(07-08-2014 09:22 PM)Dukeman Wrote: The strategic success of ODU has highlighted the incompetence of the JMU leadership.
Now we have EW, who will succeed despite the administration, and he will be candid/authentic about their incompetence.
Thankfully, we had a couple alumni step forward to make sure EW was hired, despite the accountants.
Why would EW speak candidly about reporting to a yes man that follows a leader that won't communicate what we can expect from JMU athletics or has closed eyes & ears? I don't see this happening, EW may very well leave for a better job first chance but until then, he will say I love the CAA and FCS football as often as Bourne.
I have not been getting vibes indicating this is his thoughts. He appears to be very tightlipped but body language and actions indicate he is not going to be satisfied playing FCS tackle football. Unlike Bourne and Alger, as they give every impression that we are CAA for life.
Without saying anything, Bourne could be scheduling future games that could clue us in as to the direction he is pushing. As it is, we have no new OOC contracts that haven't been locked in for quite some time.
This doesn't necessarily mean FBS games, if you take a moment to look at ODU, GA Southern, and Appy's scheduling during their transition period, there are a lot of weak opponents. We have the exact same as one could easily predict for 2015 and 2016 as a CAA for life university. If we are not in transition in 2016, then one will not recognized anything different from a MM schedule and ticket prices should be reduced. NEVER HAPPEN!!!
hence he leaves the first chance, no "I love the valley and want to be a JMU/CAA lifer like Bourne & Mathews" from this one...
The CAA is a really good football conference. The games remain entertaining and the talent is excellent. I agree with HR. It would be great if the CAA would move together to FBS and compete with the likes of the Sunbelt, CUSA and MAC. I believe the conference could do so. This would keep the teams together and preserve the rivalries that have developed over the last 25+ years.
As far as JMU's budget goes, does it not show commitment to winning? The school gave MM and is giving Withers a heck of a lot of support. MM used it to maintain an average to above average program. I am hopeful Withers is the guy to show everyone that MM underperformed.
I don't care what level JMU plays at but I do care that they win at any level. That is what will create the most interest in the program. Win the CAA and then win the NC. Nothing but good things will happen after that.
JMU and Delaware are really the only two CAA schools that currently have the resources, facilities, and fan attendance to compete in FBS. The CAA moving as a whole just wouldn't work with schools like Elon, Rhode Island, Richmond, etc being in the conference.
(07-12-2014 08:17 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote: JMU and Delaware are really the only two CAA schools that currently have the resources, facilities, and fan attendance to compete in FBS. The CAA moving as a whole just wouldn't work with schools like Elon, Rhode Island, Richmond, etc being in the conference.
Completely agree. I'm at a loss when I see posters suggesting that the CAA, in its current form, would be a good FBS league. Hopefully our admin is not thinking this way, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are given their track record.
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(07-12-2014 07:41 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I agree with HR. It would be great if the CAA would move together to FBS and compete with the likes of the Sunbelt, CUSA and MAC. I believe the conference could do so.
You are DELUSIONAL...Like about 40-50% of this board. You might be able play with the bottom 3 in each of CUSA, MAC, SB, AAC but to think you could compete with the top teams is absurd.
You could take the top CAA 2 deep talent and best special teams and still wouldn't stay within 4 TDs of Marshall this year. That's not bragging or being a homer, that just the truth. Every magazine and college pundit out there has Marshall going 12-0 and 13-0 after the CUSA championship game and then playing in the Peach or Orange Bowl.
I don't see EW like MM and stay till his welcome has been wore out. If he has a few good years he will move on with the 1st offer that comes his way.
I don't see JMU or Delaware ever moving up. They had their shot with ODU. CUSA commish offered the 3 a package deal and JMU and Delaware said No Thanks, we want to play the Presbyterian, St. Francis and Central Connecticut State's of the world.
(07-12-2014 07:41 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I agree with HR. It would be great if the CAA would move together to FBS and compete with the likes of the Sunbelt, CUSA and MAC. I believe the conference could do so.
You are DELUSIONAL...Like about 40-50% of this board. You might be able play with the bottom 3 in each of CUSA, MAC, SB, AAC but to think you could compete with the top teams is absurd.
You could take the top CAA 2 deep talent and best special teams and still wouldn't stay within 4 TDs of Marshall this year. That's not bragging or being a homer, that just the truth. Every magazine and college pundit out there has Marshall going 12-0 and 13-0 after the CUSA championship game and then playing in the Peach or Orange Bowl.
I don't see EW like MM and stay till his welcome has been wore out. If he has a few good years he will move on with the 1st offer that comes his way.
I don't see JMU or Delaware ever moving up. They had their shot with ODU. CUSA commish offered the 3 a package deal and JMU and Delaware said No Thanks, we want to play the Presbyterian, St. Francis and Central Connecticut State's of the world.
(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote: Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.
Who?
Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?
Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.
On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."
(07-12-2014 07:41 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I agree with HR. It would be great if the CAA would move together to FBS and compete with the likes of the Sunbelt, CUSA and MAC. I believe the conference could do so.
You are DELUSIONAL...Like about 40-50% of this board. You might be able play with the bottom 3 in each of CUSA, MAC, SB, AAC but to think you could compete with the top teams is absurd.
You could take the top CAA 2 deep talent and best special teams and still wouldn't stay within 4 TDs of Marshall this year. That's not bragging or being a homer, that just the truth. Every magazine and college pundit out there has Marshall going 12-0 and 13-0 after the CUSA championship game and then playing in the Peach or Orange Bowl.
I don't see EW like MM and stay till his welcome has been wore out. If he has a few good years he will move on with the 1st offer that comes his way.
I don't see JMU or Delaware ever moving up. They had their shot with ODU. CUSA commish offered the 3 a package deal and JMU and Delaware said No Thanks, we want to play the Presbyterian, St. Francis and Central Connecticut State's of the world.
When is the last time Marshall beat a top ten team ..........
And it would be ridiculous to take all the in the CAA currently , maybe top 8. And after about five years of recruiting they will be able to "compete".
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(07-12-2014 07:41 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I agree with HR. It would be great if the CAA would move together to FBS and compete with the likes of the Sunbelt, CUSA and MAC. I believe the conference could do so.
You are DELUSIONAL...Like about 40-50% of this board. You might be able play with the bottom 3 in each of CUSA, MAC, SB, AAC but to think you could compete with the top teams is absurd.
You could take the top CAA 2 deep talent and best special teams and still wouldn't stay within 4 TDs of Marshall this year. That's not bragging or being a homer, that just the truth. Every magazine and college pundit out there has Marshall going 12-0 and 13-0 after the CUSA championship game and then playing in the Peach or Orange Bowl.
I don't see EW like MM and stay till his welcome has been wore out. If he has a few good years he will move on with the 1st offer that comes his way.
I don't see JMU or Delaware ever moving up. They had their shot with ODU. CUSA commish offered the 3 a package deal and JMU and Delaware said No Thanks, we want to play the Presbyterian, St. Francis and Central Connecticut State's of the world.
(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote: Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.
Who?
Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?
Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.
On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."
Your post would have some validity to it if the majority of JMU fans were the one's not making efforts to go FBS. This is totally on the President, admin and BOV. We the fans have made no bed.
(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote: Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.
Who?
Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?
Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.
On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."
ECU to App State is completely different that ODU to JMU. While ECU has been FBS for a decent amount of time and have had some success, ODU hasn't even played a down as an FBS team. If you surveyed the average Virginian I'd venture to guess that the majority wouldn't know ODU has a football program and would know JMU does. If JMU is still FCS in a few years, then I'm sure ODU will be a more well known program than us.
And of course if most fans had their way, JMU would've moved years ago.
(07-12-2014 04:14 PM)uakronkid Wrote: Speaking of delusional...
You'll get the @$% kicked out of you soon enough on Sept 20th....
(07-12-2014 02:48 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote: Boy, Marshall has one good year and their fans start acting like they're Alabama.
We just started playing Marshall football like we done from 84-04. Yes we had a few down years because we were playing under the 85 scholarship limit and we had a bad president and AD. We get back to 85 with the right leadership and we turn the heat up...
(07-12-2014 05:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote: Who?
Is that the place constantly fighting for WVU's scraps and living in WV's shadow?
Now that's funny right there if I do say so myself. We hired away the man that put the Who's last recruiting class that done anything. That man was Doc Holliday, who recruited Geno Smith, Tavon Austin and Steadman Bailey. He also recruited half their OL and DL.
Since Holliday has been at Marshall (09) he has recruited 24 4Star players, 67 3star players and has had a top 3 class each year in CUSA. And the top CUSA class the last 4. Also 4 top 3 or better NAQ classes:
11 2nd NAQ
12 Top NAQ
13 Top NAQ
14 3rd NAQ
Marshall had a top 10 offense last year (6th) and a top 30 defense (28th).
We have one of the top rated QBs in the nation coming back. Rakeem Cato if he stays healthy will break almost all of Chad Pennington's records sometime during the season.
Enjoy playing Maine, Rhode Island, Richmond and William and Mary for years to come.
(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote: Do you really have much room to talk when JMU now has to live with living in ODU's shadow? App will have to live in ECU's shadow for a while, but we're in the FBS now and we do have a little more room to talk. I'm not trying to throw any rocks here, but when the guy has a point, the guy has a point. You guys have been offered invites multiple times and you turned each of them down. You made your bed, now lie in it until somebody offers whatever you want, if that ever happens.
On that note, I would happily welcome JMU to the Sun Belt with open arms, but some JMU fans believe that anything less than the Big 10 or ACC is just "settling."
You don't need to defend me, but thanks for the back up. Half of these ppl on this board act just like Little Miami (Miami OH) fans. They all think they are superior academically than everywhere else. If they are that good shouldn't they be knocking down the Ivy League doors to get in. My guess is JMU is the place everyone goes when they didn't get in UVA.
They had their chance to get in to IA and turned it down along with ODU and Delaware. ODU took the chance and JMU and Delaware's spots then went to UTSA and Charlotte.
(07-12-2014 06:40 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote: When is the last time Marshall beat a top ten team ..........
That would be Sept 20th 2003. Here's the game:
Marshall 27
#6 K-State 20
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I truly am amazed by the lack of vision of some posters. Every post is always judged in the here and now. Just because HR and I say we would love to see the CAA move up together and compete with the other conferences doesn't mean we believe it will happen and if it did happen that every school would make the move. If the CAA even entertained the idea, there would be several schools that would not make the move.
I think it is possible for the conference to make a move because we don't know what FBS is going to look like in the future. I personally feel that the G5 is going to be nothing more than the bottom 40-50% of the old FBS and many of the FCS schools that moved up over the last 25 years. While the CAA will not be able to compete with the top P5 schools, I do see them competing with the G5 given the same number of scholarships and several recruiting classes.
W&M, UR, Nova and UD all have the resources to move up but they choose not too. These schools all have larger endowments and wealthier alumni than the rest of the CAA. If they really wanted FBS, they can fund it. JMU, Towson and Stony Brook have large enough alumni bases and the ability to enlarge their stadiums should the alumni open their wallet and fund the move. JMU and Towson currently have the two nicest stadiums in the league.
There are many schools currently in FBS with less resources than many of the CAA schools. Many of the football CAA schools are in FCS by choice not because they lack funding. W&M, UR, UD and Nova have far more history than Marshall and far more money. They don't have an FBS program because they do not want it. For those of you that do not know these schools, they are among some of the oldest schools in our country with a long tradition and strong endowments. Money is not an issue for them.
(07-13-2014 08:24 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I truly am amazed by the lack of vision of some posters. Every post is always judged in the here and now. Just because HR and I say we would love to see the CAA move up together and compete with the other conferences doesn't mean we believe it will happen and if it did happen that every school would make the move. If the CAA even entertained the idea, there would be several schools that would not make the move.
I think it is possible for the conference to make a move because we don't know what FBS is going to look like in the future. I personally feel that the G5 is going to be nothing more than the bottom 40-50% of the old FBS and many of the FCS schools that moved up over the last 25 years. While the CAA will not be able to compete with the top P5 schools, I do see them competing with the G5 given the same number of scholarships and several recruiting classes.
W&M, UR, Nova and UD all have the resources to move up but they choose not too. These schools all have larger endowments and wealthier alumni than the rest of the CAA. If they really wanted FBS, they can fund it. JMU, Towson and Stony Brook have large enough alumni bases and the ability to enlarge their stadiums should the alumni open their wallet and fund the move. JMU and Towson currently have the two nicest stadiums in the league.
There are many schools currently in FBS with less resources than many of the CAA schools. Many of the football CAA schools are in FCS by choice not because they lack funding. W&M, UR, UD and Nova have far more history than Marshall and far more money. They don't have an FBS program because they do not want it. For those of you that do not know these schools, they are among some of the oldest schools in our country with a long tradition and strong endowments. Money is not an issue for them.
I think you just made the argument for those of us that are saying the idea of moving the CAA up is absurd on its face. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that schools like UR and W&M have any interest in moving to FBS now or anytime down the road. UR just spent a lot of money to build a very small, quaint stadium on campus that can't expand to meet FBS requirements, so they are outright saying they're happy staying in FCS for the long haul. That is totally fine, so what does it matter whether or not they have the capital to fund the move? Same for W&M. There are just not enough schools in the CAA that, together, have the resources AND the possible desire to move up, so hoping for the conference to move up together is a pipe dream and one that I hope our inept admin has given up on as well.
To suggest that others on here don't have "vision" because of this is a bit extreme. Many of us have a "vision" for JMU but also realize that, in business or life, you have to also have a practical, executable plan that will allow you to attain your goals/vision. Sitting back hoping that the cards will fall in your favor is not an effective strategy. I feel that our admin has failed miserably on creating a clear, attainable strategy with actionable steps/tasks needed to reach that goal and has rather employed this strategy of sitting and waiting/hoping for the cards to fall in our favor rather than taking risks and incremental steps needed to reach our ultimate goal.
(This post was last modified: 07-13-2014 09:28 AM by atljmualum.)
(07-13-2014 08:24 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I truly am amazed by the lack of vision of some posters. Every post is always judged in the here and now. Just because HR and I say we would love to see the CAA move up together and compete with the other conferences doesn't mean we believe it will happen and if it did happen that every school would make the move. If the CAA even entertained the idea, there would be several schools that would not make the move.
I think it is possible for the conference to make a move because we don't know what FBS is going to look like in the future. I personally feel that the G5 is going to be nothing more than the bottom 40-50% of the old FBS and many of the FCS schools that moved up over the last 25 years. While the CAA will not be able to compete with the top P5 schools, I do see them competing with the G5 given the same number of scholarships and several recruiting classes.
W&M, UR, Nova and UD all have the resources to move up but they choose not too. These schools all have larger endowments and wealthier alumni than the rest of the CAA. If they really wanted FBS, they can fund it. JMU, Towson and Stony Brook have large enough alumni bases and the ability to enlarge their stadiums should the alumni open their wallet and fund the move. JMU and Towson currently have the two nicest stadiums in the league.
There are many schools currently in FBS with less resources than many of the CAA schools. Many of the football CAA schools are in FCS by choice not because they lack funding. W&M, UR, UD and Nova have far more history than Marshall and far more money. They don't have an FBS program because they do not want it. For those of you that do not know these schools, they are among some of the oldest schools in our country with a long tradition and strong endowments. Money is not an issue for them.
I think you just made the argument for those of us that are saying the idea of moving the CAA up is absurd on its face. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that schools like UR and W&M have any interest in moving to FBS now or anytime down the road. UR just spent a lot of money to build a very small, quaint stadium on campus that can't expand to meet FBS requirements, so they are outright saying they're happy staying in FCS for the long haul. That is totally fine, so what does it matter whether or not they have the capital to fund the move? Same for W&M. There are just not enough schools in the CAA that, together, have the resources AND the possible desire to move up, so hoping for the conference to move up together is a pipe dream and one that I hope our inept admin has given up on as well.
To suggest that others on here don't have "vision" because of this is a bit extreme. Many of us have a "vision" for JMU but also realize that, in business or life, you have to also have a practical, executable plan that will allow you to attain your goals/vision. Sitting back hoping that the cards will fall in your favor is not an effective strategy. I feel that our admin has failed miserably on creating a clear, attainable strategy with actionable steps/tasks needed to reach that goal and has rather employed this strategy of sitting and waiting/hoping for the cards to fall in our favor rather than taking risks and incremental steps needed to reach our ultimate goal.
It was a hypothetically , and the NCAA needs to do away with the stadium requirement and etc. i just want JMU football to win games, that transition to FBS will be brutal for me. I couldn't watch that UNC-ODU game last year.
(07-13-2014 08:24 AM)JMUNation Wrote: I truly am amazed by the lack of vision of some posters. Every post is always judged in the here and now. Just because HR and I say we would love to see the CAA move up together and compete with the other conferences doesn't mean we believe it will happen and if it did happen that every school would make the move. If the CAA even entertained the idea, there would be several schools that would not make the move.
I think it is possible for the conference to make a move because we don't know what FBS is going to look like in the future. I personally feel that the G5 is going to be nothing more than the bottom 40-50% of the old FBS and many of the FCS schools that moved up over the last 25 years. While the CAA will not be able to compete with the top P5 schools, I do see them competing with the G5 given the same number of scholarships and several recruiting classes.
W&M, UR, Nova and UD all have the resources to move up but they choose not too. These schools all have larger endowments and wealthier alumni than the rest of the CAA. If they really wanted FBS, they can fund it. JMU, Towson and Stony Brook have large enough alumni bases and the ability to enlarge their stadiums should the alumni open their wallet and fund the move. JMU and Towson currently have the two nicest stadiums in the league.
There are many schools currently in FBS with less resources than many of the CAA schools. Many of the football CAA schools are in FCS by choice not because they lack funding. W&M, UR, UD and Nova have far more history than Marshall and far more money. They don't have an FBS program because they do not want it. For those of you that do not know these schools, they are among some of the oldest schools in our country with a long tradition and strong endowments. Money is not an issue for them.
I think you just made the argument for those of us that are saying the idea of moving the CAA up is absurd on its face. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that schools like UR and W&M have any interest in moving to FBS now or anytime down the road. UR just spent a lot of money to build a very small, quaint stadium on campus that can't expand to meet FBS requirements, so they are outright saying they're happy staying in FCS for the long haul. That is totally fine, so what does it matter whether or not they have the capital to fund the move? Same for W&M. There are just not enough schools in the CAA that, together, have the resources AND the possible desire to move up, so hoping for the conference to move up together is a pipe dream and one that I hope our inept admin has given up on as well.
To suggest that others on here don't have "vision" because of this is a bit extreme. Many of us have a "vision" for JMU but also realize that, in business or life, you have to also have a practical, executable plan that will allow you to attain your goals/vision. Sitting back hoping that the cards will fall in your favor is not an effective strategy. I feel that our admin has failed miserably on creating a clear, attainable strategy with actionable steps/tasks needed to reach that goal and has rather employed this strategy of sitting and waiting/hoping for the cards to fall in our favor rather than taking risks and incremental steps needed to reach our ultimate goal.
It was a hypothetically , and the NCAA needs to do away with the stadium requirement and etc. i just want JMU football to win games, that transition to FBS will be brutal for me. I couldn't watch that UNC-ODU game last year.
Fair enough, but Nation's statement about people on here "lacking vision" does not suggest that it's simply a hypothetical, which is why I responded the way I did. There's a difference in having vision vs a dream. The latter is what JMU's current leadership appears to have.
I don't think you have anything to worry about. I think it's highly unlikely we move FBS anytime in the near future.
(This post was last modified: 07-13-2014 11:17 AM by atljmualum.)
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