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(07-19-2014 06:45 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:40 PM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  I guess I just like the 6 hour radius that Fleck establishes for the "majority" of our recruits. This is not a Fleck thing either. Many schools particularly schools in smaller DI conference like the MAC are successful at this. They want families to be close enough to support their sons by coming to games. By recruiting in 6 hr radius you also potentially could increase your "fan base".

Unless you're Eastern Michigan... which brings us back full circle to the topic of this thread.

Like I said No one is going to YPSI. That coaching job is a no win situation. I wouldnt want my kid stuck in YPSI for 4-5 years, think I would rather pay college tuition than go there.
They might not even be division 1 cause of their lack of fan support. Most everyone I know goes to games on the west side of US23. All those Walmart shoppers.

(07-19-2014 06:59 PM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:45 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:40 PM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  I guess I just like the 6 hour radius that Fleck establishes for the "majority" of our recruits. This is not a Fleck thing either. Many schools particularly schools in smaller DI conference like the MAC are successful at this. They want families to be close enough to support their sons by coming to games. By recruiting in 6 hr radius you also potentially could increase your "fan base".

Unless you're Eastern Michigan... which brings us back full circle to the topic of this thread.

Like I said No one is going to YPSI. That coaching job is a no win situation. I wouldnt want my kid stuck in YPSI for 4-5 years, think I would rather pay college tuition than go there.
They might not even be division 1 cause of their lack of fan support. Most everyone I know goes to games on the west side of US23. All those Walmart shoppers.

Think that is where all the EMU students go too!

(07-19-2014 06:40 PM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  Chip Dip, sorry brother our post was getting to long...

I guess I just like the 6 hour radius that Fleck establishes for the "majority" of our recruits. This is not a Fleck thing either. Many schools particularly schools in smaller DI conference like the MAC are successful at this. They want families to be close enough to support their sons by coming to games. By recruiting in 6 hr radius you also potentially could increase your "fan base". For instance I live in GR so I know a lot about West Michigan recruits. GR people, especially WMU alumni will start coming back to games if they are familiar with local kids that they have followed in HS. For me it will be VanDort, Keenoy, Wassink, Renda, Henry, Currie, Quinn, Terry, and Sueing. Just throwing that out there

I honestly don't think you can win the MAC with a majority of MI players. Fleck has done a good job of beating out other MAC schools for MI talent, and I think that is what counts. But he still needs to continue pluck a few Ohio recruits from with ohio school offers, and we need to stay strong in Chicago and Northern Indiana.

Because of body type DBs and RBs are plentiful and FL is fertile ground. Being a passing league I think you recruit nationwide for QBs and WRs.

(07-19-2014 01:52 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  No they don't pass up opportunities, especially growth ones. In fact they reach out to the predecessor. Most of those guys are cognizant of the fact that you need to be nice on the way up, you might need them on the way down.

I'm wondering if they were approached even, and if they were how good was the pitch?

(07-19-2014 04:42 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 02:50 PM)Doo Wrote:  Creighton isn't the second coming of Lombardi. But too many poo poo him for being what is a glorified D3 coach. He'll bring a lot of respect to EMU but not insane numbers.

EMU wanted a successful current HC not in retread status. That made lower level guys targets.

Clarifying my point from earlier...MAC ADs have a lot to gain professionally hiring a "unique" coaching talent. If they succeed that means BCS job. Not worth hiring a career .600 coach.

^I like this guy. We've had our differences these past few days, but you seem to get it.

Doo - I still want to know the answer to Dip's question... How did you hear about this place?

Originally?

I was turned on to this site by a member of the Athletic Department actually.

We can bash EMU all we want, but a 18 year old kid walking around a HS calling himself "D1" is a different story. People go to Kent and Akron...have you been to those towns...

(07-19-2014 07:52 PM)Doo Wrote:  We can bash EMU all we want, but a 18 year old kid walking around a HS calling himself "D1" is a different story. People go to Kent and Akron...have you been to those towns...

EMUs problem isn't Ypsilanti, it's being 8 miles from the Big Hole.

(07-19-2014 07:52 PM)Doo Wrote:  We can bash EMU all we want, but a 18 year old kid walking around a HS calling himself "D1" is a different story. People go to Kent and Akron...have you been to those towns...

People have said that about Toledo for years...Akron at least has nice facilities.

(07-19-2014 07:28 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 06:40 PM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  Chip Dip, sorry brother our post was getting to long...

I guess I just like the 6 hour radius that Fleck establishes for the "majority" of our recruits. This is not a Fleck thing either. Many schools particularly schools in smaller DI conference like the MAC are successful at this. They want families to be close enough to support their sons by coming to games. By recruiting in 6 hr radius you also potentially could increase your "fan base". For instance I live in GR so I know a lot about West Michigan recruits. GR people, especially WMU alumni will start coming back to games if they are familiar with local kids that they have followed in HS. For me it will be VanDort, Keenoy, Wassink, Renda, Henry, Currie, Quinn, Terry, and Sueing. Just throwing that out there

I honestly don't think you can win the MAC with a majority of MI players. Fleck has done a good job of beating out other MAC schools for MI talent, and I think that is what counts. But he still needs to continue pluck a few Ohio recruits from with ohio school offers, and we need to stay strong in Chicago and Northern Indiana.

Because of body type DBs and RBs are plentiful and FL is fertile ground. Being a passing league I think you recruit nationwide for QBs and WRs.

Other than FL, that is the 6 hour radius that I was talking about. Basically we are in agreement! Amazing someone agrees with me on something.

The local kids helping attendance is something that chipdip has shot down for years and I agree. Get the best talent you can and then coach them up. PJ has done the first but we have not seen the second. PJ needs a new OC fast unless he improves this season.

(07-20-2014 08:42 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  PJ needs a new OC fast unless he improves this season.

I'm not ready to write off Ciarrocca just yet. Last year was pretty painful to watch offensively, I'll give you that. But I haven't decided if the play-calling was as bad as it appeared yet due to all of the injuries, lack of overall talent and depth, and perhaps not showing the whole play book yet. I'm giving him a pass last season (yup, I said it) based on all things considered. But if things don't change this year, I think we might have an Al Borges situation developing here.

So I think we agree.

(07-20-2014 10:12 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 08:42 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  PJ needs a new OC fast unless he improves this season.

I'm not ready to write off Ciarrocca just yet. Last year was pretty painful to watch offensively, I'll give you that. But I haven't decided if the play-calling was as bad as it appeared yet due to all of the injuries, lack of overall talent and depth, and perhaps not showing the whole play book yet. I'm giving him a pass last season (yup, I said it) based on all things considered. But if things don't change this year, I think we might have an Al Borges situation developing here.

So I think we agree.

You can have great plays, practice them and practice them and practice them, but it isn't necessarily the coaches fault when kids cant execute them consistently. So find kids that can you say? Yeap! And I think that is somewhat where we are at. I will not necessarily say that 1-2 years from now cause then it isn't about player variables.

(07-20-2014 10:12 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 08:42 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  PJ needs a new OC fast unless he improves this season.

I'm not ready to write off Ciarrocca just yet. Last year was pretty painful to watch offensively, I'll give you that. But I haven't decided if the play-calling was as bad as it appeared yet due to all of the injuries, lack of overall talent and depth, and perhaps not showing the whole play book yet. I'm giving him a pass last season (yup, I said it) based on all things considered. But if things don't change this year, I think we might have an Al Borges situation developing here.

So I think we agree.

I still can't get passed his hurry up play he had in each week. It was garbage and I bet was negative yardage for the season. Trying to go 3 tight ends and run power football was annoying. He also could have used Davis better the way Jennings was used with more screens and crossing routes instead of everything being down field.

I would love to see us run some zone read, inverted veer type stuff to keep people more of balanced and slow down the rush.

I don't give him a pass because I don't think he did a very good job of adapting to his talent. Terrell would have been better served getting moved out of the pocket more. Plus I feel really strongly that a pro style offense is not the way to go in the MAC.

(07-20-2014 10:39 AM)Cant make this sh t up Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 10:12 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(07-20-2014 08:42 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  PJ needs a new OC fast unless he improves this season.

I'm not ready to write off Ciarrocca just yet. Last year was pretty painful to watch offensively, I'll give you that. But I haven't decided if the play-calling was as bad as it appeared yet due to all of the injuries, lack of overall talent and depth, and perhaps not showing the whole play book yet. I'm giving him a pass last season (yup, I said it) based on all things considered. But if things don't change this year, I think we might have an Al Borges situation developing here.

So I think we agree.

You can have great plays, practice them and practice them and practice them, but it isn't necessarily the coaches fault when kids cant execute them consistently. So find kids that can you say? Yeap! And I think that is somewhat where we are at. I will not necessarily say that 1-2 years from now cause then it isn't about player variables.

I am not talking about execution. I know a little bit about schemes and he didn't have one. You can have a good game plan and have it not executed. I watched practice several times and all games from Gill Club so I have film quality view. I think PJ needs to cut him if he doesn't adapt. Even with the talent he is bringing in, it doesn't fit what he was trying to do last year.

(07-20-2014 10:46 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  I still can't get passed his hurry up play he had in each week. It was garbage and I bet was negative yardage for the season. Trying to go 3 tight ends and run power football was annoying. He also could have used Davis better the way Jennings was used with more screens and crossing routes instead of everything being down field.

I would love to see us run some zone read, inverted veer type stuff to keep people more of balanced and slow down the rush.

I don't give him a pass because I don't think he did a very good job of adapting to his talent. Terrell would have been better served getting moved out of the pocket more. Plus I feel really strongly that a pro style offense is not the way to go in the MAC.

Agree with you about the "hurry up" attempts last season. That was driving me absolutely crazy all year. Also agree on the lack of screens. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why we weren't running more screen plays... especially given the fact I saw the team executing them well in practice.

I still think we haven't seen the whole playbook, mostly because it's a new system (gives the players time to take it in one scheme at a time), and there's no sense in showing all of your cards to the rest of the conference in year one with a team that doesn't even necessarily have the talent to pull off some of the schemes anyways.

A pro-style offense can work regardless of the conference if you have talented enough players on the field to execute it (i.e. Alabama). It's not like the MAC is filled with teams that field great defenses.

I am in complete agreement with Kimbo on this one. The weakest link in the current staff and possibly the whole program is the OC right now. The constant hurry-up bullcrap, no semblance of an identifiable scheme, poor execution, "throw it to Davis on every play, don't even look at your other receivers"...ugh...


I am not completely against a pro-style offense if it's done right, FWIW.

I have it on good authority you guys are blaming the wrong coach

Although I agree that Ciarrocca was very short of "impressive" in year one... I don't know how we can say his schemes and play-calling were the problem when we had such little to work with. If I'm an opposing defense, I lock down Corey Davis in the passing game and Dareyon Chance in the running game. Besides that, we had no other weapons.

Now add a couple of good running backs (Franklin, Ekwoge, Bogan), a good pass-catching tight end (Bezerra), a couple of speedsters in the slot (Billingslea, Seabury, and Braverman returns) and suddenly Ciarrocca has something to work with.

Like I said, no excuses this upcoming year for not getting a little more creative with the playbook. Otherwise, yes, I'll agree he probably needs to go.

(07-20-2014 10:46 AM)Kimbosucks Wrote:  I would love to see us run some zone read, inverted veer type stuff to keep people more of balanced and slow down the rush.

Of course you would Kimbo!

That's whose offense...?

We could try the Houston Veer?

(07-20-2014 03:43 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  We could try the Houston Veer?

That's what Urban Meyer and others have been running out of Shotgun and-or Pistol for years.

What do you think "Zone-Read" and "Inverted Veer" is, smart guy?

Even some NFL teams have been doing it.