(11-24-2014 10:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 10:27 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(11-23-2014 10:25 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  If and when ND is left out of a playoff situation, then and only then will they consider joining as full members.

Never say never but I kimd of doubt it...people been trying to get ND into a Conference for almost 40 years...JMO, as long as they have the NBC Deal or a Deal like that with another TV Network and they have a path to any Post Season Structure they will stay as is.

Maize, that has obviously been my mantra on these boards for years now.

There was a lot of talk about "forcing" ND to join the Big East back in 2003 and afterwards with some ultimatum of sorts.

Back around 2008-09, people speculated that NBC might not renew its contract with ND and that this would "force" ND into a football conference.

Lots of people thought that the playoffs would be champions only back in 2010-11 and that this would "force" ND into a football conference.

People also thought that the Big Ten would devour the ACC in 2012 and that this would "force" ND into joining the Big Ten full time.

After all of that, ND football is still not playing in a conference. I know that "never say never", but I don't see anything on the horizon that will cause ND to put its football program in any conference.

For the life of me, I don't see why it is such a big deal to other people. Each school should be able to decide its own direction. If being an independent in football is such an "unfair" advantage or position for ND, other schools are free to try to do it, too.

Agree...what people don't understand is that the SEC would NEVER agree to "Champions Only" Post Season Structure and even if NBC would not renew the ND TV Deal I would almost guarantee you that a CBS, TNT or Fox would give The Irish a simular deal.

If other schools can do what ND currently can do they would do it...

(11-22-2014 09:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 08:19 PM)green Wrote:  hey TerryD ...
fun is good ...
even if you're awful at it ...

A LIFE WORTH LIVING

Someday one of your posts will make sense.

But today is not that day.

Cards fans are great. I enjoy ND playing Louisville in basketball, baseball and now football.

But I am wondering why Miami fans run their mouths about anything?

TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

(11-24-2014 02:12 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 08:19 PM)green Wrote:  hey TerryD ...
fun is good ...
even if you're awful at it ...

A LIFE WORTH LIVING

Someday one of your posts will make sense.

But today is not that day.

Cards fans are great. I enjoy ND playing Louisville in basketball, baseball and now football.

But I am wondering why Miami fans run their mouths about anything?

TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

Sorry to misinterpret your cryptic post. Apologies.

No thanks, again, on the football conference "excitement".

It would have added nothing of any particular value to that game (or any other).

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

"One is the loneliest number..." - Three Dog Night.

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:12 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 08:19 PM)green Wrote:  hey TerryD ...
fun is good ...
even if you're awful at it ...

A LIFE WORTH LIVING

Someday one of your posts will make sense.

But today is not that day.

Cards fans are great. I enjoy ND playing Louisville in basketball, baseball and now football.

But I am wondering why Miami fans run their mouths about anything?

TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

Sorry to misinterpret your cryptic post. Apologies.

No thanks, again, on the football conference "excitement".

It would have added nothing of any particular value to that game (or any other).

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

laying it all on the line ...

BULLSH_T

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:12 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 08:19 PM)green Wrote:  hey TerryD ...
fun is good ...
even if you're awful at it ...

A LIFE WORTH LIVING

Someday one of your posts will make sense.

But today is not that day.

Cards fans are great. I enjoy ND playing Louisville in basketball, baseball and now football.

But I am wondering why Miami fans run their mouths about anything?

TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

Sorry to misinterpret your cryptic post. Apologies.

No thanks, again, on the football conference "excitement".

It would have added nothing of any particular value to that game (or any other).

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

laying it all on the line ...

BULLSH_T

Why the hell would have it? The objective is to win every damn game.

What would it matter if a bowl berth was involved? Would ND have "tried harder" or as Dave Wannstadt once said, "Run faster"?

No, it would have made no difference to ND or its fans. Sorry.

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:12 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 08:19 PM)green Wrote:  hey TerryD ...
fun is good ...
even if you're awful at it ...

A LIFE WORTH LIVING

Someday one of your posts will make sense.

But today is not that day.

Cards fans are great. I enjoy ND playing Louisville in basketball, baseball and now football.

But I am wondering why Miami fans run their mouths about anything?

TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

I'd argue that winning a conference championship in college football is one of the most exciting aspects in all of sports, short of winning a National Championship

(11-25-2014 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:12 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-22-2014 09:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Someday one of your posts will make sense.

But today is not that day.

Cards fans are great. I enjoy ND playing Louisville in basketball, baseball and now football.

But I am wondering why Miami fans run their mouths about anything?

TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

Sorry to misinterpret your cryptic post. Apologies.

No thanks, again, on the football conference "excitement".

It would have added nothing of any particular value to that game (or any other).

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

laying it all on the line ...

BULLSH_T

Why the hell would have it? The objective is to win every damn game.

What would it matter if a bowl berth was involved? Would ND have "tried harder" or as Dave Wannstadt once said, "Run faster"?

No, it would have made no difference to ND or its fans. Sorry.

the world has changed ...
the revised objective is to reach the playoff ...
and it's not just your run-of-the-mill bowl birth ...
OB is the home of the ACC champion ...
"Would ND have 'tried harder' or as Dave Wannstadt once said, 'Run faster'?"

OH YEAH

(11-25-2014 02:08 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 02:12 PM)green Wrote:  TerryD
my posts are like a work of art ...
viewed from different angles ...
may mean different things ...
an attempt to console was taken the wrong way ...
get a load of that ...
there's no shame losing to a worthy adversary in an exciting game ...
preferable to padding one's portfolio with a plodding patsy ...
what if an Orange Bowl birth were at stake as a full-fledged member ...
how would you feel then ...
extra excitement for sure ...
solitary in nature, think about all the fun you're missing out on ...

A MATTER OF INTERPRETATION

Sorry to misinterpret your cryptic post. Apologies.

No thanks, again, on the football conference "excitement".

It would have added nothing of any particular value to that game (or any other).

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

laying it all on the line ...

BULLSH_T

Why the hell would have it? The objective is to win every damn game.

What would it matter if a bowl berth was involved? Would ND have "tried harder" or as Dave Wannstadt once said, "Run faster"?

No, it would have made no difference to ND or its fans. Sorry.

the world has changed ...
the revised objective is to reach the playoff ...
and it's not just your run-of-the-mill bowl birth ...
OB is the home of the ACC champion ...
"Would ND have 'tried harder' or as Dave Wannstadt once said, 'Run faster'?"

OH YEAH

The Orange Bowl had/has nothing to do with the "objective is to reach the playoff"

So, your own statement refutes your premise.

ND already had three losses, so I would not want the Irish in the Orange Bowl as a three loss team, either as an independent or a conference champ.

I would take no solace or joy at winning a division title in the ACC with three losses, then beating FSU for an ACC conference title.

To me, ND would still be a three loss team, conference champ or not. Adding a conference championship to a three loss campaign still means its a three loss campaign.

All a conference championship is at that point is some sort of consolation prize.

ND fans and players are not interested in division or conference titles. They just are not.

(11-25-2014 02:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:08 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-24-2014 11:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Sorry to misinterpret your cryptic post. Apologies.

No thanks, again, on the football conference "excitement".

It would have added nothing of any particular value to that game (or any other).

I have no idea who won any conference last year (except FSU). It has never meant anything to me for over a half century. It still doesn't, sorry.

SINN FEIN ("Ourselves Alone")

laying it all on the line ...

BULLSH_T

Why the hell would have it? The objective is to win every damn game.

What would it matter if a bowl berth was involved? Would ND have "tried harder" or as Dave Wannstadt once said, "Run faster"?

No, it would have made no difference to ND or its fans. Sorry.

the world has changed ...
the revised objective is to reach the playoff ...
and it's not just your run-of-the-mill bowl birth ...
OB is the home of the ACC champion ...
"Would ND have 'tried harder' or as Dave Wannstadt once said, 'Run faster'?"

OH YEAH

The Orange Bowl had/has nothing to do with the "objective is to reach the playoff"

So, your own statement refutes your premise.

ND already had three losses, so I would not want the Irish in the Orange Bowl as a three loss team, either as an independent or a conference champ.

I would take no solace or joy at winning a division title in the ACC with three losses, then beating FSU for an ACC conference title.

To me, ND would still be a three loss team, conference champ or not. Adding a conference championship to a three loss campaign still means its a three loss campaign.

All a conference championship is at that point is some sort of consolation prize.

ND fans and players are not interested in division or conference titles. They just are not.

if it's national championship or bust ...
why not forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS

(11-25-2014 03:07 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:08 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:18 PM)green Wrote:  

laying it all on the line ...

BULLSH_T

Why the hell would have it? The objective is to win every damn game.

What would it matter if a bowl berth was involved? Would ND have "tried harder" or as Dave Wannstadt once said, "Run faster"?

No, it would have made no difference to ND or its fans. Sorry.

the world has changed ...
the revised objective is to reach the playoff ...
and it's not just your run-of-the-mill bowl birth ...
OB is the home of the ACC champion ...
"Would ND have 'tried harder' or as Dave Wannstadt once said, 'Run faster'?"

OH YEAH

The Orange Bowl had/has nothing to do with the "objective is to reach the playoff"

So, your own statement refutes your premise.

ND already had three losses, so I would not want the Irish in the Orange Bowl as a three loss team, either as an independent or a conference champ.

I would take no solace or joy at winning a division title in the ACC with three losses, then beating FSU for an ACC conference title.

To me, ND would still be a three loss team, conference champ or not. Adding a conference championship to a three loss campaign still means its a three loss campaign.

All a conference championship is at that point is some sort of consolation prize.

ND fans and players are not interested in division or conference titles. They just are not.

if it's national championship or bust ...
why not forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS

It has always been national championship or bust for ND for 127 years.

You act like this is something new for ND. It is not. It is their normal. One game at a time.

Beating Southern Cal next week (even with four losses) is worth more to me than a conference championship.

WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER

(11-25-2014 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:07 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:08 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 01:58 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Why the hell would have it? The objective is to win every damn game.

What would it matter if a bowl berth was involved? Would ND have "tried harder" or as Dave Wannstadt once said, "Run faster"?

No, it would have made no difference to ND or its fans. Sorry.

the world has changed ...
the revised objective is to reach the playoff ...
and it's not just your run-of-the-mill bowl birth ...
OB is the home of the ACC champion ...
"Would ND have 'tried harder' or as Dave Wannstadt once said, 'Run faster'?"

OH YEAH

The Orange Bowl had/has nothing to do with the "objective is to reach the playoff"

So, your own statement refutes your premise.

ND already had three losses, so I would not want the Irish in the Orange Bowl as a three loss team, either as an independent or a conference champ.

I would take no solace or joy at winning a division title in the ACC with three losses, then beating FSU for an ACC conference title.

To me, ND would still be a three loss team, conference champ or not. Adding a conference championship to a three loss campaign still means its a three loss campaign.

All a conference championship is at that point is some sort of consolation prize.

ND fans and players are not interested in division or conference titles. They just are not.

if it's national championship or bust ...
why not forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS

It has always been national championship or bust for ND for 127 years.

You act like this is something new for ND. It is not. It is their normal. One game at a time.

Beating Southern Cal next week (even with four losses) is worth more to me than a conference championship.

WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER

follow through ...
forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

WIN BIG OR GO HOME

(11-25-2014 04:13 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:07 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:08 PM)green Wrote:  the world has changed ...
the revised objective is to reach the playoff ...
and it's not just your run-of-the-mill bowl birth ...
OB is the home of the ACC champion ...
"Would ND have 'tried harder' or as Dave Wannstadt once said, 'Run faster'?"

OH YEAH

The Orange Bowl had/has nothing to do with the "objective is to reach the playoff"

So, your own statement refutes your premise.

ND already had three losses, so I would not want the Irish in the Orange Bowl as a three loss team, either as an independent or a conference champ.

I would take no solace or joy at winning a division title in the ACC with three losses, then beating FSU for an ACC conference title.

To me, ND would still be a three loss team, conference champ or not. Adding a conference championship to a three loss campaign still means its a three loss campaign.

All a conference championship is at that point is some sort of consolation prize.

ND fans and players are not interested in division or conference titles. They just are not.

if it's national championship or bust ...
why not forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS

It has always been national championship or bust for ND for 127 years.

You act like this is something new for ND. It is not. It is their normal. One game at a time.

Beating Southern Cal next week (even with four losses) is worth more to me than a conference championship.

WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER

follow through ...
forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

WIN BIG OR GO HOME

Miami is not eligible for either a national championship, the Orange Bowl/conference championship or a division championship.

By your criteria, Miami should also forfeit.

Conference membership is no more relevant to Miami right now than it is to ND.

(11-25-2014 05:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:13 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:07 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 02:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The Orange Bowl had/has nothing to do with the "objective is to reach the playoff"

So, your own statement refutes your premise.

ND already had three losses, so I would not want the Irish in the Orange Bowl as a three loss team, either as an independent or a conference champ.

I would take no solace or joy at winning a division title in the ACC with three losses, then beating FSU for an ACC conference title.

To me, ND would still be a three loss team, conference champ or not. Adding a conference championship to a three loss campaign still means its a three loss campaign.

All a conference championship is at that point is some sort of consolation prize.

ND fans and players are not interested in division or conference titles. They just are not.

if it's national championship or bust ...
why not forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS

It has always been national championship or bust for ND for 127 years.

You act like this is something new for ND. It is not. It is their normal. One game at a time.

Beating Southern Cal next week (even with four losses) is worth more to me than a conference championship.

WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER

follow through ...
forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

WIN BIG OR GO HOME

Miami is not eligible for either a national championship, the Orange Bowl/conference championship or a division championship.

By your criteria, Miami should also forfeit.

Conference membership is no more relevant to Miami right now than it is to ND.

don't change the subject ...
Miami is immaterial ...
you're the holdout ...
by your criteria, nd has nothing left to play for ...
if you had a shred of dignity - quit ...
holier-than-thou ...

PHONY-BALONEY

(11-25-2014 06:04 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 05:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:13 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 03:07 PM)green Wrote:  if it's national championship or bust ...
why not forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS

It has always been national championship or bust for ND for 127 years.

You act like this is something new for ND. It is not. It is their normal. One game at a time.

Beating Southern Cal next week (even with four losses) is worth more to me than a conference championship.

WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER

follow through ...
forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

WIN BIG OR GO HOME

Miami is not eligible for either a national championship, the Orange Bowl/conference championship or a division championship.

By your criteria, Miami should also forfeit.

Conference membership is no more relevant to Miami right now than it is to ND.

don't change the subject ...
Miami is immaterial ...
you're the holdout ...
by your criteria, nd has nothing left to play for ...
if you had a shred of dignity - quit ...
holier-than-thou ...

PHONY-BALONEY

You changed my responses. I said that beating Southern Cal was more important to me than any division or conference championship.

I also told you that ND's goals were the same in 2014 as in 1994, 1974 and 1944.

No conference or division championships have ever been in that calculus since ND began playing football in 1887.

This year is no different than the 126 prior ones.

TWISTED SISTER

LOL at the final tag lines in this tête–à–tête!

Sooooooooo what are we talking about again.?

(11-26-2014 07:50 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 06:04 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 05:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:13 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:02 PM)TerryD Wrote:  It has always been national championship or bust for ND for 127 years.

You act like this is something new for ND. It is not. It is their normal. One game at a time.

Beating Southern Cal next week (even with four losses) is worth more to me than a conference championship.

WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER

follow through ...
forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

WIN BIG OR GO HOME

Miami is not eligible for either a national championship, the Orange Bowl/conference championship or a division championship.

By your criteria, Miami should also forfeit.

Conference membership is no more relevant to Miami right now than it is to ND.

don't change the subject ...
Miami is immaterial ...
you're the holdout ...
by your criteria, nd has nothing left to play for ...
if you had a shred of dignity - quit ...
holier-than-thou ...

PHONY-BALONEY

You changed my responses. I said that beating Southern Cal was more important to me than any division or conference championship.

I also told you that ND's goals were the same in 2014 as in 1994, 1974 and 1944.

No conference or division championships have ever been in that calculus since ND began playing football in 1887.

This year is no different than the 126 prior ones.

TWISTED SISTER

this is a straw man argument ...
my original proposition ...
winner-take-all: an orange bowl birth on the line as full-fledged member would undoubtedly generate extra excitement except for a stick-in-the-mud like yourself ...
however, you replaced it with a different proposition ...
which generates more excitement: a rivalry game or play-in game/conference championship ...
gotta get up pretty early to pull one over on me ...

POT CALLING KETTLE GREEN

(11-26-2014 02:57 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:50 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 06:04 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 05:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(11-25-2014 04:13 PM)green Wrote:  follow through ...
forfeit the balance of your schedule ...

WIN BIG OR GO HOME

Miami is not eligible for either a national championship, the Orange Bowl/conference championship or a division championship.

By your criteria, Miami should also forfeit.

Conference membership is no more relevant to Miami right now than it is to ND.

don't change the subject ...
Miami is immaterial ...
you're the holdout ...
by your criteria, nd has nothing left to play for ...
if you had a shred of dignity - quit ...
holier-than-thou ...

PHONY-BALONEY

You changed my responses. I said that beating Southern Cal was more important to me than any division or conference championship.

I also told you that ND's goals were the same in 2014 as in 1994, 1974 and 1944.

No conference or division championships have ever been in that calculus since ND began playing football in 1887.

This year is no different than the 126 prior ones.

TWISTED SISTER

this is a straw man argument ...
my original proposition ...
winner-take-all: an orange bowl birth on the line as full-fledged member would undoubtedly generate extra excitement except for a stick-in-the-mud like yourself ...
however, you replaced it with a different proposition ...
which generates more excitement: a rivalry game or play-in game/conference championship ...
gotta get up pretty early to pull one over on me ...

POT CALLING KETTLE GREEN

You began calling for ND to forfeit its remaining games. (Implying that ND has nothing to play for since it is not in a conference).

I replied by saying that beating Southern Cal would make ND fans happier than winning a conference.

I was responding to you changing your original proposition to one that called for ND to forfeit its remaining schedule.

You did the original sleight of hand with the deck of cards, not me.

DEAD MAN'S HAND

Game replay is on now on channel 1105 of AT&T Uverse, if anyone is interested.