(12-10-2014 05:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  If CUSA takes two, you at only 7 full members, which doesn't constitute an FBS league according to NCAA rules. Youngstown St doesn't help you to get to 8 full members, but its a heck of a lot cheaper to get their for eastern teams than Idaho. If you take EKU and lose Ark St and LaLa, you're conference footprint would be moving north toward Youngstown St.

Your math stinks man. If we lose two to CUSA, we'll be a 9 full members.

The NCAA considers UALR and UTA as full members of the Sun Belt. We would have 9 football with the two affiliate members and 9 full members. Then you have the whole thing is CUSA isn't taking Arkansas State, and they have no need to take two to go to what? 15.

The Sun Belt would survive as a conference, but not an FBS conference. UALR and UTA do not count for the FBS conference part, only for the BB autobids. Its a whole different ballgame, bud.

No...Try again.

The NCAA requires 8 FULL Conference members to be considered a viable league. The NCAA does not care which sports those schools sponsor, only that they sponsor the Conference minimum of sports to be considered a full member. Both UTA and UALR fill that.

To Be considered an FBS League. We must have 8 FOOTBALL Members. The NCAA does not care how many of those members are affiliate and how many are full, but there must be 8 football teams.

We fill both requirements. Now, in the strange scenario where we lost two, we would certainly add someone, but I can certainly tell you that team will not be Youngstown State. But we would not HAVE to add someone.

To be an NCAA DI conference is one set of rules.
To be an NCAA FBS conference is another set of rules on top of that. Eight FBS schools are required, and affiliates in FB or non-FB schools don't count. Look it up.
An FBS school in transition counts, so that is why the Sun Belt retained FBS status when Appy and Ga So were invited.

And you still haven't read that rule correctly.

Idaho and NMSU are considered FULL FBS Members. They are Division I programs who sponsor 85 football scholarships. That makes them a full FBS member.

A Conference is not defined by whether or not it is FBS. It is defined by full membership.

FBS Football requires a conference sponsor 8 FBS Football members. The Sun Belt has 11 FBS football members. If two drop, we have 9. For the SBC to be viable, we must have 8 football playing members.

If the Sun Belt wanted to make football a separate entity...and sponsor 9 FBS Football members and none of them with all sports Membership...we could. It would be only considered a conference for football purposes, bit it would be a conference.

(12-10-2014 06:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:39 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Your math stinks man. If we lose two to CUSA, we'll be a 9 full members.

The NCAA considers UALR and UTA as full members of the Sun Belt. We would have 9 football with the two affiliate members and 9 full members. Then you have the whole thing is CUSA isn't taking Arkansas State, and they have no need to take two to go to what? 15.

The Sun Belt would survive as a conference, but not an FBS conference. UALR and UTA do not count for the FBS conference part, only for the BB autobids. Its a whole different ballgame, bud.

No...Try again.

The NCAA requires 8 FULL Conference members to be considered a viable league. The NCAA does not care which sports those schools sponsor, only that they sponsor the Conference minimum of sports to be considered a full member. Both UTA and UALR fill that.

To Be considered an FBS League. We must have 8 FOOTBALL Members. The NCAA does not care how many of those members are affiliate and how many are full, but there must be 8 football teams.

We fill both requirements. Now, in the strange scenario where we lost two, we would certainly add someone, but I can certainly tell you that team will not be Youngstown State. But we would not HAVE to add someone.

To be an NCAA DI conference is one set of rules.
To be an NCAA FBS conference is another set of rules on top of that. Eight FBS schools are required, and affiliates in FB or non-FB schools don't count. Look it up.
An FBS school in transition counts, so that is why the Sun Belt retained FBS status when Appy and Ga So were invited.

And you still haven't read that rule correctly.

Idaho and NMSU are considered FULL FBS Members. They are Division I programs who sponsor 85 football scholarships. That makes them a full FBS member.

A Conference is not defined by whether or not it is FBS. It is defined by full membership.

FBS Football requires a conference sponsor 8 FBS Football members. The Sun Belt has 11 FBS football members. If two drop, we have 9. For the SBC to be viable, we must have 8 football playing members.

If the Sun Belt wanted to make football a separate entity...and sponsor 9 FBS Football members and none of them with all sports Membership...we could. It would be only considered a conference for football purposes, bit it would be a conference.

Idaho and NMSU are FBS members in good standing, but not full Sun Belt members. There is a difference, and the NCAA cares. The Sun Belt only has 9 FBS or FBS transitioning members that matter to the NCAA with respect to maintaining FBS status. The SBC can choose to make NMSU or Idaho full members, but they haven't done so. The CFP recognizes NMSU and Idaho as SBC members for the payout, but that is an entirely different issue.

FBS members cannot affiliate willy nilly and get a FBS conference started. USC, Notre Dame, Alabama etc can not start a conference and be recognized by the NCAA until they have been together seven consecutive years. Only then can they petition the NCAA to recognize the conference, and only then have them declared an official FBS conference.

(12-10-2014 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Sun Belt would survive as a conference, but not an FBS conference. UALR and UTA do not count for the FBS conference part, only for the BB autobids. Its a whole different ballgame, bud.

No...Try again.

The NCAA requires 8 FULL Conference members to be considered a viable league. The NCAA does not care which sports those schools sponsor, only that they sponsor the Conference minimum of sports to be considered a full member. Both UTA and UALR fill that.

To Be considered an FBS League. We must have 8 FOOTBALL Members. The NCAA does not care how many of those members are affiliate and how many are full, but there must be 8 football teams.

We fill both requirements. Now, in the strange scenario where we lost two, we would certainly add someone, but I can certainly tell you that team will not be Youngstown State. But we would not HAVE to add someone.

To be an NCAA DI conference is one set of rules.
To be an NCAA FBS conference is another set of rules on top of that. Eight FBS schools are required, and affiliates in FB or non-FB schools don't count. Look it up.
An FBS school in transition counts, so that is why the Sun Belt retained FBS status when Appy and Ga So were invited.

And you still haven't read that rule correctly.

Idaho and NMSU are considered FULL FBS Members. They are Division I programs who sponsor 85 football scholarships. That makes them a full FBS member.

A Conference is not defined by whether or not it is FBS. It is defined by full membership.

FBS Football requires a conference sponsor 8 FBS Football members. The Sun Belt has 11 FBS football members. If two drop, we have 9. For the SBC to be viable, we must have 8 football playing members.

If the Sun Belt wanted to make football a separate entity...and sponsor 9 FBS Football members and none of them with all sports Membership...we could. It would be only considered a conference for football purposes, bit it would be a conference.

Idaho and NMSU are FBS members in good standing, but not full Sun Belt members. There is a difference, and the NCAA cares. The Sun Belt only has 9 FBS or FBS transitioning members that matter to the NCAA with respect to maintaining FBS status. The SBC can choose to make NMSU or Idaho full members, but they haven't done so. The CFP recognizes NMSU and Idaho as SBC members for the payout, but that is an entirely different issue.

FBS members cannot affiliate willy nilly and get a FBS conference started. USC, Notre Dame, Alabama etc can not start a conference and be recognized by the NCAA until they have been together seven consecutive years. Only then can they petition the NCAA to recognize the conference, and only then have them declared an official FBS conference.

You are right, the conference landscape is so stable that the presidents chose to stay in a position where if the big 12 jumps, the sunbekt crumbles... I'm sure that's exactly where they are comfortable being... I doubt they would have went to 12 and get a CCG and Insure the conference wouldnt dissipate.

(12-10-2014 06:19 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  No...Try again.

The NCAA requires 8 FULL Conference members to be considered a viable league. The NCAA does not care which sports those schools sponsor, only that they sponsor the Conference minimum of sports to be considered a full member. Both UTA and UALR fill that.

To Be considered an FBS League. We must have 8 FOOTBALL Members. The NCAA does not care how many of those members are affiliate and how many are full, but there must be 8 football teams.

We fill both requirements. Now, in the strange scenario where we lost two, we would certainly add someone, but I can certainly tell you that team will not be Youngstown State. But we would not HAVE to add someone.

To be an NCAA DI conference is one set of rules.
To be an NCAA FBS conference is another set of rules on top of that. Eight FBS schools are required, and affiliates in FB or non-FB schools don't count. Look it up.
An FBS school in transition counts, so that is why the Sun Belt retained FBS status when Appy and Ga So were invited.

And you still haven't read that rule correctly.

Idaho and NMSU are considered FULL FBS Members. They are Division I programs who sponsor 85 football scholarships. That makes them a full FBS member.

A Conference is not defined by whether or not it is FBS. It is defined by full membership.

FBS Football requires a conference sponsor 8 FBS Football members. The Sun Belt has 11 FBS football members. If two drop, we have 9. For the SBC to be viable, we must have 8 football playing members.

If the Sun Belt wanted to make football a separate entity...and sponsor 9 FBS Football members and none of them with all sports Membership...we could. It would be only considered a conference for football purposes, bit it would be a conference.

Idaho and NMSU are FBS members in good standing, but not full Sun Belt members. There is a difference, and the NCAA cares. The Sun Belt only has 9 FBS or FBS transitioning members that matter to the NCAA with respect to maintaining FBS status. The SBC can choose to make NMSU or Idaho full members, but they haven't done so. The CFP recognizes NMSU and Idaho as SBC members for the payout, but that is an entirely different issue.

FBS members cannot affiliate willy nilly and get a FBS conference started. USC, Notre Dame, Alabama etc can not start a conference and be recognized by the NCAA until they have been together seven consecutive years. Only then can they petition the NCAA to recognize the conference, and only then have them declared an official FBS conference.

You are right, the conference landscape is so stable that the presidents chose to stay in a position where if the big 12 jumps, the sunbekt crumbles... I'm sure that's exactly where they are comfortable being... I doubt they would have went to 12 and get a CCG and Insure the conference wouldnt dissipate.

Neither of you have any idea of the actual rule.

Sun Belt has little chance of ever crumbling. We'll always be able to backfill with the ever growing list of FCS teams ready to move up.

The only way the Sun Belt dies is if a whole bunch of current SBC teams get angry enough at Benson that they say screw it, and go form their own conference. While that's entirely possible, it would be the Sun Belt still...just under a new name.

(12-10-2014 06:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:19 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:51 PM)NoDak Wrote:  To be an NCAA DI conference is one set of rules.
To be an NCAA FBS conference is another set of rules on top of that. Eight FBS schools are required, and affiliates in FB or non-FB schools don't count. Look it up.
An FBS school in transition counts, so that is why the Sun Belt retained FBS status when Appy and Ga So were invited.

And you still haven't read that rule correctly.

Idaho and NMSU are considered FULL FBS Members. They are Division I programs who sponsor 85 football scholarships. That makes them a full FBS member.

A Conference is not defined by whether or not it is FBS. It is defined by full membership.

FBS Football requires a conference sponsor 8 FBS Football members. The Sun Belt has 11 FBS football members. If two drop, we have 9. For the SBC to be viable, we must have 8 football playing members.

If the Sun Belt wanted to make football a separate entity...and sponsor 9 FBS Football members and none of them with all sports Membership...we could. It would be only considered a conference for football purposes, bit it would be a conference.

Idaho and NMSU are FBS members in good standing, but not full Sun Belt members. There is a difference, and the NCAA cares. The Sun Belt only has 9 FBS or FBS transitioning members that matter to the NCAA with respect to maintaining FBS status. The SBC can choose to make NMSU or Idaho full members, but they haven't done so. The CFP recognizes NMSU and Idaho as SBC members for the payout, but that is an entirely different issue.

FBS members cannot affiliate willy nilly and get a FBS conference started. USC, Notre Dame, Alabama etc can not start a conference and be recognized by the NCAA until they have been together seven consecutive years. Only then can they petition the NCAA to recognize the conference, and only then have them declared an official FBS conference.

You are right, the conference landscape is so stable that the presidents chose to stay in a position where if the big 12 jumps, the sunbekt crumbles... I'm sure that's exactly where they are comfortable being... I doubt they would have went to 12 and get a CCG and Insure the conference wouldnt dissipate.

Neither of you have any idea of the actual rule.

Sun Belt has little chance of ever crumbling. We'll always be able to backfill with the ever growing list of FCS teams ready to move up.

The only way the Sun Belt dies is if a whole bunch of current SBC teams get angry enough at Benson that they say screw it, and go form their own conference. While that's entirely possible, it would be the Sun Belt still...just under a new name.

I'm sorry if you couldn't pick up on the sarcasm... I thought I laid it on extra thick, I agree with you. I was being a smart ass. My point was why would our preside ts sit idle if we were 1 move away from crumbling... Like he is suggesting.

(12-10-2014 06:42 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:19 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:15 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 06:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  And you still haven't read that rule correctly.

Idaho and NMSU are considered FULL FBS Members. They are Division I programs who sponsor 85 football scholarships. That makes them a full FBS member.

A Conference is not defined by whether or not it is FBS. It is defined by full membership.

FBS Football requires a conference sponsor 8 FBS Football members. The Sun Belt has 11 FBS football members. If two drop, we have 9. For the SBC to be viable, we must have 8 football playing members.

If the Sun Belt wanted to make football a separate entity...and sponsor 9 FBS Football members and none of them with all sports Membership...we could. It would be only considered a conference for football purposes, bit it would be a conference.

Idaho and NMSU are FBS members in good standing, but not full Sun Belt members. There is a difference, and the NCAA cares. The Sun Belt only has 9 FBS or FBS transitioning members that matter to the NCAA with respect to maintaining FBS status. The SBC can choose to make NMSU or Idaho full members, but they haven't done so. The CFP recognizes NMSU and Idaho as SBC members for the payout, but that is an entirely different issue.

FBS members cannot affiliate willy nilly and get a FBS conference started. USC, Notre Dame, Alabama etc can not start a conference and be recognized by the NCAA until they have been together seven consecutive years. Only then can they petition the NCAA to recognize the conference, and only then have them declared an official FBS conference.

You are right, the conference landscape is so stable that the presidents chose to stay in a position where if the big 12 jumps, the sunbekt crumbles... I'm sure that's exactly where they are comfortable being... I doubt they would have went to 12 and get a CCG and Insure the conference wouldnt dissipate.

Neither of you have any idea of the actual rule.

Sun Belt has little chance of ever crumbling. We'll always be able to backfill with the ever growing list of FCS teams ready to move up.

The only way the Sun Belt dies is if a whole bunch of current SBC teams get angry enough at Benson that they say screw it, and go form their own conference. While that's entirely possible, it would be the Sun Belt still...just under a new name.

I'm sorry if you couldn't pick up on the sarcasm... I thought I laid it on extra thick, I agree with you. I was being a smart ass

You wouldn't be the first Cajun to predict the SBC's demise.

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

I'm not advocating for YSU, but they are farther east than App State...

I'm okay with Youngstown State being considered if they have Bo Pelini and a real financial commitment to football. 4 national championships at the FCS level, second only to GS. Ohio isn't that far away and they have good talent in that state. Not the worst idea I've heard.

A truly nauseating thread. He11l let's do mickeyneese, lamar, nwst and Sam Houston state! The west could just bus to all their away games!

Z

(12-10-2014 11:24 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  A truly nauseating thread. He11l let's do mickeyneese, lamar, nwst and Sam Houston state! The west could just bus to all their away games!

Z

So melodramatic.

(12-10-2014 05:30 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 05:20 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 04:35 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  Why do people not understand conference affiliation isn't awarded to schools who have big name coaches? Is that really what you think the rest of our presidents are basing their vote of entry on? Really?

Youngstown St has a commitment to football, an FCS record that almost matches App St and Ga Southern, an FBS capacity stadium, an a rich recruiting area. YSU has a practice facility that is the envy of most FBS teams. YSU exceeds most FCS schools that the Sun Belt will be looking at, like EKU. Never suggested that YSU woujld be a full member, just an affiliate. Teams like Appy St or Ga St can actually bus to Youngstown, unlike Idaho or NMSU.

Then don't preface your argument, can the sunbelt resist a program with a big name coach... I won't say it would never happen, but if it ever did... It won't be because of Bo Pellini.

If big name coaches were a big factor wouldn't Turner Gill be a big plus for Liberty, which he has not as yet for the SBC? Have there be any rumblings, Carr reports, public statements of YS stating this intention? Sounds like a wishful fan?

Im thinking if the "Funk Belt" doesnt grab McNeese, Lamar SFA and Sam Houston, then they will have really missed out on some fine football, as well as some serious destination cities...I mean, spending the weekend in Lake Charles is a dream come true!!!

Z

(12-13-2014 07:24 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Im thinking if the "Funk Belt" doesnt grab McNeese, Lamar SFA and Sam Houston, then they will have really missed out on some fine football, as well as some serious destination cities...I mean, spending the weekend in Lake Charles is a dream come true!!!

Z

I do like the Mexico connection. The guacamole and margaritas are the best.

(12-13-2014 07:24 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Im thinking if the "Funk Belt" doesnt grab McNeese, Lamar SFA and Sam Houston, then they will have really missed out on some fine football, as well as some serious destination cities...I mean, spending the weekend in Lake Charles is a dream come true!!!

Z

If you remember stAte left the Southland when they added SFA and Sam Houston. Oh and Southwest Texas but we did stay in the SBC after they changed their name.

(12-13-2014 07:24 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Im thinking if the "Funk Belt" doesnt grab McNeese, Lamar SFA and Sam Houston, then they will have really missed out on some fine football, as well as some serious destination cities...I mean, spending the weekend in Lake Charles is a dream come true!!!

Z

Might be if you like casinos. Another one is going up there. We don't, but there are tons of people who make the Houston to Lake Charles run just for the casinos.

http://www.kplctv.com/story/19054997/new...n-underway

Here's a list of things to do including casinos that are already there or in the area. Plus Coushatta Casinos & Resort about 40 minutes away from Lake Charles.

http://www.visitlakecharles.org/

http://www.coushattacasinoresort.com/

If that doesn't float your boat, Gulf charter fishing might or driving a little east to the heart of Acadiana.

Heck, Lafayette is only 60 miles away. We really enjoyed the three years we lived there.

There are a few things to do in the Beaumont area other than refineries and chemical plants also.

http://www.beaumontcvb.com/
http://www.orangetexas.org/
http://www.visitportarthurtx.com/
http://www.nps.gov/bith/index.htm
http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/village-creek
http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/sea-rim

Sam Houston is just north of Houston. I heard the Woodlands has some activities.
http://www.woodlandsonline.com/cdps/entertainment.cfm

Or drive a little further into Houston. There's something for just about anybody there.

http://www.visithoustontexas.com/travel-tools/events/

(12-13-2014 09:47 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 07:24 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  Im thinking if the "Funk Belt" doesnt grab McNeese, Lamar SFA and Sam Houston, then they will have really missed out on some fine football, as well as some serious destination cities...I mean, spending the weekend in Lake Charles is a dream come true!!!

Z

Might be if you like casinos. Another one is going up there. We don't, but there are tons of people who make the Houston to Lake Charles run just for the casinos.

http://www.kplctv.com/story/19054997/new...n-underway

Here's a list of things to do including casinos that are already there or in the area. Plus Coushatta Casinos & Resort about 40 minutes away from Lake Charles.

http://www.visitlakecharles.org/

http://www.coushattacasinoresort.com/

If that doesn't float your boat, Gulf charter fishing might or driving a little east to the heart of Acadiana.

Heck, Lafayette is only 60 miles away. We really enjoyed the three years we lived there.

There are a few things to do in the Beaumont area other than refineries and chemical plants also.

http://www.beaumontcvb.com/
http://www.orangetexas.org/
http://www.visitportarthurtx.com/
http://www.nps.gov/bith/index.htm
http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/village-creek
http://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/sea-rim

Sam Houston is just north of Houston. I heard the Woodlands has some activities.
http://www.woodlandsonline.com/cdps/entertainment.cfm

Or drive a little further into Houston. There's something for just about anybody there.

http://www.visithoustontexas.com/travel-tools/events/

My man, I live in Lafayette. The place is a jewel in the middle of a vast wasteland full of crap.
My original post was tongue in cheek, just in case you didnt know.

Z

Quote:My man, I live in Lafayette. The place is a jewel in the middle of a vast wasteland full of crap.
My original post was tongue in cheek, just in case you didnt know.

Z

I took it as tongue in cheek. Just thought I'd provide some links for folks not familiar with the areas. There are locals who don't realize some of the opportunities. (I've found that just about everywhere I've lived...east coast, west coast, and several points in between.)

I was serious about liking Lafayette. There weren't many of us in the Lafayette office happy about the decision the company I worked for deciding to merge districts and move all the people who weren't in production to Houston. Houston turned out to not be too bad, but I sure do miss all the good food we got in Lafayette!!!! Miss all the good people we met in the area who we left behind, also.

On top of that, we were season ticket holders to Ragin' Cajun football and basketball also. We saw some pretty good games. We always found things to do either in the local area or a reasonable drive around the area...but ESPECIALLY THE FOOD.

I think Youngstown State has less of a chance to get into the Sun Belt than Liberty. So if the Sun Belt ever gets desperate enough that it needs members immediately or it will fold, then Liberty gets the call followed by YSU.

(12-13-2014 06:50 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Youngstown State has less of a chance to get into the Sun Belt than Liberty. So if the Sun Belt ever gets desperate enough that it needs members immediately or it will fold, then Liberty gets the call followed by YSU.

I would like to think that Benson would add someone if the conference would fold otherwise, but who the heck knows, he was the WAC commissioner after all.

I still think that we'll eventually bit the bullet and invite Liberty soon enough. We're just not going too while we don't have too.