(09-08-2014 10:37 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:23 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

+1 - we are not at Boise level yet.

NIU has far surpassed Boise

Historically? No way... I do think that we are the better G5 right now, though. Boise gets the benefit of the doubt in the eyes of voters, and they would probably vote more for them if they had the EXACT same schedule as us.

Agreed I think Boise will regress and NIU will continue building from this year on.

(09-08-2014 10:38 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  I think he means as of now, NIU surpassed them as being a better team right now. Not accomplishment wise. Because that's not even close.

Except he keeps using the terms "far" and "long time" and he's wrong on both accounts.

He's also the one who brought up the 5 year timespan and he's wrong about that, too.

I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

(09-08-2014 10:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

You can't try and rationalize preseason polls, look at last year...end of 2012 fresno got curb stomped in their bowl game by a bad team, NIU fights and loses to FSU...yet Fresno was ranked ahead of NIU at the beginning of the season and we had to play catch up in the polls all season long


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(09-08-2014 10:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

I asked myself this question too.. I really think it has to do with 'Marshall is a safe bet' to place your bids on... My theory is that because people see them with the easiest schedule, then Marshall will have the highest chances of running the table, and because people who get to vote barely use their brain, and interns vote for coaches, then I'm REALLY not surprised with the BS we see in the polls with the G5s, and definitely not surprised to see Marshall in front of us for the time being.

(09-08-2014 10:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

You don't like it when NIU doesn't get respect but call Boise St's success "marginal".

(09-08-2014 11:00 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

I asked myself this question too.. I really think it has to do with 'Marshall is a safe bet' to place your bids on... My theory is that because people see them with the easiest schedule, then Marshall will have the highest chances of running the table, and because people who get to vote barely use their brain, and interns vote for coaches, then I'm REALLY not surprised with the BS we see in the polls with the G5s, and definitely not surprised to see Marshall in front of us for the time being.

It's just carryover from last year. They ended the season unofficially ranked 29th with a win over a power conference team in a bowl. They're unofficially lower right now than what they ended up at last season. I wouldn't even say they're getting a lot of respect. They're being recognized for last season which is common for determining polls for the new season. They're not even close to being ranked in either poll.

(09-08-2014 11:08 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 11:00 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

I asked myself this question too.. I really think it has to do with 'Marshall is a safe bet' to place your bids on... My theory is that because people see them with the easiest schedule, then Marshall will have the highest chances of running the table, and because people who get to vote barely use their brain, and interns vote for coaches, then I'm REALLY not surprised with the BS we see in the polls with the G5s, and definitely not surprised to see Marshall in front of us for the time being.

It's just carryover from last year. They ended the season unofficially ranked 29th with a win over a power conference team in a bowl. They're unofficially lower right now than what they ended up at last season. I wouldn't even say they're getting a lot of respect. They're being recognized for last season which is common for determining polls for the new season. They're not even close to being ranked in either poll.

this makes sense, too. I still think that our NU win warrants more votes.

(09-08-2014 11:18 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 11:08 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 11:00 PM)Enaiu Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I guess I can buy it if you say some marginal success Boise had a decade ago somehow gives them votes now, its a sad thing, but probably true. But if that thinking holds then why in the heck was Marshall so highly regarded when they have played nobody, beaten nobody, and have an FCS quality schedule this year.

I asked myself this question too.. I really think it has to do with 'Marshall is a safe bet' to place your bids on... My theory is that because people see them with the easiest schedule, then Marshall will have the highest chances of running the table, and because people who get to vote barely use their brain, and interns vote for coaches, then I'm REALLY not surprised with the BS we see in the polls with the G5s, and definitely not surprised to see Marshall in front of us for the time being.

It's just carryover from last year. They ended the season unofficially ranked 29th with a win over a power conference team in a bowl. They're unofficially lower right now than what they ended up at last season. I wouldn't even say they're getting a lot of respect. They're being recognized for last season which is common for determining polls for the new season. They're not even close to being ranked in either poll.

this makes sense, too. I still think that our NU win warrants more votes.

A win over Arkansas should push NIU over Marshall.

(09-08-2014 10:33 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

And how about Marshall getting more votes than NIU, please someone don't tell me Randy Moss legitimized them, I guess if you are using the Boise St rationale, someone is going to bring up Randy Moss lol

Who cares? Its week 2 of the season. There are still a lot of question marks among the G5. The better teams will emerge as the season unfolds much like last season when Fresno went down late to San Jose. You are probably looking at something like this early among the G5 teams getting early votes.

Marshall: experienced QB, high powered offense, weak schedule (sound familiar), good chance to run the table
Boise: First year without Petersen, will they regress
Utah State: Can Keeton rebound from injury
Fresno State: No Derek Carr
NIU: No Heisman finalist QB
UCF: No Bortles
Cinci: Betting on Tuberville, usually solid, receiving votes
ULL: Just got crushed by LaTech; will fall back far

Fresno has gotten ass pounded in their first two games. Don't look anything like the team from last year.

I'm looking at Marshall's schedule and I don't see too many hiccups.

The only potential tough games in my eyes, are Akron (in Akron) and vs. WKU. The rest should be games they win big in. If UTSA wins their division, I think that would be a tough opponent for a title game.

Right now, I'd say BYU (the look good), Cincy (hasn't played yet), NIU, CMU (they would beat 3 power teams and NIU and Toledo if they win the Wst), Boise, Utah State (at a disadvantage for the tennessee ugly loss), and Marhsall are your front runners in no particular order. My bad, as I typed I left of UCF and ECU. Also left out Monroe, but they will trip up at always 3 times, they always do.

I think if an AAC team has only 1 loss, they'd be pick of the litter. BYU has the toughest schedule, so it depends how they pan out. I think a 1 loss MAC or MWC champ would take slight build over 1 loss CUSA (too many new members) sun belt would have to be undefeated and very very impressive IMO.

Quote:NIU has far surpassed Boise

I think that's Way over stated. As those game results pointed out, NIU hasn't reached that 'level' that Boise did in their peak years.

If NIU beats Arkansas (who goes, say, .500+) and goes undefeated and wins the BCS Bowl against Baylor/Georgia/MSU/whomever -- then one can say that NIU is the "new" Boise in the making and is in that "zone".

(09-08-2014 11:27 PM)HuskieJWN Wrote:  I'm looking at Marshall's schedule and I don't see too many hiccups.

The only potential tough games in my eyes, are Akron (in Akron) and vs. WKU. The rest should be games they win big in. If UTSA wins their division, I think that would be a tough opponent for a title game.

Right now, I'd say BYU (the look good), Cincy (hasn't played yet), NIU, CMU (they would beat 3 power teams and NIU and Toledo if they win the Wst), Boise, Utah State (at a disadvantage for the tennessee ugly loss), and Marhsall are your front runners in no particular order. My bad, as I typed I left of UCF and ECU. Also left out Monroe, but they will trip up at always 3 times, they always do.

I think if an AAC team has only 1 loss, they'd be pick of the litter. BYU has the toughest schedule, so it depends how they pan out. I think a 1 loss MAC or MWC champ would take slight build over 1 loss CUSA (too many new members) sun belt would have to be undefeated and very very impressive IMO.

I actually went into detail on this in the off-season. I'll bump it.

I think Akron is going to end up beating Marshall.

(09-08-2014 11:39 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I think Akron is going to end up beating Marshall.

NIU's situation is somewhat clear this year, run the table you are in, lose and you are out.

(09-09-2014 12:19 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 11:39 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  I think Akron is going to end up beating Marshall.

NIU's situation is somewhat clear this year, run the table you are in, lose and you are out.

Except not the case. The AAC champ will probably have 3 losses, possibly the case for MWC as well. If niu only had one loss, and it was arkansas, that committee would be giving niu a very long look if Boise and Cincy each had 3 losses.

Quote:NIU's situation is somewhat clear this year, run the table you are in, lose and you are out

That's pretty much the same as years before. It's easier but also harder now, since the former Big East is now part of the G5, even though it's guaranteed the Top G5 will get in.

NIU will need to run the table + hope bad luck doesn't come their way.

NIU COULD lose a (relatively) close game to #1 competition (Arkansas) + hope great luck does come their way (Marshall loses to Akron; All in American Athletic lose 2+ and none look hot)

(09-08-2014 11:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:NIU has far surpassed Boise

I think that's Way over stated. As those game results pointed out, NIU hasn't reached that 'level' that Boise did in their peak years.

If NIU beats Arkansas (who goes, say, .500+) and goes undefeated and wins the BCS Bowl against Baylor/Georgia/MSU/whomever -- then one can say that NIU is the "new" Boise in the making and is in that "zone".

You're new to the Maddawg experience, huh?

sorry, but now they mentioned CMU beating Purdue (calling CMU by name) and just calling us "a MAC team". That just doesn't make sense.

(09-09-2014 06:15 PM)WeAreHuskies Wrote:  sorry, but now they mentioned CMU beating Purdue (calling CMU by name) and just calling us "a MAC team". That just doesn't make sense.

AND they mentioned Balls Tate by name and AGAIN called us just "A MAC School"