(07-29-2014 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:19 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Okay so you don't want to answer.


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I'll keep it simple for you since you have obvious problems.

We do not take the **** insurance that is sold on the exchanges.......the only way you get through our doors with it, is the ER....

comprehend that?

Wow


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Obviously you don't understand

EVERY one of them? Not all ACA plans are bargain basement are they? And is this any different than what you accepted before the ACA? Be honest.

I can make a more in depth post later, I rarely post from my pc anymore and I'm not going to type long explanation off my phone.

What it boils down to is reimbursement rates that the plans pay out. I've been saying since the law was proposed the "insurance" would basically be medicaid just called something else.

Doctors have been cutting back drastically on medicaid patients for several years and lots have stopped altogether. This plans are in the same boat.

You cannot stay afloat as a practice when you move a patient through your office and provide services and then get 60 bucks. Losing money is not an option.

So Obamacare is over now?

Is it tomorrow yet?

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(07-29-2014 11:03 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Is it tomorrow yet?

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keep squawking, parrot....

(07-29-2014 08:22 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:19 PM)maximus Wrote:  I'll keep it simple for you since you have obvious problems.

We do not take the **** insurance that is sold on the exchanges.......the only way you get through our doors with it, is the ER....

comprehend that?

Wow


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Obviously you don't understand

EVERY one of them? Not all ACA plans are bargain basement are they? And is this any different than what you accepted before the ACA? Be honest.

I can make a more in depth post later, I rarely post from my pc anymore and I'm not going to type long explanation off my phone.

What it boils down to is reimbursement rates that the plans pay out. I've been saying since the law was proposed the "insurance" would basically be medicaid just called something else.

Doctors have been cutting back drastically on medicaid patients for several years and lots have stopped altogether. This plans are in the same boat.

You cannot stay afloat as a practice when you move a patient through your office and provide services and then get 60 bucks. Losing money is not an option.

So basically your hospital doesn't want to take patients that have individual coverage since the plans sold through the exchanges are the same as the plans sold off the exchanges. Insurance companies negotiate with providers to establish payment rates so it appears to me that your beef is with BCBS and United and the others, not with the law.


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(07-29-2014 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:19 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 09:59 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Okay so you don't want to answer.


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I'll keep it simple for you since you have obvious problems.

We do not take the **** insurance that is sold on the exchanges.......the only way you get through our doors with it, is the ER....

comprehend that?

Wow


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Obviously you don't understand

EVERY one of them? Not all ACA plans are bargain basement are they? And is this any different than what you accepted before the ACA? Be honest.

Insurance companies create and administer health insurance not the ACA. The ACA set minimum requirements of coverage. The reimbursement formula is between the two private parties, the Feds aren't involved. Now if you are dealing with Medicaid or Medicare then they are, but that isn't what he is talking about. This whole "ACA plans" is in my opinion a deflection used to try and muddy the water. The insurance companies don't negotiate their rates of reimbursement in subdivided groups of exchange and off exchange. I'm not sure if employer provided is separate from individual or if it is all negotiated together.


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(07-29-2014 11:03 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Is it tomorrow yet?

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Oh man, the hilarity!

Excuse me for a moment while I hold my sides at your hilarity.

I actually saw a reason.tv video today that I'd never seen before about the ACA and what it meant for Health insurance and it's costs.


Go order a cheese pizza and then have the company tell you, okay, one cheese pizza.
They bring you a pizza loaded down with every topping under the sun
But I only ordered a cheese pizza?
I know, but the govt says that all pizzas must have... "insert list of pizza toppings". Oh yeah, and you have to pay for all those specific toppings...

The ACA means free pizza toppings? Where do I sign up???

BTW - Is it tomorrow yet?

(07-25-2014 02:08 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 02:01 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:58 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-25-2014 01:25 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Hahahahahahahahahahha.........breathe...........Hahahahahahahahahahha

Do tell, what is the rat plan that mandates anything anywhere near this? Cause it most certainly ain' zerOcare doing any of these things.

Can always access healthcare? Really? As in keep your plan, or keep your Doctor? That kind of access? Or better, can always access, as in when the Doctors start to leave in even greater numbers once they can no longer afford accepting the cut rate medicaid reimbursements? You mean that kind of access mandate?

Now to the affordable rates. Hahahahhahahhahahhhahhaahahaha. I really don't even need to address that one. Premiums for this debacle "will necessarily skyrocket" as more people clamor for fewer doctors and services, when it is mandated that I carry PAP smear coverage for myself, and the exchanges are filled with older, sicker people.

Circling the bowl. None too soon.

funny he keeps mentioning access to affordable healthcare, when that isnt the case for obamacare. Obamacare is subsidized access to crappy insurance. Lazy TOm will find out just how unaffordable the healthcare part is as soon as one of his kids breaks their leg, and he shows up to the hospital with an Obamacare policy.

Wellll, considering, it might be some time before he has to find out in that way, but I get your point.

please dont tell me that Lazy TOm is trying to lay on us worldly sage advice and the dude is not even 20 years old yet....

No, it's not that. It's, uhhhh, a little different than that...

LOL

(07-27-2014 06:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Is tomorrow yet?

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I see you're like me on this subject; completely ignorant. The difference being that I wouldn't celebrate it's demise as strictly an ideological or political win. I know it takes libs longer to grow up but maybe you should consider it.

(07-29-2014 12:36 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:19 PM)maximus Wrote:  I'll keep it simple for you since you have obvious problems.

We do not take the **** insurance that is sold on the exchanges.......the only way you get through our doors with it, is the ER....

comprehend that?

Wow


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Obviously you don't understand

EVERY one of them? Not all ACA plans are bargain basement are they? And is this any different than what you accepted before the ACA? Be honest.

Insurance companies create and administer health insurance not the ACA. The ACA set minimum requirements of coverage. The reimbursement formula is between the two private parties, the Feds aren't involved. Now if you are dealing with Medicaid or Medicare then they are, but that isn't what he is talking about. This whole "ACA plans" is in my opinion a deflection used to try and muddy the water. The insurance companies don't negotiate their rates of reimbursement in subdivided groups of exchange and off exchange. I'm not sure if employer provided is separate from individual or if it is all negotiated together.


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I'm simply not going to waste any more time responding.

There are glaring problems in this post but not going to waste my time on it. You'll never get it.

(07-30-2014 07:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 12:36 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(07-29-2014 08:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:33 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 10:31 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Wow


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Obviously you don't understand

EVERY one of them? Not all ACA plans are bargain basement are they? And is this any different than what you accepted before the ACA? Be honest.

Insurance companies create and administer health insurance not the ACA. The ACA set minimum requirements of coverage. The reimbursement formula is between the two private parties, the Feds aren't involved. Now if you are dealing with Medicaid or Medicare then they are, but that isn't what he is talking about. This whole "ACA plans" is in my opinion a deflection used to try and muddy the water. The insurance companies don't negotiate their rates of reimbursement in subdivided groups of exchange and off exchange. I'm not sure if employer provided is separate from individual or if it is all negotiated together.


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I'm simply not going to waste any more time responding.

There are glaring problems in this post but not going to waste my time on it. You'll never get it.

At least you didn't attack me personally in this post! Now that is progress!


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Is it tomorrow yet?

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So Obamacare is over now, right?

(07-30-2014 11:56 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  So Obamacare is over now, right?

No. Unfortunately. Although the candidates to replace it at this point (public option, single payer) would be decidedly worse.

What we need is a really, really good option from the republicans. Maybe Boehner and McConnell and Ryan and their buddies should take a trip to France and Holland and Germany and Switzerland. Weather's nicer than DC this time of year.

The problem Owl is that the Republicans DON'T want any other option other than what we had before the ACA.

(07-30-2014 12:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The problem Owl is that the Republicans DON'T want any other option other than what we had before the ACA.

I hope that's not right, but I'm beginning to wonder.

Conservatism to me has always meant supporting things that work, instead of theories that feel like they ought to work, and most definitely not supporting the status quo, good or bad. Barry Goldwater's "proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true." What I see republicans doing is supporting things because they are old, not because they are true.

Neither change for the sake of change, nor status quo for the sake of status quo. Obamacare is change for the sake of change. Going back to what we had before Obamacare is status quo for the sake of status quo.

Neither are finding something that works and doing it. That's why neither will work.

(07-30-2014 12:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The problem Owl is that the Republicans DON'T want any other option other than what we had before the ACA.

I hope that's not right, but I'm beginning to wonder.

Conservatism to me has always meant supporting things that work, instead of theories that feel like they ought to work, and most definitely not supporting the status quo, good or bad. Barry Goldwater's "proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true." What I see republicans doing is supporting things because they are old, not because they are true.

Neither change for the sake of change, nor status quo for the sake of status quo. Obamacare is change for the sake of change. Going back to what we had before Obamacare is status quo for the sake of status quo.

Neither are finding something that works and doing it. That's why neither will work.

Two words for ya:

Tea
Party

(07-30-2014 12:31 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 12:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The problem Owl is that the Republicans DON'T want any other option other than what we had before the ACA.

I hope that's not right, but I'm beginning to wonder.
Conservatism to me has always meant supporting things that work, instead of theories that feel like they ought to work, and most definitely not supporting the status quo, good or bad. Barry Goldwater's "proven ways, not because they are old but because they are true." What I see republicans doing is supporting things because they are old, not because they are true.
Neither change for the sake of change, nor status quo for the sake of status quo. Obamacare is change for the sake of change. Going back to what we had before Obamacare is status quo for the sake of status quo.
Neither are finding something that works and doing it. That's why neither will work.

Two words for ya:
Tea
Party

Absolutely not.
I would say it's by far the non-TEA-Party republicans that are guilty of this.
Of course, I will also concede that today's Teabaggers are about as far from the TEA Party as possible, and if it's those RINOs you have in mind, then I would tend to agree.
I'd be really interested in knowing anywhere that you think the TEA Party has favored things that are old over things that work.