to add anyone if we don't want to. Even if CUSA takes one, we're at 10, which works a lot better Math wise than 11 does.

If CUSA takes two, you at only 7 full members, which doesn't constitute an FBS league according to NCAA rules. Youngstown St doesn't help you to get to 8 full members, but its a heck of a lot cheaper to get their for eastern teams than Idaho. If you take EKU and lose Ark St and LaLa, you're conference footprint would be moving north toward Youngstown St.

Your math stinks man. If we lose two to CUSA, we'll be a 9 full members.

The NCAA considers UALR and UTA as full members of the Sun Belt. We would have 9 football with the two affiliate members and 9 full members. Then you have the whole thing is CUSA isn't taking Arkansas State, and they have no need to take two to go to what? 15.

The Sun Belt would survive as a conference, but not an FBS conference. UALR and UTA do not count for the FBS conference part, only for the BB autobids. Its a whole different ballgame, bud.

No...Try again.

The NCAA requires 8 FULL Conference members to be considered a viable league. The NCAA does not care which sports those schools sponsor, only that they sponsor the Conference minimum of sports to be considered a full member. Both UTA and UALR fill that.

To Be considered an FBS League. We must have 8 FOOTBALL Members. The NCAA does not care how many of those members are affiliate and how many are full, but there must be 8 football teams.

We fill both requirements. Now, in the strange scenario where we lost two, we would certainly add someone, but I can certainly tell you that team will not be Youngstown State. But we would not HAVE to add someone.

To be an NCAA DI conference is one set of rules. Only seven full members are required, but none can be transitioning from DII. The WAC is barely surviving.
To be an NCAA FBS conference is another set of rules on top of that. Eight FBS schools are required, and affiliates in FB or non-FB schools don't count. Look it up.
An FBS school in transition counts, so that is why the Sun Belt retained FBS status when Appy and Ga So were invited.
Idaho and NMSU bought the Sun Belt scheduling leverage,, otherwise it would have been difficult to get Appy St and Ga So transitioned.