In terms of the playoff, it is seeming to me that MSU and OSU need to win every game from hear on out and the winner between the two goes up against Wisky in the Conference Championship and beats an 11-1 Wisky. The West is looking so bad that I am not sure a 12-1 Wisky gets in. They would be depending upon there not being enough 1 loss teams to challenge their campaign to get in. A 12-1 MSU or OSU champion has the win over MSU/OSU and the Championship win over Wisky to show on their resume. A win over PSU may end up being respectable too, not sure.

I do think that the East will have to carry the conference this year. Hopefully Nebraska can get their **** together, we will see how they bounce back this week.

(09-13-2014 06:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  In terms of the playoff, it is seeming to me that MSU and OSU need to win every game from hear on out and the winner between the two goes up against Wisky in the Conference Championship and beats an 11-1 Wisky. The West is looking so bad that I am not sure a 12-1 Wisky gets in. They would be depending upon there not being enough 1 loss teams to challenge their campaign to get in. A 12-1 MSU or OSU champion has the win over MSU/OSU and the Championship win over Wisky to show on their resume. A win over PSU may end up being respectable too, not sure.

I do think that the East will have to carry the conference this year. Hopefully Nebraska can get their **** together, we will see how they bounce back this week.

Mark May ardently disagrees. LOL

I think that a 12-1 MSU or OSU has a chance and so does a 13-0 Nebraska.

As it stands now, the BIG 10 only two wins today are over the worst MAC schools and most likely a weak Fresno State squad.

(09-13-2014 06:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:39 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 05:54 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 05:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  So to review, 3 B1G teams have lost to MAC teams. (Indiana, Northwestern, Purdue)
Iowa lost to Iowa State, two weeks after Iowa State lost to North Dakota State.
Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech the week before VT lost to East Carolina.
Michigan and Michigan State and Wisconsin were embarrassed in big nonconference games.

Illinois losing to Washington and Maryland to West Virginia don't look that bad, UMd-WVU was close and Illinois losing to Chris PEtersen isn't exactly an upset. Minnesota is getting rolled by TCU, when neither one was expected to challenge for their conference title.

So the hopes of the Big Ten rest on Nebraska, Penn State and--Rutgers?

I guess somehow you knew that Iowa would lose to Iowa State in the future. LOL

And one of the PSU-Rutgers teams will go down tonight. Cancel each other out.

Most of the conferences look very close to each other.

What? No, I got home and looked at the scores. And Brett McMurphy tweeted about a third Big Ten team losing to a MAC team.

Are you looking at timestamps? Because I think those are Central time, not Eastern.

Iowa State isn't a MAC school.

I don't know. All I know is that when I read your post, Iowa didn't lose yet.

Mark May went on the record saying that the Big 10 is done. I still think MSU or Nebraska could sneak in.

The Big 10 is 1-9 vs. Power 5 teams.

They are 5-3 against the MAC and that easily could have been 4-4 or worse.

Iowa State isn't a MAC school, but BAll State is. I looked at the ESPN Big Ten scores to find out who had lost their MACrifice game, and it was Indiana. MEanwhile Iowa-Iowa State was Final, and I was pretty sure that Iowa State lost to NDSU (I checked just in case it was Kansas State).

It's possible that the Big Ten champion runs the table from here and makes the playoff, but they need help everywhere else in college football to get someone into the top 4.

Ball State lost to Indiana State and Indiana lost to Bowling Green.

The BIG 10, as it stands, does need help.

(09-13-2014 06:50 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  In terms of the playoff, it is seeming to me that MSU and OSU need to win every game from hear on out and the winner between the two goes up against Wisky in the Conference Championship and beats an 11-1 Wisky. The West is looking so bad that I am not sure a 12-1 Wisky gets in. They would be depending upon there not being enough 1 loss teams to challenge their campaign to get in. A 12-1 MSU or OSU champion has the win over MSU/OSU and the Championship win over Wisky to show on their resume. A win over PSU may end up being respectable too, not sure.

I do think that the East will have to carry the conference this year. Hopefully Nebraska can get their **** together, we will see how they bounce back this week.

Mark May ardently disagrees. LOL

I think that a 12-1 MSU or OSU has a chance and so does a 13-0 Nebraska.

As it stands now, the BIG 10 only two wins today are over the worst MAC schools and most likely a weak Fresno State squad.

If Nebraska could actually pull that off then the Wisconsin/Nebraska game should build up some value. It is still too early to tell but two weeks in a row of this bull**** is enough to do some permanent damage when it comes to perception.

At this point, The Big Ten as a whole will get what it deserves if it ends up on the outside looking in. They deserve all the **** talking that is going on about them.

Nebraska will have to play better than last week to stop the skid. I'm not sure they're entirely safe on the road at Fresno.

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The ACC has already had two ranked teams lose today. Once again....it's fuckin early in the season people. But by all means, continue to go full retard if you all want.

Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

(09-13-2014 08:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The ACC has already had two ranked teams lose today. Once again....it's fuckin early in the season people. But by all means, continue to go full retard if you all want.

Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Perception does have an effect, especially when colleges depend on recruiting to improve. Kids do not go to colleges because of tradition as in the past, but their perception of what school or conference will take them as far as helping them exposure, which does make a difference.

(09-13-2014 08:59 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 08:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The ACC has already had two ranked teams lose today. Once again....it's fuckin early in the season people. But by all means, continue to go full retard if you all want.

Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Perception does have an effect, especially when colleges depend on recruiting to improve. Kids do not go to colleges because of tradition as in the past, but their perception of what school or conference will take them as far as helping their exposure, which does make a difference.

(09-13-2014 08:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The ACC has already had two ranked teams lose today. Once again....it's fuckin early in the season people. But by all means, continue to go full retard if you all want.

Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Yeah and across the board the ACC teams all pulled their weight and one can see plenty of blowouts against non-ACC teams this week. Others pulled out close wins from behind which is also a good sign.

As you can probably guess, it is not easy for me to swallow this pill after advocating for the Big Ten on these boards but across the board the Big Ten is absolutely the weakest of the P5 this year.

One week can be an anomaly. Two weeks in a row? There is no excuse for being this piss poor at week 3.

(09-13-2014 09:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 08:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The ACC has already had two ranked teams lose today. Once again....it's fuckin early in the season people. But by all means, continue to go full retard if you all want.

Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Yeah and across the board the ACC teams all pulled their weight and one can see plenty of blowouts against non-ACC teams this week. Others pulled out close wins from behind which is also a good sign.

As you can probably guess, it is not easy for me to swallow this pill after advocating for the Big Ten on these boards but across the board the Big Ten is absolutely the weakest of the P5 this year.

One week can be an anomaly. Two weeks in a row? There is no excuse for being this piss poor at week 3.

Well if the score holds the Scarlet Knights could be the team to beat in the Eastern Division of the Big 10.

(09-13-2014 09:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 08:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 03:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The ACC has already had two ranked teams lose today. Once again....it's fuckin early in the season people. But by all means, continue to go full retard if you all want.

Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Yeah and across the board the ACC teams all pulled their weight and one can see plenty of blowouts against non-ACC teams this week. Others pulled out close wins from behind which is also a good sign.

As you can probably guess, it is not easy for me to swallow this pill after advocating for the Big Ten on these boards but across the board the Big Ten is absolutely the weakest of the P5 this year.

One week can be an anomaly. Two weeks in a row? There is no excuse for being this piss poor at week 3.

Classy post.

(09-13-2014 09:10 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 09:00 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 08:37 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:37 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-13-2014 06:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not entirely fair since one of them lost to another ACC team.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

It is fair, a ranked team in a conference losing to an unranked team in a conference is how a conference can harm itself. That is just how it is. VT may not fall out of the top 25 but Louisville likely will. Most of the time the W and L offset each other but when the unranked team beats the ranked team, it doesn't exactly cancel out.

With that said, I cant even defend the Big Ten. I wish MSU and Wisky played today but the rest of the conference may F them over. It is looking bad.

I agree that when a ranked team loses to an unranked conference foe it hurts the conference's chance to make the playoffs or access bowl. But it does not actually mean the conference is weaker than previously thought.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Yeah and across the board the ACC teams all pulled their weight and one can see plenty of blowouts against non-ACC teams this week. Others pulled out close wins from behind which is also a good sign.

As you can probably guess, it is not easy for me to swallow this pill after advocating for the Big Ten on these boards but across the board the Big Ten is absolutely the weakest of the P5 this year.

One week can be an anomaly. Two weeks in a row? There is no excuse for being this piss poor at week 3.

Well if the score holds the Scarlet Knights could be the team to beat in the Eastern Division of the Big 10.

Right now I am missing the Big Ten Network down here in Arizona. I really would have liked to have watched that game.

With ECUs win over Virginia Tech and South Carolina beating Georgia, the coffin has been sealed on the BIG Ten.

South Carolina beat ECU
ECU beat Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech beat Ohio State

South Carolina is above the #2 Big Ten team, Ohio State.
South Carolina is the #4 SEC team behind Auburn, Alabama and Texas A&M

Non SEC critical games to be played:


FSU/Clemson
FSU/Notre Dame
FSU/Louisville
FSU/Miami

Notre Dame/Stanford
Notre Dame/Louisville
Notre Dame/Southern California

Oregon/Southern Cal
Oregon/Stanford

Oklahoma/Baylor
Auburn/Kansas State
Nebraska/Miami

Note: The B12 will take a big hit if KSU gets beat down by Auburn this week. Oklahoma might get upset by West Virginia as well. OK and KSU have to come out swinging or the B12 will be out of the Playoffs as well. But it all maybe for naught if Nebraska falls to Miami.

Due to Georgia's loss it make the Playoff less controversial at the moment.

Florida State
Auburn
Oklahoma
Oregon

It looks like FSU, Oklahoma and Oregon have to run the table. With the SEC runner up and ND at #5 and #6, respectively.

Penn State would have to be undefeated to be even considered but will be highly controversial if chosen over a SEC runner up.

The SEC wont get in two teams, controversy or not.

(09-14-2014 05:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC wont get in two teams, controversy or not.

Oh, but wouldn't it be fun if 2 SEC teams got in and a 1-loss ND didn't?

(09-14-2014 05:49 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC wont get in two teams, controversy or not.

Oh, but wouldn't it be fun if 2 SEC teams got in and a 1-loss ND didn't?

Not what I would call fun.lol

(09-14-2014 05:49 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC wont get in two teams, controversy or not.

Oh, but wouldn't it be fun if 2 SEC teams got in and a 1-loss ND didn't?

I think the big question will be if BOTH Notre Dame and BYU go undefeated this year.

When you look at BYU's schedule, it looks very possible for this team to go through the entire year without a loss.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-14/indep...hedule.php

You want to talk about pressure to expand the playoff immediately, let there be a scare leading up to the final presentation that BYU and Notre Dame might both get in.

(09-14-2014 06:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:49 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC wont get in two teams, controversy or not.

Oh, but wouldn't it be fun if 2 SEC teams got in and a 1-loss ND didn't?

I think the big question will be if BOTH Notre Dame and BYU go undefeated this year.

When you look at BYU's schedule, it looks very possible for this team to go through the entire year without a loss.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-14/indep...hedule.php

You want to talk about pressure to expand the playoff immediately, let there be a scare leading up to the final presentation that BYU and Notre Dame might both get in.

A 12-0 BYU still doesn't make the semifinals. They take an at-large spot in the Cotton or Fiesta or Peach, but not a semifinal spot.

A 12-0 Notre Dame has a W over Florida STate, as well as some other ranked teams. So you have to think they're in the semifinals.

(09-14-2014 06:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:49 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  

(09-14-2014 05:07 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The SEC wont get in two teams, controversy or not.

Oh, but wouldn't it be fun if 2 SEC teams got in and a 1-loss ND didn't?

I think the big question will be if BOTH Notre Dame and BYU go undefeated this year.

When you look at BYU's schedule, it looks very possible for this team to go through the entire year without a loss.

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-14/indep...hedule.php

You want to talk about pressure to expand the playoff immediately, let there be a scare leading up to the final presentation that BYU and Notre Dame might both get in.

BYU will create no pressure. Their schedule is way too soft.

An unbeaten ND is a certainty to make the playoffs. They could conceivably get in with a loss.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

I would not be surprised for a 12-0 BYU to make the playoff. I think the only 11-1, or 12-1 teams that would be able to jump them would be FSU, ND, Clemson, Michigan State, Oregon, Bama, Auburn, TAMU, Georgia, and perhaps Mizzou, however the one loss will have to be to a top 10 team. I don't see a two loss team from the even the SEC jumping a 12-0 BYU.