I would put the odds of ECU getting into the B12 at even smaller than getting into the AAC.

The B12 was willing to reach out for a program of WVU's caliber despite the geography so UConn is probably ahead of ECU for the B12 sweepstakes as Cincinnati and UCF of course are. Memphis also brings a lot more to the table to the B12 and Tulane has academics and local the Sugar Bowl.

My guess is that WVU will flip to either the ACC or B1G in about 10 years and then from that point the B12 becomes more interested in moving West, taking in programs like Colorado State and BYU who will never get PAC invites.

(09-26-2014 03:23 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  No matter how great ECU is in football, it is not a serious university. The ACC made a mistake in taking Louisville -- over UConn -- and do not be surprised if UVA, Duke and Wake Forest leave someday so they can hang out with better quality schools.

it seems to me that UVa,Duke and Wake are in pretty solid academic company now

(09-26-2014 08:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would put the odds of ECU getting into the B12 at even smaller than getting into the AAC.

The B12 was willing to reach out for a program of WVU's caliber despite the geography so UConn is probably ahead of ECU for the B12 sweepstakes as Cincinnati and UCF of course are. Memphis also brings a lot more to the table to the B12 and Tulane has academics and local the Sugar Bowl.

Remember, ECU is so far down the totem poll that they couldn't even get an AAC invite until after about 5 other schools were invited. They are light-years from being of interest to any P5, ditto Memphis.

The day the Big 12 is interested in the likes of ECU or Memphis is the day when the conference has sunk so low that it probably wouldn't be worth it for even those schools to join.

It truly is a case of "I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me".

(09-26-2014 06:30 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If I could create a wishlist for the ACC, this would probably be it:

Texas (FB or non FB)
West Virginia (ACC could use great fans)
Cincinnati (Nice market addition)
UConn (Tier I basketball)
Central Florida (Won the Fiesta Bowl, Huge Market)

East Carolina would be next in line after that list which is a pretty long list of candidates for the ACC to go through for a conference that has only lost 2 schools in its history (Maryland and South Carolina).

The reality for ECU is they struggled just to get into the AAC and had a hard time getting into CUSA before that. The AAC is the best conference ECU has ever played in so I think Pirate fans should be thankful about getting the upgrade and not stuck in CUSA with UAB and So. Miss.

CUSA 1.5 when we got in for all sports was pretty damn good and arguably better than the AAC as it sits. CUSA 2.0 after the big BE raid was a shell of its former glory.

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ECU to the ACC is a political impossibility. The rest of the ACC would not want a 5 school block in NC. The NC schools would not want their market divided 5 ways.

(09-26-2014 10:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would put the odds of ECU getting into the B12 at even smaller than getting into the AAC.

The B12 was willing to reach out for a program of WVU's caliber despite the geography so UConn is probably ahead of ECU for the B12 sweepstakes as Cincinnati and UCF of course are. Memphis also brings a lot more to the table to the B12 and Tulane has academics and local the Sugar Bowl.

Remember, ECU is so far down the totem poll that they couldn't even get an AAC invite until after about 5 other schools were invited. They are light-years from being of interest to any P5, ditto Memphis.

The day the Big 12 is interested in the likes of ECU or Memphis is the day when the conference has sunk so low that it probably wouldn't be worth it for even those schools to join.

It truly is a case of "I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me".

That's fine. Well just maul all the teams in the AAC and take it out on them.

(09-26-2014 11:22 AM)Indiana Bones Wrote:  I think that the point is that no one ever thought these triangle area writers would ever come around on ECU. Moreover, ECU can thrive notwithstanding the obvious intrinsic obstacles. The fan base and game day atmosphere, higher than anticipated tv viewership, continuity, and football pedigree are all more valuable commodities than many people acknowledge (and others just refuse to recognize it).

Yes, this is what is news here. It doesn't take much thought to reach the conclusion that ECU will never be in the ACC as long as they already control the North Carolina market. But this kind of press in Raleigh is new and it's good to see sportswriters echoing what Pirate fans have said all along. This is great for our perception.

(09-26-2014 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 11:58 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You mean the ACC has finally noticed that nobody in Boston, Miami, or Pittsburgh care about to to football games at those schools? Imagine that.

Sez the state flagship that averaged a whopping 3,169 more people per game last year.

The City of Pittsburgh has more people than the entire State of West Virginia. Yet Pitt's football attendance struggles to match half that of WVU. Nobody in Pittsburgh cares about the Panthers. For a perfect example, here's an excerpt from Barry Tramel's article about his trip to WVU for the WVU-Oklahoma game.

Quote:But think about that. Pitt-Iowa kicked off at noon. A decent college football game. Pittsburgh entered the game unbeaten. Iowa is a traditional Big Ten stronghold. These teams aren’t headed for the Sugar Bowl, but this is a far cry from OSU-Missouri State or OU-Louisiana Tech or Texas-North Texas. Pitt-Iowa was a competitive game in a football town.

And when we walked into a restaurant not 15 miles from the stadium, no one in the restaurant cared. The three TVs we could see were not tuned to Pitt-Iowa. A hostess flipped the television quickly, and we enjoyed a bunch of good food while watching the game. But that lunch showed me how tough a road Pitt has to carve out a footing in a city that loves its Steelers and is falling back in love with its baseball team.

http://newsok.com/west-virginia-travelbl...le/5344324

And WVU is averaging 3,169 more fans AFTER a 4-8 campaign. You were saying?

The City of Pittsburgh has a population of 305,841. The state of West Virginia has population of 1.85 million.

Pitt struggles to match "half of WVU"? You must mean struggled to match 93% of WVU's 2013 average attendance although Pitt was coming off its second straight 6-7 season, had just gone through four coaching hires in three years, and has had 30 straight years of mostly disappointing mediocrity in contrast to WVU which has just come off the best run in the entire history of its program.

And then you quote an article by some Sooner expecting some sort of Pitt viewing party at noon in a terrible Applebees-wannabe restaurant (that he thinks is "really good"!?!) located adjacent to an airport 15 miles outside the city as if it is some sort of valid vindication of your personal narrative? What I'm now "saying" is that I don't know who is more of a dumb ass, him or you.

I don't really care how you compare to WVU, it's kind of a joke to say anybody in Pittsburgh cares about Pitt. You literally have more yellow seats than people at every Pitt game I see. Pitt needs to build a smaller on campus stadium or something. They look like Tulane in the Superdome.

(09-27-2014 01:18 AM)CoogNellie Wrote:  I don't really care how you compare to WVU, it's kind of a joke to say anybody in Pittsburgh cares about Pitt.

Come on. Pitt averages well over 40k a game. Obviously, somebody in Pittsburgh cares about Pitt.

(09-26-2014 10:28 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 10:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 08:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I would put the odds of ECU getting into the B12 at even smaller than getting into the AAC.

The B12 was willing to reach out for a program of WVU's caliber despite the geography so UConn is probably ahead of ECU for the B12 sweepstakes as Cincinnati and UCF of course are. Memphis also brings a lot more to the table to the B12 and Tulane has academics and local the Sugar Bowl.

Remember, ECU is so far down the totem poll that they couldn't even get an AAC invite until after about 5 other schools were invited. They are light-years from being of interest to any P5, ditto Memphis.

The day the Big 12 is interested in the likes of ECU or Memphis is the day when the conference has sunk so low that it probably wouldn't be worth it for even those schools to join.

It truly is a case of "I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me".

That's fine. Well just maul all the teams in the AAC and take it out on them.

We'll see about that.

(09-26-2014 03:23 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  No matter how great ECU is in football, it is not a serious university. The ACC made a mistake in taking Louisville -- over UConn -- and do not be surprised if UVA, Duke and Wake Forest leave someday so they can hang out with better quality schools.

The ACC made the best decision they could in taking Louisville. It was the right choice and IMO would have been the end of the league if UConn was added instead. FSU and Clemson would be gone.

(09-27-2014 04:05 AM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 03:23 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  No matter how great ECU is in football, it is not a serious university. The ACC made a mistake in taking Louisville -- over UConn -- and do not be surprised if UVA, Duke and Wake Forest leave someday so they can hang out with better quality schools.

The ACC made the best decision they could in taking Louisville. It was the right choice and IMO would have been the end of the league if UConn was added instead. FSU and Clemson would be gone.

Louisville was the best football program available. They also have a great basketball program and add new territory to the ACC. UConn still lacks the tv contract money maker; a football program.

Well Connecticut the state doesn't lack money http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Coast_(Connecticut) However what it does lack is an interesting schedule and team for everyone to back up. As Madison Square Garden saw the state will back a winning team in a winning situation... Again you are comparing a City that is in an SEC controlled area to one of the richer states in the country.

Stupid thread. Beneath rebuttal. ECU is never, ever getting into the ACC and we have been over the reasons why approximately 10,000 times.

(09-26-2014 09:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You mean the ACC has finally noticed that nobody in Boston, Miami, or Pittsburgh care about to to football games at those schools? Imagine that.

No, it means that at least one sports writer has as rudimentary an understanding of how this all works as do many of the fans who follow the stuff. It is a little strange that someone who makes his living covering college football wouldn't understand where all that money comes from, but whatever.

There is a reason why the Big 12 invited PITT to join its league before it settled for West Virginia and why the ACC invited PITT instead of West Virginia. There's also a reason why PITT chose the ACC over the Big 12 and why West Virginia would follow suit if ever afforded that opportunity.

This article is just an attempt to cater to the locals. There is no chance the ACC considers ECU. I dont mean that as a slight on ECU, but there isnt anything they offer that the ACC doesnt already have.

IMO should the ACC ever expand it will be if/when ND becomes full member and they want #16. They would probably make a strategic move to fend off the B1G who is now in the northeast, by considering Cincy and UConn

1) ECU adds no new markets for TV.
2) While Louisville academics isn't stellar, and is CLEARLY the worst in the ACC, they are at least investing heavily in fixing that.
3) ECU is 5-5 all time against Duke.
4) ECU is 4-12-1 all time against UNC.
5) ECU is 12-16 all time against NC State
6) ECU is 1-6 all time against Wake Forest
7) ECU is 6-12 all time against VT
8) All non-NC schools from the 9-team league will be decidedly hesitant against creating a new NC mafia

Is ECU better than all 4 NC ACC schools right now? Sure. And so is most of the rest of FBS that is competing for a bowl game regardless of conference.

Is that historically the case? Absolutely not.
Does ECU add any monetary value? Absolutely not.
Does ECU add any recruiting turf? Absolutely not.
Does ECU have built-in widespread political objections? Absolutely. From WF/UNC/NCST for obvious reasons. From Clemson/GT/FSU for NC mafia reasons. From GT/UVA/UNC/Duke/Wake for academic reasons.


If it makes you feel any better, I'm not thrilled with having Louisville either. If I were King, Tennessee would have been my #1 target. After that Pedo State. WVU would be right up there if their fans and academics weren't so deplorable.

(09-27-2014 01:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  1) ECU adds no new markets for TV.
2) While Louisville academics isn't stellar, and is CLEARLY the worst in the ACC, they are at least investing heavily in fixing that.
3) ECU is 5-5 all time against Duke.
4) ECU is 4-12-1 all time against UNC.
5) ECU is 12-16 all time against NC State
6) ECU is 1-6 all time against Wake Forest
7) ECU is 6-12 all time against VT
8) All non-NC schools from the 9-team league will be decidedly hesitant against creating a new NC mafia

Is ECU better than all 4 NC ACC schools right now? Sure. And so is most of the rest of FBS that is competing for a bowl game regardless of conference.

Is that historically the case? Absolutely not.
Does ECU add any monetary value? Absolutely not.
Does ECU add any recruiting turf? Absolutely not.
Does ECU have built-in widespread political objections? Absolutely. From WF/UNC/NCST for obvious reasons. From Clemson/GT/FSU for NC mafia reasons. From GT/UVA/UNC/Duke/Wake for academic reasons.


If it makes you feel any better, I'm not thrilled with having Louisville either. If I were King, Tennessee would have been my #1 target. After that Pedo State. WVU would be right up there if their fans and academics weren't so deplorable.

I am trying to fathom the characteristics of a universe in which Tennessee would leave the SEC for the ACC. Non-Euclidean geometry for starters. Nine dimensions?

Of course, ECU has no chance of an ACC invite there either, lol.

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(09-26-2014 10:56 PM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 03:13 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 11:58 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 09:55 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  You mean the ACC has finally noticed that nobody in Boston, Miami, or Pittsburgh care about to to football games at those schools? Imagine that.

Sez the state flagship that averaged a whopping 3,169 more people per game last year.

The City of Pittsburgh has more people than the entire State of West Virginia. Yet Pitt's football attendance struggles to match half that of WVU. Nobody in Pittsburgh cares about the Panthers. For a perfect example, here's an excerpt from Barry Tramel's article about his trip to WVU for the WVU-Oklahoma game.

Quote:But think about that. Pitt-Iowa kicked off at noon. A decent college football game. Pittsburgh entered the game unbeaten. Iowa is a traditional Big Ten stronghold. These teams aren’t headed for the Sugar Bowl, but this is a far cry from OSU-Missouri State or OU-Louisiana Tech or Texas-North Texas. Pitt-Iowa was a competitive game in a football town.

And when we walked into a restaurant not 15 miles from the stadium, no one in the restaurant cared. The three TVs we could see were not tuned to Pitt-Iowa. A hostess flipped the television quickly, and we enjoyed a bunch of good food while watching the game. But that lunch showed me how tough a road Pitt has to carve out a footing in a city that loves its Steelers and is falling back in love with its baseball team.

http://newsok.com/west-virginia-travelbl...le/5344324

And WVU is averaging 3,169 more fans AFTER a 4-8 campaign. You were saying?

The City of Pittsburgh has a population of 305,841. The state of West Virginia has population of 1.85 million.

Pitt struggles to match "half of WVU"? You must mean struggled to match 93% of WVU's 2013 average attendance although Pitt was coming off its second straight 6-7 season, had just gone through four coaching hires in three years, and has had 30 straight years of mostly disappointing mediocrity in contrast to WVU which has just come off the best run in the entire history of its program.

And then you quote an article by some Sooner expecting some sort of Pitt viewing party at noon in a terrible Applebees-wannabe restaurant (that he thinks is "really good"!?!) located adjacent to an airport 15 miles outside the city as if it is some sort of valid vindication of your personal narrative? What I'm now "saying" is that I don't know who is more of a dumb ass, him or you.

And how many are in the metro area? That easily matches or beats West Virginia's population.

BTW, I took a peak at the crowd in the Pitt-Akron game your Panthers lost. There were literally 10s of people there. With crowds like that, Pitt will be matching WVU's attendance in no time.

(09-26-2014 04:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-26-2014 03:25 PM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  So they've had a year and a half of above average football and y'all think they should be in the ACC? lol

You should do some more research on ECU

132-112 b/t 1994 and 2013....69-58 b/t 2004 and 2013. Indie until 1996 and CUSA after that.

If you think that warrants a bump up to the ACC, then lol.