Tom.....yo, Tommy Boy.....ya there?

Quote:IRS Was Required By Law to Print Out Lois Lerner’s Emails

The Internal Revenue Service is required by federal law to keep records of all agency emails and to print out hard copies of the emails to make sure they get saved in the event of a computer glitch.

IRS recently claimed that it lost 24,000 of 67,000 emails that ex-official Lois Lerner sent between 2009 and 2011, due to a computer crash. The IRS, which agreed to turn over all of Lerner’s emails to the House Committee on Ways and Means, specifically lost emails Lerner sent to other Obama administration agencies and the White House. Lerner is a major figure in the targeting scandal that has hit the IRS.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama’s press secretary, Josh Earnest, backed up the IRS’s claim of a computer crash. The IRS claimed that it is currently working to retrieve the emails by working with the other agencies, which are not obligated by the IRS’s agreement with the Ways and Means Committee to cooperate.

“The [Federal Records Act] requires agencies to make and preserve records of agency decisions, policies, and essential transactions, and to take steps to safeguard against the loss of agency records,” said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, who subpoenaed IRS Commissioner John Koskinen Monday.

The IRS’s own definition of the Federal Records Act makes clear that emails must be saved and documented, according to an instructional page for employees on the IRS website.

“The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media,” according to the IRS. “Emails are records when they are: Created or received in the transaction of agency business; Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities; or Valuable because of the information they contain.”

“If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly,” according to the IRS. “The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy.”

“Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record,” the IRS stated. “Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.”

Losing all evidence of agency emails, therefore, is a violation of federal law.

Even without the required printed-out copies, it appears that the IRS has Lerner’s emails saved.

http://tomfernandez28.com/2014/06/17/irs...rs-emails/

(06-19-2014 04:33 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 04:11 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 03:50 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 03:11 PM)gdunn Wrote:  [quote='Redwingtom' pid='10846640' dateline='1403207819']
I posted this a couple days ago...but it appears not many read it:

Here’s how the IRS lost emails from key witness Lois Lerner


Seriously, is there anyone out there that doesn't think that the IRS is incompetent enough to actually have a procedure so bad? If not, it will be the first time in recorded history that you have expected a big government agency to work like the real world.

I read it. I think it's more or less fabricated. There's something she doesn't want out, whether it's something that will put her under the jail for the rest of her life or its on someone she either supported politically or a higher up she answered to.

That story is a complete fail because practically everyone has a limit on their inbox. That has nothing to do with the size of the archive on the server. You do not delete the archive due to a mailbox size.

Also, the head of the IRS testified in March that they have the emails, and that they are on a server. This is exactly what everyone who is not an obama administration nut-hugger has been saying.

If they have the e-mails, then why all the bitching?

because you liberals are nervous. it's what you do when you get nervous, ***** and name call.

Quote:And they very well may have had a policy of deletion since they also had a policy that certain e-mails were to be kept in hard copy.

Quote:all emails were to be hard filed as well. thats an archaic law, but it was still the law. so those should be available as well. They are probably located in a storage chamber next to the arc of the covenant

[quote].

And servers aren't an infinite source of storage. They still have limits. When that limit was reached, the e-mails were kicked back to the employees machine where they were to be stored, printed, or deleted. Again, per policy.

no true. the head of the irs admitted in march that louis lerners emails are on a server.


so here's the timeline again:

IRS: Louis lerner had a disk crash, so we lost all her emails from 2009 to 2011

PUBLIC: ok, just retrieve them from the server

IRS: We cant, we reused the backup tapes, so they are lost.

PUBLIC: the backup tapes are not the server. just retrieve them from the server

IRS: We also tried to get them from Louis' crashed hard drive, but couldn't

PUBLIC: ok, give us the hard drive and we'll get the data off of it

IRS: We cant, we dont know where the drive is

PUBLIC: No problem, here's a list of people within the IRS that Louis emailed in 2009-2011, just send us those emails from those recipients system. Louis' disk drive crash would not affect those people.

IRS: Oops, those people also had a disk drive crash

PUBLIC: no problem, cause like we said before, you can just get them from the server

IRS: Louis Lerner had a disk crash

PUBLIC: listen up, numbnuts, just get the emails from the server

IRS: Crickets

yep

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(06-19-2014 03:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Lois Lerner is going to be just fine. The GOP would love to send her to jail to protect their dark money schemes, but that won't happen. She did her job properly and is finding out how much right-wingers hate that.

Not even YOU are this stupid.

Epic fail

(06-19-2014 03:46 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Ungrad's prognostications are epic fail. He amounts to the soothsayer of sh1t.

What a transparent joke he is here.

Meghan Kelly reporting that of the "other 6" IRS officials, one was the Chief of Staff to Steven Miller (Nicole Flacks), former head of the IRS. Ms Flacks was a frequent visitor to the White House (dozens of times) for whom there is evidence that she proposed prosecuting criminally several of these groups...........

Smelling more rotten by the day.........

(06-19-2014 02:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I posted this a couple days ago...but it appears not many read it:

Here’s how the IRS lost emails from key witness Lois Lerner

Quote:Prior to the eruption of the IRS controversy last spring, the IRS had a policy of backing up the data on its email server (which runs Microsoft Outlook) every day. It kept a backup of the records for six months on digital tape, according to a letter sent from the IRS to Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). After six months, the IRS would reuse those tapes for newer backups. So when Congressional committees began requesting emails from the agency, its records only went back to late 2012.

The IRS also had two other policies that complicated things. The first was a limit on how big its employees' email inboxes could be. At the IRS, employees could keep 500 megabytes of data on the email server. If the mailbox got too big, email would need to be deleted or moved to a local folder on the user's computer.

Emails considered an "official record" of the IRS couldn't be deleted and, in fact, needed to also have a hard copy filed. Those emails that constitute an official record are ones that are loosely defined under IRS policy as ones that were "[c]reated or received in the transaction of agency business," "appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government's function or activities," or "valuable because of the information they contain". The letter sent to the senators suggests that it was up to the user to determine what emails met those standards. It's not clear if Lerner had any hard copies of important emails.

Seriously, is there anyone out there that doesn't think that the IRS is incompetent enough to actually have a procedure so bad? If not, it will be the first time in recorded history that you have expected a big government agency to work like the real world.

And yet the Obama Administration hands over to this big government agency (aka band of incompetents/miscreants) a major role in the enforcement of the ACA.

Brilliant. They can't properly archive and back up and yet they are going to track and enforce a major element of the ACA. Utter Genius!

(06-19-2014 08:37 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Meghan Kelly reporting that of the "other 6" IRS officials, one was the Chief of Staff to Steven Miller (Nicole Flacks), former head of the IRS. Ms Flacks was a frequent visitor to the White House (dozens of times) for whom there is evidence that she proposed prosecuting criminally several of these groups...........

Smelling more rotten by the day.........

If Flacks is involved in the emailing then the breadcrumb trail goes to the Whitehouse. Guess we know why the Lerner hard drive (cough, cough) crashed.

(06-19-2014 08:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Tom.....yo, Tommy Boy.....ya there?

Quote:IRS Was Required By Law to Print Out Lois Lerner’s Emails

The Internal Revenue Service is required by federal law to keep records of all agency emails and to print out hard copies of the emails to make sure they get saved in the event of a computer glitch.

IRS recently claimed that it lost 24,000 of 67,000 emails that ex-official Lois Lerner sent between 2009 and 2011, due to a computer crash. The IRS, which agreed to turn over all of Lerner’s emails to the House Committee on Ways and Means, specifically lost emails Lerner sent to other Obama administration agencies and the White House. Lerner is a major figure in the targeting scandal that has hit the IRS.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama’s press secretary, Josh Earnest, backed up the IRS’s claim of a computer crash. The IRS claimed that it is currently working to retrieve the emails by working with the other agencies, which are not obligated by the IRS’s agreement with the Ways and Means Committee to cooperate.

“The [Federal Records Act] requires agencies to make and preserve records of agency decisions, policies, and essential transactions, and to take steps to safeguard against the loss of agency records,” said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, who subpoenaed IRS Commissioner John Koskinen Monday.

The IRS’s own definition of the Federal Records Act makes clear that emails must be saved and documented, according to an instructional page for employees on the IRS website.

“The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media,” according to the IRS. “Emails are records when they are: Created or received in the transaction of agency business; Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities; or Valuable because of the information they contain.”

“If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly,” according to the IRS. “The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy.”

“Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record,” the IRS stated. “Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.”

Losing all evidence of agency emails, therefore, is a violation of federal law.

Even without the required printed-out copies, it appears that the IRS has Lerner’s emails saved.

http://tomfernandez28.com/2014/06/17/irs...rs-emails/

Lol.

Awesome. This schit just got real (assuming this is accurate) for a WHOOOOLE bunch of peoples.

There's a collective butt-puckering going on right now in the DeeCee.

Haha, great. Bring them to their knees. All of them.

(06-19-2014 08:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(06-19-2014 03:38 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Lois Lerner is going to be just fine. The GOP would love to send her to jail to protect their dark money schemes, but that won't happen. She did her job properly and is finding out how much right-wingers hate that.

Not even YOU are this stupid.

Epic fail

Spoiler alert: He IS this stupid!!!!!!!

Wonder if these hard drives started crashing after visits from the plumbers.

The president will say that he has it covered and that because she broke the rules she will be fired and that's that.

Or as Tommiedude said on tv "that's old news".

(06-19-2014 11:24 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  The president will say that he has it covered and that because she broke the rules she will be fired and that's that.

Or as Tommiedude said on tv "that's old news".

Ummmm...speaking of old news.

Quote:9/23/13 ~ Lois Lerner, a central figure in the Internal Revenue Service’s tea party controversy, resigned Monday morning

Central figure in IRS tea party controversy resigns

(06-19-2014 08:25 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Tom.....yo, Tommy Boy.....ya there?

Quote:IRS Was Required By Law to Print Out Lois Lerner’s Emails

The Internal Revenue Service is required by federal law to keep records of all agency emails and to print out hard copies of the emails to make sure they get saved in the event of a computer glitch.

IRS recently claimed that it lost 24,000 of 67,000 emails that ex-official Lois Lerner sent between 2009 and 2011, due to a computer crash. The IRS, which agreed to turn over all of Lerner’s emails to the House Committee on Ways and Means, specifically lost emails Lerner sent to other Obama administration agencies and the White House. Lerner is a major figure in the targeting scandal that has hit the IRS.

Meanwhile, President Barack Obama’s press secretary, Josh Earnest, backed up the IRS’s claim of a computer crash. The IRS claimed that it is currently working to retrieve the emails by working with the other agencies, which are not obligated by the IRS’s agreement with the Ways and Means Committee to cooperate.

“The [Federal Records Act] requires agencies to make and preserve records of agency decisions, policies, and essential transactions, and to take steps to safeguard against the loss of agency records,” said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, who subpoenaed IRS Commissioner John Koskinen Monday.

The IRS’s own definition of the Federal Records Act makes clear that emails must be saved and documented, according to an instructional page for employees on the IRS website.

“The Federal Records Act applies to email records just as it does to records you create using other media,” according to the IRS. “Emails are records when they are: Created or received in the transaction of agency business; Appropriate for preservation as evidence of the government’s function and activities; or Valuable because of the information they contain.”

“If you create or receive email messages during the course of your daily work, you are responsible for ensuring that you manage them properly,” according to the IRS. “The Treasury Department’s current email policy requires emails and attachments that meet the definition of a federal record be added to the organization’s files by printing them (including the essential transmission data) and filing them with related paper records. If transmission and receipt data are not printed by the email system, annotate the paper copy.”

“Please note that maintaining a copy of an email or its attachments within the IRS email MS Outlook application does not meet the requirements of maintaining an official record,” the IRS stated. “Therefore, print and file email and its attachments if they are either permanent records or if they relate to a specific case.”

Losing all evidence of agency emails, therefore, is a violation of federal law.

Even without the required printed-out copies, it appears that the IRS has Lerner’s emails saved.

http://tomfernandez28.com/2014/06/17/irs...rs-emails/

Steve...are you there? I've already mentioned this. Several times.

(06-19-2014 10:18 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Wonder if these hard drives started crashing after visits from the plumbers.

Likely the works of the "plumbers."
Hopefully the 2014 version of deep throat is out there waiting to squeal.

It's quite telling that so many are so hopeful that our President committed crimes worthy of impeachment.

USA
USA
USA
USA

Sickening.

(06-20-2014 08:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's quite telling that so many are so hopeful that our President committed crimes worthy of impeachment.

USA
USA
USA
USA

Sickening.

Very reminiscent of the 1973-74 period.

(06-20-2014 08:07 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's quite telling that so many are so hopeful that our President committed crimes worthy of impeachment.

USA
USA
USA
USA

Sickening.

What has he/his administration done to build loyalty/support/confidence from the American people such that they would give him the benefit of the doubt and assume innocence?

He has allowed the NSA to invade our privacy.
He has put his government in charge of our healthcare and health insurance decision making.
His IRS has exploited their purpose for political reasons.
He traded 5 really bad Al Quaeda bad guys for one likely deserter.
He left 4 Americans to die at the Benghazi consulate.
The economy is still in the crapper.
He has left the borders open and invited illegals to invade our sovereign country with little likelihood of prosecution.
He traded weapons to Mexican drug lords.
If I thought about it longer I'm certain I could come up with other wonderful achievements.

Yep. Those kinds of activities are just the thing to engender loyalty.

Why hasn't Obama resigned yet and ended our national nightmare.

(06-20-2014 08:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Why hasn't Obama resigned yet and ended our national nightmare.

because then Vice President Dumb A$$ GaffeBot would begin a new, even worse national nightmare.

(06-20-2014 08:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Why hasn't Obama resigned yet and ended our national nightmare.

The answer