(08-31-2014 03:44 PM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:50 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 10:41 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  Why are some you even fans of JMU anymore? The level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible. Anyone who defended Mickey was a "Koolaid drinker." Anyone who says it's too early to judge Withers is a "Koolaid Drinker." So I must ask...What can a fan say without being a "Koolaid drinker?"

Look I am a fan. I will criticize the program when I think it is warrented. However, I will always try to see things from an optimistic point of view. Why? Because it is makes being a fan more enjoyable. At the end of the day, football is entertainment and an escape. Just dwelling on every negative issue just sucks the enjoyment out of it. If choosing to look at things from a more positive pojnt of view makes me a "Koolaid drinker" than so be it.

I'm offended by your charge that "the level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible."

It isn't negativity. It is critical analysis. That's what real fans do. We sucked yesterday. Those here who have said that have backed it up with X's and O's, roster weaknesses, coaching SNAFUs, etc.

A real fan isn't someone who blindly follows a team, saying they are awesome when they suck. A real fan loves his or her team and points out weaknesses in an effort to inspire improvement.

I'm sorry you are offended, but I stand by what I said. The level of negativity is beyond reasonable. I don't think anyone should blindly follow the team. The coaches and staff should be criticized when they make mistakes. Constructive dialogue is good for the program. However, for the most part, that is not what occurs here. People have clear agendas and nothing is ever good enough for some of the "fans" that post on this board. I am sorry, but it is reality.

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(08-31-2014 03:44 PM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:50 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 10:41 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  Why are some you even fans of JMU anymore? The level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible. Anyone who defended Mickey was a "Koolaid drinker." Anyone who says it's too early to judge Withers is a "Koolaid Drinker." So I must ask...What can a fan say without being a "Koolaid drinker?"

Look I am a fan. I will criticize the program when I think it is warrented. However, I will always try to see things from an optimistic point of view. Why? Because it is makes being a fan more enjoyable. At the end of the day, football is entertainment and an escape. Just dwelling on every negative issue just sucks the enjoyment out of it. If choosing to look at things from a more positive pojnt of view makes me a "Koolaid drinker" than so be it.

I'm offended by your charge that "the level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible."

It isn't negativity. It is critical analysis. That's what real fans do. We sucked yesterday. Those here who have said that have backed it up with X's and O's, roster weaknesses, coaching SNAFUs, etc.

A real fan isn't someone who blindly follows a team, saying they are awesome when they suck. A real fan loves his or her team and points out weaknesses in an effort to inspire improvement.

I'm sorry you are offended, but I stand by what I said. The level of negativity is beyond reasonable. I don't think anyone should blindly follow the team. The coaches and staff should be criticized when they make mistakes. Constructive dialogue is good for the program. However, for the most part, that is not what occurs here. People have clear agendas and nothing is ever good enough for some of the "fans" that post on this board. I am sorry, but it is reality.

Good enough would be some effort. That's what pissed me off about yesterday. Our guys didn't really seem to care to be there. They were going through the motions. That's not one game, it's a red flag. We always at least played hard under Mickey. I felt like we played with no heart. None. Let ourselves get embarrassed and nobody seemed to care.

Being 0-2 before our home opener against a weak opponent would suuuuuuuuuuuck. So let's not do that.

(08-31-2014 03:44 PM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:50 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 10:41 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  Why are some you even fans of JMU anymore? The level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible. Anyone who defended Mickey was a "Koolaid drinker." Anyone who says it's too early to judge Withers is a "Koolaid Drinker." So I must ask...What can a fan say without being a "Koolaid drinker?"

Look I am a fan. I will criticize the program when I think it is warrented. However, I will always try to see things from an optimistic point of view. Why? Because it is makes being a fan more enjoyable. At the end of the day, football is entertainment and an escape. Just dwelling on every negative issue just sucks the enjoyment out of it. If choosing to look at things from a more positive pojnt of view makes me a "Koolaid drinker" than so be it.

I'm offended by your charge that "the level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible."

It isn't negativity. It is critical analysis. That's what real fans do. We sucked yesterday. Those here who have said that have backed it up with X's and O's, roster weaknesses, coaching SNAFUs, etc.

A real fan isn't someone who blindly follows a team, saying they are awesome when they suck. A real fan loves his or her team and points out weaknesses in an effort to inspire improvement.

I'm sorry you are offended, but I stand by what I said. The level of negativity is beyond reasonable. I don't think anyone should blindly follow the team. The coaches and staff should be criticized when they make mistakes. Constructive dialogue is good for the program. However, for the most part, that is not what occurs here. People have clear agendas and nothing is ever good enough for some of the "fans" that post on this board. I am sorry, but it is reality.

That's right. There's been people gulping koolaid for 8 months getting excited about press conferences, practices, over hyped transfers and recruits, and so called culture change, stuff that doesn't mean SQUAT compared to results on the field. Withers shouldn't be given any praise nor any criticism for any of that, and none of us should get excited over any of it. Kudos for the GPA improvement and no one in the police blotter this year, but other than that, 100% of the judgement should be for results on the field.

(08-31-2014 04:03 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 03:44 PM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:50 PM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 10:41 AM)NYJMUSupporter Wrote:  Why are some you even fans of JMU anymore? The level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible. Anyone who defended Mickey was a "Koolaid drinker." Anyone who says it's too early to judge Withers is a "Koolaid Drinker." So I must ask...What can a fan say without being a "Koolaid drinker?"

Look I am a fan. I will criticize the program when I think it is warrented. However, I will always try to see things from an optimistic point of view. Why? Because it is makes being a fan more enjoyable. At the end of the day, football is entertainment and an escape. Just dwelling on every negative issue just sucks the enjoyment out of it. If choosing to look at things from a more positive pojnt of view makes me a "Koolaid drinker" than so be it.

I'm offended by your charge that "the level of negativity is beyond what I ever thought was possible."

It isn't negativity. It is critical analysis. That's what real fans do. We sucked yesterday. Those here who have said that have backed it up with X's and O's, roster weaknesses, coaching SNAFUs, etc.

A real fan isn't someone who blindly follows a team, saying they are awesome when they suck. A real fan loves his or her team and points out weaknesses in an effort to inspire improvement.

I'm sorry you are offended, but I stand by what I said. The level of negativity is beyond reasonable. I don't think anyone should blindly follow the team. The coaches and staff should be criticized when they make mistakes. Constructive dialogue is good for the program. However, for the most part, that is not what occurs here. People have clear agendas and nothing is ever good enough for some of the "fans" that post on this board. I am sorry, but it is reality.

Good enough would be some effort. That's what pissed me off about yesterday. Our guys didn't really seem to care to be there. They were going through the motions. That's not one game, it's a red flag. We always at least played hard under Mickey. I felt like we played with no heart. None. Let ourselves get embarrassed and nobody seemed to care.

We played very hard with a ton of heart. I didn't see anyone going through the motions. This is the best conditioned team that I can remember. They were over matched by a good Maryland team. They did not control the line of scrimmage but that does not mean they failed to play with effort. It is incorrect to say that this team played hard under MM. There were many games over the last 4 years (2009-2013) when this team seemed to lose focus. I can cite a ton of games, including, but not limited to, the Liberty game a week after beating Tech in 2010, ODU twice (could have made the playoffs with a win in 2012), UR game in 2010, and St. Francis in 2013. I supported MM as a coach and I am glad that he's found a spot with ESPN for 2014. I defended MM in many posts. I also understood why the change was made. It's a business and we had not played consistently since 2008. We were losing fans.

This team has worked their butts off for 8 months on the practice field and in the classroom. The Maryland game was disappointing for the players, the coaches and the fans. I hate playing an FBS team in week 1. I prefer playing a lesser program in week 1 and then play the FBS team. Every team makes the most progress between week 1 and week 2. Our guys are already on the field this afternoon correcting the issues from yesterday.

Not having been able to watch the game, I am left to rely upon the radio commentators and the posters on these threads. I sure hope that the players display some 'Juice' next weekend ... and that we are simply not drinking 'Juice' from the coaching staff!

Thanks HH&C. Im sure it was tougher on them to lose like that than it was on us to watch.

Glad they are back out there preparing for week 2. Hoping for a different outcome.

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Considering we're going from the 59th to 181st ranked team next week, I'm sure things will be a bit more in their favor. They have a game under their belt and the toughest team we'll face all year, outside of ndsu in the postseason, is behind us.

I have been intimately involved with football as a player and coach for 24 years. There are two concerns I have with yesterday's game:
1) the lack of discipline with penalties (especially the special teams catch interference penalties). Repeated penalties are a warning light that the message from the staff might not be getting through to the players. Special teams are always a huge focus in "summer camp," so fair catch interference definitely should not happen.
2) Sounds small, but there was one play where Lee scrambled under pressure on 3rd down pinned near his own goal-line. He then threw the ball up for grabs off of his back foot. The play resulted in INC, but that is a rookie mistake. A veteran quarterback that started for an ACC team should know better. I can live with him rifling a ball into tight coverage there trying to get something positive going down 21 early. But just lofting a rainbow with a prayer is definitely a no-no.

Those two things being said, I fully expected a score in the range of 47-3 or something like that yesterday. I was hoping we would be competitive, but my heart was clouded by a rainy day four years ago where we played close to perfect and VT was sloppy.

So we didn't shock the world. Let's hope the team makes adjustments and things go well in the 1-AA games!

A effort and focus has never been a problem with this program, the offensive and defensive numbers like that and state they lost focus and effort. The reason MM is gone is strictly due to his personality and offensive gameplan. And there are some games where you are just outmatched , gameplan and talent wise.

EW's challenger this year will be to win games with personnel that is not based on his recruiting efforts. Our athletes are very good but I know it's hard to coach these kids up in college. If our teams are playing like this four years from now he will be fired. But if he brings in kids like Moreland and ford and they play great we will be contenders.

Someone learn to tackle. That's all I've said. I'm as big a "fanboy", to which my deractors will quickly respond, as much as anyone can accuse, but I have no problem pointing out the obvious.

That was pretty aweful. Period. Was/is Maryland a better team? Probably. How much did that actually play into the suck we put up for 45 minutes of that?

I have faith they'll get their together, 5yhough I not thiniking li

(08-31-2014 06:39 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  A effort and focus has never been a problem with this program, the offensive and defensive numbers like that and state they lost focus and effort. The reason MM is gone is strictly due to his personality and offensive gameplan.

Mickey had an offensive gameplan?

Just kidding! Just kidding! Line up and wail away, Mick lovers.

I agree with those that say the jury is still out. My biggest concern for this season is inexperience, not with the team but with the coaching staff. What we saw Saturday was a team that had not been coached well. Mistakes with fundamentals. Hopefully the coaches learned more from their mistakes than the players. The reason Withers got the HC job is because he is a salesman. He talks the good talk. Maryland is not a good barometer for where the team is. Next Saturday will be. Hopefully this won't turn into a "New Error"

(09-01-2014 12:41 AM)bulldogg Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 06:39 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  A effort and focus has never been a problem with this program, the offensive and defensive numbers like that and state they lost focus and effort. The reason MM is gone is strictly due to his personality and offensive gameplan.

Mickey had an offensive gameplan?

Just kidding! Just kidding! Line up and wail away, Mick lovers.

My guess is people didn't like it lol

(08-31-2014 06:39 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  A effort and focus has never been a problem with this program, the offensive and defensive numbers like that and state they lost focus and effort. The reason MM is gone is strictly due to his personality and offensive gameplan. And there are some games where you are just outmatched , gameplan and talent wise.

EW's challenger this year will be to win games with personnel that is not based on his recruiting efforts. Our athletes are very good but I know it's hard to coach these kids up in college. If our teams are playing like this four years from now he will be fired. But if he brings in kids like Moreland and ford and they play great we will be contenders.

Wait four Years? I'm turning 70 this month ... I don't have time to wait!

(08-31-2014 09:25 AM)Potomac Wrote:  2013 UMD games with large margin of victory:
FIU - 43-10
ODU - 47-10
WVU - 37-0

You forgot one... FSU 63-UMD -0