(07-13-2014 10:31 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 09:26 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 08:24 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I truly am amazed by the lack of vision of some posters. Every post is always judged in the here and now. Just because HR and I say we would love to see the CAA move up together and compete with the other conferences doesn't mean we believe it will happen and if it did happen that every school would make the move. If the CAA even entertained the idea, there would be several schools that would not make the move.

I think it is possible for the conference to make a move because we don't know what FBS is going to look like in the future. I personally feel that the G5 is going to be nothing more than the bottom 40-50% of the old FBS and many of the FCS schools that moved up over the last 25 years. While the CAA will not be able to compete with the top P5 schools, I do see them competing with the G5 given the same number of scholarships and several recruiting classes.

W&M, UR, Nova and UD all have the resources to move up but they choose not too. These schools all have larger endowments and wealthier alumni than the rest of the CAA. If they really wanted FBS, they can fund it. JMU, Towson and Stony Brook have large enough alumni bases and the ability to enlarge their stadiums should the alumni open their wallet and fund the move. JMU and Towson currently have the two nicest stadiums in the league.

There are many schools currently in FBS with less resources than many of the CAA schools. Many of the football CAA schools are in FCS by choice not because they lack funding. W&M, UR, UD and Nova have far more history than Marshall and far more money. They don't have an FBS program because they do not want it. For those of you that do not know these schools, they are among some of the oldest schools in our country with a long tradition and strong endowments. Money is not an issue for them.

I think you just made the argument for those of us that are saying the idea of moving the CAA up is absurd on its face. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that schools like UR and W&M have any interest in moving to FBS now or anytime down the road. UR just spent a lot of money to build a very small, quaint stadium on campus that can't expand to meet FBS requirements, so they are outright saying they're happy staying in FCS for the long haul. That is totally fine, so what does it matter whether or not they have the capital to fund the move? Same for W&M. There are just not enough schools in the CAA that, together, have the resources AND the possible desire to move up, so hoping for the conference to move up together is a pipe dream and one that I hope our inept admin has given up on as well.

To suggest that others on here don't have "vision" because of this is a bit extreme. Many of us have a "vision" for JMU but also realize that, in business or life, you have to also have a practical, executable plan that will allow you to attain your goals/vision. Sitting back hoping that the cards will fall in your favor is not an effective strategy. I feel that our admin has failed miserably on creating a clear, attainable strategy with actionable steps/tasks needed to reach that goal and has rather employed this strategy of sitting and waiting/hoping for the cards to fall in our favor rather than taking risks and incremental steps needed to reach our ultimate goal.

It was a hypothetically , and the NCAA needs to do away with the stadium requirement and etc. i just want JMU football to win games, that transition to FBS will be brutal for me. I couldn't watch that UNC-ODU game last year.

Absolutely, those two transition seasons will be ugly to watch. Not only ODU, but Appy had little to be proud of last year as well. In order to endure, one will absolutely need to look at where the program will be five years after the transition begins. Even more important, 10 years after FCS is behind us. If you are the type that needs immediate gratification, then you'd better turn your head for a few years.

(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.

Who?

Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?

Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.

On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."

Do you feel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the hierarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it never happened or the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

I'm just surprised that an App fan agreed with a Marsha fan. That I just don't get.

(07-13-2014 08:24 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I truly am amazed by the lack of vision of some posters. Every post is always judged in the here and now. Just because HR and I say we would love to see the CAA move up together and compete with the other conferences doesn't mean we believe it will happen and if it did happen that every school would make the move. If the CAA even entertained the idea, there would be several schools that would not make the move.

I think it is possible for the conference to make a move because we don't know what FBS is going to look like in the future. I personally feel that the G5 is going to be nothing more than the bottom 40-50% of the old FBS and many of the FCS schools that moved up over the last 25 years. While the CAA will not be able to compete with the top P5 schools, I do see them competing with the G5 given the same number of scholarships and several recruiting classes.

W&M, UR, Nova and UD all have the resources to move up but they choose not too. These schools all have larger endowments and wealthier alumni than the rest of the CAA. If they really wanted FBS, they can fund it. JMU, Towson and Stony Brook have large enough alumni bases and the ability to enlarge their stadiums should the alumni open their wallet and fund the move. JMU and Towson currently have the two nicest stadiums in the league.

There are many schools currently in FBS with less resources than many of the CAA schools. Many of the football CAA schools are in FCS by choice not because they lack funding. W&M, UR, UD and Nova have far more history than Marshall and far more money. They don't have an FBS program because they do not want it. For those of you that do not know these schools, they are among some of the oldest schools in our country with a long tradition and strong endowments. Money is not an issue for them.

It's not possible for the caa to move up as a conference.

NCAA rules do not allow it. You must have an invite from a current fbs league in order to move up.

If that rule didn't exist, a bunch of schools would have pushed for a new east coast fbs conference years ago.

I'm thinking of Maine, Rhode Island, Albany and New Hampshire in the FBS and laughing...not because our team has been any better than those schools but at the fact that they are nowhere near anything remotely close to considering a possible move up to FBS one day.

(07-13-2014 02:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.

Who?

Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?

Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.

On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."

Do you felel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the heirarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it neve happened our the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

When the title of the thread is "Appalachian State's Move to FBS," do you not think that a few Appalachian State fans are going to weigh in?

(07-14-2014 12:08 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 02:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.

Who?

Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?

Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.

On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."

Do you felel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the heirarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it neve happened our the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

When the title of the thread is "Appalachian State's Move to FBS," do you not think that a few Appalachian State fans are going to weigh in?

Do whatever you want, I guess. I'd never in a gazillion years know if some hayseed tree farmer had mentioned JMU in some thread on an appy message board.

Guess we have different priorities on our time...

Quote:It's not possible for the caa to move up as a conference.

NCAA rules do not allow it. You must have an invite from a current fbs league in order to move up.

If that rule didn't exist, a bunch of schools would have pushed for a new east coast fbs conference years ago.

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Schools did push for the CAA to move-up to FBS. Tom Yeager said he thought he could get it done. Lynn Rose said that he was not interested.

The NCAA changed their rules before. How else did these new conferences form in the past? What we have now is a new rule. If the CAA challenged it, the NCAA would likely give in. Historically it always has. It is an organization with little teeth except suspending schools that cheat.


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I don't think Maine etc. would make the move either.


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Ugh. Geez ATL. W&M and UR don't have the desire but if they did they can afford it. Lacking vision means saying it won't happen or can't happen when it could if the admin. at those schools wanted it to. It also means using excuses like current rules. Almost Anything is possible in this world


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We must stay grounded in reality:

- JMU said no to the idea of CAA moving to FBS
- Not only did JMU said no, JMU had no interest in discussing the option with ODU and others
- JMU would say no again

This is all possible as well.

(07-14-2014 01:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 12:08 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 02:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 05:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Who?

Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?

Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.

On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."

Do you felel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the heirarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it neve happened our the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

When the title of the thread is "Appalachian State's Move to FBS," do you not think that a few Appalachian State fans are going to weigh in?

Do whatever you want, I guess. I'd never in a gazillion years know if some hayseed tree farmer had mentioned JMU in some thread on an appy message board.

Guess we have different priorities on our time...

I know you JMU guys are busy reading poetry this morning or checking your latest academic ranking, or still wondering why you didn't get into UVA, but if you're awake, you might want to see how far you're falling behind in the football arena: http://csnbbs.com/thread-695631.html

Dumb hayseed tree farmer here.

I think the following schools could go FBS from the CAA:

Delaware/James Madison- the most ready of CAA teams. Any time.

Towson-8-10 years down the road. The have 20,000 undergrads and plan to increase on/off campus housing by 3,000-4,000 over the next 10 years. Draw 8,500-10,500 a game now.

Stony Brook- similar to Towson. School is growing.

Villanova- prestige and could make the commitment.

(07-21-2014 05:58 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 12:08 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 02:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.

On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."

Do you felel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the heirarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it neve happened our the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

When the title of the thread is "Appalachian State's Move to FBS," do you not think that a few Appalachian State fans are going to weigh in?

Do whatever you want, I guess. I'd never in a gazillion years know if some hayseed tree farmer had mentioned JMU in some thread on an appy message board.

Guess we have different priorities on our time...

I know you JMU guys are busy reading poetry this morning or checking your latest academic ranking, or still wondering why you didn't get into UVA, but if you're awake, you might want to see how far you're falling behind in the football arena: http://csnbbs.com/thread-695631.html

Dumb hayseed tree farmer here.

This comment by an Appy fan and the comments in the attached thread is/are well deserved.

(07-21-2014 06:21 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(07-21-2014 05:58 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 12:08 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 02:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Do you felel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the heirarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it neve happened our the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

When the title of the thread is "Appalachian State's Move to FBS," do you not think that a few Appalachian State fans are going to weigh in?

Do whatever you want, I guess. I'd never in a gazillion years know if some hayseed tree farmer had mentioned JMU in some thread on an appy message board.

Guess we have different priorities on our time...

I know you JMU guys are busy reading poetry this morning or checking your latest academic ranking, or still wondering why you didn't get into UVA, but if you're awake, you might want to see how far you're falling behind in the football arena: http://csnbbs.com/thread-695631.html

Dumb hayseed tree farmer here.

This comment by an Appy fan and the comments in the attached thread is/are well deserved.

Deserved yes, but directed to the wrong group of people. Anyone care to forward their board comments to Jeffy, Charlie, or Jon?

(07-21-2014 05:58 AM)Capt Ed Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 01:08 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-14-2014 12:08 AM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(07-13-2014 02:12 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.

On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."

Do you felel better now?

What is it with the fans of these estimable FBS "powers" that feel the need to come and whip it out over here? We're simply a lowly FCS run-of-the-mill program/school with a half built stadium in a cowpoke town with an incredibly inept administration that has done nothing over the past decade to improve our lot in the heirarchy of college athletics.

What interest do national FBS powers like Appy and the metropolitan Huntington area have with us? I don't often feel the need to go to their boards to offer my opinions...Were we not polite enough in they way we passed on the SB invite, even if it neve happened our the admin simply didn't think it was in the best interest of ALL our sports? Are feelings hurt, is that it? Sheeesh.

When the title of the thread is "Appalachian State's Move to FBS," do you not think that a few Appalachian State fans are going to weigh in?

Do whatever you want, I guess. I'd never in a gazillion years know if some hayseed tree farmer had mentioned JMU in some thread on an appy message board.

Guess we have different priorities on our time...

I know you JMU guys are busy reading poetry this morning or checking your latest academic ranking, or still wondering why you didn't get into UVA, but if you're awake, you might want to see how far you're falling behind in the football arena: http://csnbbs.com/thread-695631.html

Dumb hayseed tree farmer here.

No one ever said dumb. Well, except of course, you. So I'll take your word for it, but personally I give ya'lls a bit more credit than that.

For Mountainmen (is that right?) you sure seem to have a thin pelt.

I come over here from time to time because I have a good friend who is a JMU supporter (I didn't say fan) and I really wish App and JMu were in a conference together. Let me apologize in advance if my being here irritates some who think there is no room for opinion outside the JMU fan base.

Reading this board reminds me of the infighting App folks went through leading up to the FBS move. As someone who has been very active in pushing ASU back to the top level since being kicked down in 1982 I can tell you it has been quite a struggle. It all comes down to leadership. With the insight I've received from my friend and reading the comments on this board it is clear JMU has the same issues App suffered with. Until Ken Peacock became ASU's Chancellor we were just beating our heads against the wall. Not being a career academic gave Ken outside view of the world. He understood the value FBS brings to the entire university. Until JMU has a chancellor who wants to go FBS, you will remain FCS. I don't care what he says. I've read all the comments by your chancellor why JMU is not pursuing FBS at this time. IMO, they are excuses, not reasons.

It's also funny to read the comments about the academic standing of JMU vs the SB schools. We had certain people making the same argument. The reality is they were generated comments made by faculty and administrators who were against moving. We're not going into the SunBelt to participate in the Mensa Bowl, we're going there to play sports.

Everyone has their own opinion of schools which are attractive from a scheduling standpoint. For me the issue has alway been playing schools who have a common commitment to athletics. In the SoCon over half of our opponents were small, private and private like (The Citadel) schools who do not look at athletics the way ASU does. Even the public institutions (Western Carolina and UTC) do not have the emphasis App is dedicated to. The Mountaineers play before home crowds that have averaged in excess of 25,000 since 2005. Taking Ga Southern out of the equation, every SoCon school except one averages less than 10,000 per game. That is simply not the environment App fans want to be associated with, nor is it fair to our players.

I hate to say this but it appears JMU's opportunities to move up are down to one. Yesterday Conference USA commissioner Britton Banowsky said during at CUSA's media day the conference is finished with expansion. “Today we’re kind of on a pivot point,” he said at Conference USA Media Day Wednesday. “Western Kentucky is the last piece of our realignment puzzle. Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher also said yesterday "The MAC is the only FBS school that has neither added or lost an institution member during that time. We have 13 football teams the next two years, then revert back to 12, and I don't anticipate a change to that in the foreseeable future."

With the payout from the FBS playoff to the G5 schools based on a model of 12 schools it seems pretty clear the only spot left is in the SunBelt. With Navy being the 12th football member of the AAC the only thing that could drive further expansion is IF the Big XII decides to move to 12 schools. But that would have a minimal effect due to the prevailing thought BYU would take one of those two slots. I wish you guys luck and would like to see you in the SB.

How does the payout structure effect BCS schools? I wonder because many of them have moved to 14 members, such as the SEC, Big 10 and ACC. The Pac12 is at 12 and the Big 12 is at 10. Assuming that they all want to go 14 to "be alike", that leads to a potential 6 teams being added to the current BCS. 2 out west and 4 in the center of america.

Are they "losing money" by having 14 members and splitting 12 payouts 14 ways?

Realizing that JMU will never be anywhere close to the BCS at any point in the future, I almost hope they break away into another subdivision, leaving most of the G5 behind in a "new FCS level". A lowered source of revenue will hopefully force remaining schools to realize their far-flung conferences are pointless and that they need to mutually reorganize into more geographical conferences and swallow their pride. Will this ever happen? Who the hell knows.