(09-14-2014 07:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I would not be surprised for a 12-0 BYU to make the playoff. I think the only 11-1, or 12-1 teams that would be able to jump them would be FSU, ND, Clemson, Michigan State, Oregon, Bama, Auburn, TAMU, Georgia, and perhaps Mizzou, however the one loss will have to be to a top 10 team. I don't see a two loss team from the even the SEC jumping a 12-0 BYU.

I will be very surprised if a 12-0 BYU makes the playoffs. Their schedule is weak and has no games where they can make a statement. IMO at least six SEC teams with one loss would trump them, for starters.

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It is officially the P4 after this weekend?

Bowling Green 45 Indiana 42

B10 owned by the B12

West Virginia 40 Maryland 37
Iowa State 20 Iowa 17
TCU 30 Minnesota 7

B10 owned by PAC 12

Washington 44 Illinois 19
Oregon 46 Michigan State 24
Cal 31 Northwestern 24


B10 owned by the MAC

Central Michigan 38 Purdue 17
Northern Illinois 23 Northwestern 15

and B10 owned by the ACC

Virginia Tech 35 Ohio state 21

How in the hell is OSU ranked and VT not? How is Nebraska ranked and East Carolina not? Wisconsin? The AP and USA polls are jokes.

(09-14-2014 08:11 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  It is officially the P4 after this weekend?

Bowling Green 45 Indiana 42

B10 owned by the B12

West Virginia 40 Maryland 37
Iowa State 20 Iowa 17
TCU 30 Minnesota 7

B10 owned by PAC 12

Washington 44 Illinois 19
Oregon 46 Michigan State 24
Cal 31 Northwestern 24
Rutgers 41, Washington St 38

B10 owned by the MAC

Central Michigan 38 Purdue 17
Northern Illinois 23 Northwestern 15

and B10 owned by the ACC

Virginia Tech 35 Ohio state 21

How in the hell is OSU ranked and VT not? How is Nebraska ranked and East Carolina not? Wisconsin? The AP and USA polls are jokes.

To be fair, the Pac-12 doesn't TOTALLY own the Big Ten. Even if Rutgers is only one year removed from the American Athletic Conference.

(09-14-2014 08:11 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  It is officially the P4 after this weekend?

Bowling Green 45 Indiana 42

B10 owned by the B12

West Virginia 40 Maryland 37
Iowa State 20 Iowa 17
TCU 30 Minnesota 7

B10 owned by PAC 12

Washington 44 Illinois 19
Oregon 46 Michigan State 24
Cal 31 Northwestern 24


B10 owned by the MAC

Central Michigan 38 Purdue 17
Northern Illinois 23 Northwestern 15

and B10 owned by the ACC

Virginia Tech 35 Ohio state 21

How in the hell is OSU ranked and VT not? How is Nebraska ranked and East Carolina not? Wisconsin? The AP and USA polls are jokes.

It isn't named the P5 based upon on field results. It is based upon money. I'm not surprised that little tidbit of reality passed right over your head. G5 teams have had great seasons and yet...they still remain G5.

Nice try, keep on hating.

The ACC has had years in recent memory as bad as the current Big Ten season.

The difference is? The Big Ten has a strong football reputation and is downright LOUSY this year.

As a PSU fan, every week I look at the Big Ten's schedule and hypothesize what needs to happen to get a positive bump for the week. (Like, Nebraska beating Miami this week...and Michigan beating Utah, for example.) And every week they do the OPPOSITE. It's insane how bad this league has been in the first three weeks. Even the bottom of the conference fails...UMD and Indiana both lost games on the final play that could have marginally helped the conference perception.

I'd like to meet a Big Ten fan right now who wants to argue that we're NOT the 5th best conference.

I have their solution. Members #15 and 16 - UCF and someone else from the South (Georgia Tech is my preference). UCF may be nowhere near the academic level of the B1G, but we can beat half their programs right now and curbstomp a couple of them (looking at you Rutgers). Go ahead and take a chance on that big, growing university in a big, growing, talent rich metro area and state. Just do it.

The important conferences don't have to take anybody that isn't an instant addition and contributor, and they won't.

They also have brands to protect.

(09-15-2014 11:20 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The important conferences don't have to take anybody that isn't an instant addition and contributor, and they won't.

They also have brands to protect.

Yes, the only way a P5 will ever take a school like UCF is if they are like the Big East in 2012, stripped for parts by other AQ conferences and absolutely desperate for a warm body with a pulse. Why give away $35 million a year if you don't have to?

And even then, UCF maybe doesn't get the call up.

It's not time to abandon ship - at least not yet. Every conference has it's ups and downs.

MSU still has a good shot at a playoff spot and O$U, PSU, Wisconsin and Michigan will certainly be bowl-eligible along with, I'm sure, a few others.

Delaney chose to expand the conference based on TV revenue and that's why you're where you are. You will all still make a boatload of money so be happy. Your football will get better - it just takes time.

An old friend says the key to success is the mob in the parking lot.

If the mob in the parking lot tailgating for games doesn't like the product and makes sure the AD, president, and board know, and they are willing to pony up, the school will make changes until they find what it takes quiet the mob.

(09-15-2014 01:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  An old friend says the key to success is the mob in the parking lot.

If the mob in the parking lot tailgating for games doesn't like the product and makes sure the AD, president, and board know, and they are willing to pony up, the school will make changes until they find what it takes quiet the mob.

There is a lot of truth in that, and I think the best examples of schools in the same conference are Alabama and Kentucky. At Kentucky, the 'mob' can tolerate 6-6 football teams but goes apeshit if the basketball team isn't a Final 4 contender. At Alabama, the mob can tolerate a 16-14 basketball team but goes apeshit if the football team isn't in the top 5 in November.

To a large extent, fans get what they demand, and schools like Alabama and USC are consistently better in football because they have huge fan bases that demand it.

There are some exceptions: Over the past 30 years, Miami and FSU, thanks to their geography and some great coaches, have been better than their fan bases. And Tennessee, thanks to bad coaching and poor administration, is worse than its fan base.

But usually, the correlation is high.

(09-15-2014 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 01:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  An old friend says the key to success is the mob in the parking lot.

If the mob in the parking lot tailgating for games doesn't like the product and makes sure the AD, president, and board know, and they are willing to pony up, the school will make changes until they find what it takes quiet the mob.

There is a lot of truth in that, and I think the best examples of schools in the same conference are Alabama and Kentucky. At Kentucky, the 'mob' can tolerate 6-6 football teams but goes apeshit if the basketball team isn't a Final 4 contender. At Alabama, the mob can tolerate a 16-14 basketball team but goes apeshit if the football team isn't in the top 5 in November.

To a large extent, fans get what they demand, and schools like Alabama and USC are consistently better in football because they have huge fan bases that demand it.

There are some exceptions: Over the past 30 years, Miami and FSU, thanks to their geography and some great coaches, have been better than their fan bases. And Tennessee, thanks to bad coaching and poor administration, is worse than its fan base.

But usually, the correlation is high.

I wouldn't put FSU and Miami in the same category. FSU can still get 80k even against weaker competition, while Miami can not.

Man even TCU is chiming in...

"I have no idea. We played Samford and then played a Big Ten team"

- Gary Patterson on whether their new Air Raid scheme has improved

(09-15-2014 02:48 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Man even TCU is chiming in...

"I have no idea. We played Samford and then played a Big Ten team"

- Gary Patterson on whether their new Air Raid scheme has improved

@EthanDenton76 2h
Here's how bad the Big Ten is: Gary Patterson feels that SMU will be a bigger challenge to his team than Minnesota was...

LOL

(09-15-2014 02:30 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 01:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-15-2014 01:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  An old friend says the key to success is the mob in the parking lot.

If the mob in the parking lot tailgating for games doesn't like the product and makes sure the AD, president, and board know, and they are willing to pony up, the school will make changes until they find what it takes quiet the mob.

There is a lot of truth in that, and I think the best examples of schools in the same conference are Alabama and Kentucky. At Kentucky, the 'mob' can tolerate 6-6 football teams but goes apeshit if the basketball team isn't a Final 4 contender. At Alabama, the mob can tolerate a 16-14 basketball team but goes apeshit if the football team isn't in the top 5 in November.

To a large extent, fans get what they demand, and schools like Alabama and USC are consistently better in football because they have huge fan bases that demand it.

There are some exceptions: Over the past 30 years, Miami and FSU, thanks to their geography and some great coaches, have been better than their fan bases. And Tennessee, thanks to bad coaching and poor administration, is worse than its fan base.

But usually, the correlation is high.

I wouldn't put FSU and Miami in the same category. FSU can still get 80k even against weaker competition, while Miami can not.

FSU clearly draws more many fans than Miami, but by "big time" standards their attendance is soft, and if the team isn't 10-0 there are about 10,000 to 15,000 fans who quickly fall away.

E.g., in 2012, a BCS bowl year, FSU averaged 75k, and in 2013, a national title year, they averaged slightly less than that, 92% capacity. The Florida Gators, who had a disastrous 2013, averaged 12k a game more.

FSU's attendance is often top 20, but given their extraordinary on-field success, it is clear they out-perform their fan base.

(09-15-2014 01:38 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  An old friend says the key to success is the mob in the parking lot.

If the mob in the parking lot tailgating for games doesn't like the product and makes sure the AD, president, and board know, and they are willing to pony up, the school will make changes until they find what it takes quiet the mob.

Yep.

(09-15-2014 02:48 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Man even TCU is chiming in...

"I have no idea. We played Samford and then played a Big Ten team"

- Gary Patterson on whether their new Air Raid scheme has improved

I love it. I hope more of this happens. Embarrassment is the only way the Titan will move forward. Otherwise they will just kick back and count up the money.

It is like the Chicago Cubs. They don't need to perform well. Their fans hand over the cash no matter what the results are AND they do not get lambasted in the National Press for it nor are their any other negative affects due to mediocre results.

As the sands begin to shift and move the balance for The Big Ten, they will have to start becoming proactive. They may have to lead the pack in terms of spending cash on coaching staffs and other methods of improving the overall product.

Gary remembers the little sisters of the poor comment

(09-15-2014 07:49 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Gary remembers the little sisters of the poor comment

I was wondering where that was coming from. It wasn't typical of Patterson.