(09-08-2014 09:54 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The fact that we've gotten 5 votes in the coaches poll after beating a bad FCS school and a bad Big Whatever team tells us that we've gotten respect at least from some pollsters - we'll never get that respect from E$PN but who the hell cares, they have an obvious bias, screw them.

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

If Miami (OH) beat Northwestern they would have 0 votes. It works both ways.

Yes but if Northwestern beat Miami-OH they would be ranked 15th lol

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

Its the age old problem, if you never lose, you are always playing a midget. When you dominate your opponent, by definition they will look like midgets.

(09-08-2014 10:04 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

Its the age old problem, if you never lose, you are always playing a midget. When you dominate your opponent, by definition they will look like midgets.

Boise beat that stigma by beating Oklahoma. We had our shot against Florida St. We have to keep winning to get another one.

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The fact that we've gotten 5 votes in the coaches poll after beating a bad FCS school and a bad Big Whatever team tells us that we've gotten respect at least from some pollsters - we'll never get that respect from E$PN but who the hell cares, they have an obvious bias, screw them.

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Most of the wins have been against bad teams.

I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise has two BCS wins, we have none. It's not even a contest.

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  The fact that we've gotten 5 votes in the coaches poll after beating a bad FCS school and a bad Big Whatever team tells us that we've gotten respect at least from some pollsters - we'll never get that respect from E$PN but who the hell cares, they have an obvious bias, screw them.

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Most of the wins have been against bad teams.

I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise has two BCS wins, we have none. It's not even a contest.

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

And how about Marshall getting more votes than NIU, please someone don't tell me Randy Moss legitimized them, I guess if you are using the Boise St rationale, someone is going to bring up Randy Moss lol

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Most of the wins have been against bad teams.

I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise has two BCS wins, we have none. It's not even a contest.

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

And how about Marshall getting more votes than NIU, please someone don't tell me Randy Moss legitimized them, I guess if you are using the Boise St rationale, someone is going to bring up Randy Moss lol

Iowa gets too much credit, certainly.

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise State has a better record the last 5+ years than NIU does. Those damn facts again...

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Most of the wins have been against bad teams.

I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise has two BCS wins, we have none. It's not even a contest.

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

That's like saying the best NBDL team has any many wins as the Spurs. Much different competition. NIU is better now but Boise has had much more success. You seem to put a lot of weight on regular season wins, most fans would trade every other crappy bowl we been to for just one BCS win. Boise has 2.

(09-08-2014 07:50 PM)NIU8484 Wrote:  Yes, agreed....and let us not forget we didn't beat FSU like Boise beat Oklahoma.....these things take a lot of time and so far this has been. Fantastic ride


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But we were the toughest competition that FSU had in calendar year 2013, by far.

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(09-08-2014 10:15 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Most of the wins have been against bad teams.

I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise has two BCS wins, we have none. It's not even a contest.

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

That's like saying the best NBDL team has any many wins as the Spurs. Much different competition. NIU is better now but Boise has had much more success. You seem to put a lot of weight on regular season wins, most fans would trade every other crappy bowl we been to for just one BCS win. Boise has 2.

But NIU has surpassed Boise St for a long long time now, how can a win 10 years ago justify the bias, it shouldn't. And how does Marshall get all this respect with an FCS-like schedule, its just BS

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

And how about Marshall getting more votes than NIU, please someone don't tell me Randy Moss legitimized them, I guess if you are using the Boise St rationale, someone is going to bring up Randy Moss lol

And fewer than Boise State.

(09-08-2014 10:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:15 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I think what NIU has done is up to the Boise level, at the minimum. This is sustained success over a 15 year period, with plenty of big wins, and Boise got more than their fair sure of easy wins. Whats sad is what Boise did 8 years ago is more important than what NIU has sone the past 5 years, its a joke. But then again, why do we even care about rankings when a Michigan team can get shut out by 31 to 0 score and still get votes, its a complete and utter joke, even moreso now.

Boise has two BCS wins, we have none. It's not even a contest.

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

That's like saying the best NBDL team has any many wins as the Spurs. Much different competition. NIU is better now but Boise has had much more success. You seem to put a lot of weight on regular season wins, most fans would trade every other crappy bowl we been to for just one BCS win. Boise has 2.

But NIU has surpassed Boise St for a long long time now, how can a win 10 years ago justify the bias, it shouldn't. And how does Marshall get all this respect with an FCS-like schedule, its just BS

The win wasn't 10 years ago.

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

+1 - we are not at Boise level yet.

(09-08-2014 10:11 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:09 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:49 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

NIU has as many wins over the past 5 years as Bama, Oregon, etc. NIU has clearly surpassed Boise IMO. Boise's win over Oklahoma while a BCS game was mehhh. Yeah it was a cool play at the end, but Oklahoma wasn't even that good.

Its just other things too like Iowa getting more votes than NIU for barely beating just a bad bad UNI team, and then getting dominated for most of the game by Ball State.

And how about Marshall getting more votes than NIU, please someone don't tell me Randy Moss legitimized them, I guess if you are using the Boise St rationale, someone is going to bring up Randy Moss lol

Who cares? Its week 2 of the season. There are still a lot of question marks among the G5. The better teams will emerge as the season unfolds much like last season when Fresno went down late to San Jose. You are probably looking at something like this early among the G5 teams getting early votes.

Marshall: experienced QB, high powered offense, weak schedule (sound familiar), good chance to run the table
Boise: First year without Petersen, will they regress
Utah State: Can Keeton rebound from injury
Fresno State: No Derek Carr
NIU: No Heisman finalist QB
UCF: No Bortles
Cinci: Betting on Tuberville, usually solid, receiving votes
ULL: Just got crushed by LaTech; will fall back far

(09-08-2014 10:23 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

+1 - we are not at Boise level yet.

NIU has far surpassed Boise

(09-08-2014 10:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:23 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

+1 - we are not at Boise level yet.

NIU has far surpassed Boise

Not even close, look at the facts presented above on quality wins.

Currently, meaning as of today, NIU is better.

NIU is not at the level Boise was though. Peak for peak it's easily Boise.

(09-08-2014 10:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:23 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

+1 - we are not at Boise level yet.

NIU has far surpassed Boise

Historically? No way... I do think that we are the better G5 right now, though. Boise gets the benefit of the doubt in the eyes of voters, and they would probably vote more for them if they had the EXACT same schedule as us.

(09-08-2014 10:35 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:33 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 10:23 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:58 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 09:36 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No AP votes, and 5 coaches votes which probably means 2 coaches voted NIU 23 and 24. I don't call that much respect. After 16 wins road wins in a row, NIU should get the benefit of the doubt. Can you imagine if this was Boise and Boise beat Northwestern and started 2-0. Boise would be a top 10 team lol

Boise was a better team and for longer. We have had a nice run but not quite in that league... Just look at some of the key wins for both programs over the last years and there is no comparison.
Boise: Oregon (x2), TCU, Virginia Tech, Oregon State (x2), Utah (x2), Georgia, Arizona State, Oklahoma, BYU, Washington,

NIU: Purdue (x2), Minnesota, Army (x2), Iowa, Northwestern

We still have work to do on the field to get into that next tier. Better schedules going forward though will give us more opportunities to add names. Its tough to be a giant killer playing a midgets schedule. Not to overlook UNLV, but a win at Arkansas would be big.

+1 - we are not at Boise level yet.

NIU has far surpassed Boise

Not even close, look at the facts presented above on quality wins.

I think he means as of now, NIU surpassed them as being a better team right now. Not accomplishment wise. Because that's not even close.