(04-03-2014 09:46 PM)yesman815 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 06:02 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-03-2014 05:12 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  But he's not going to stick. Too small, slow and/or inexperienced for other positions.

Generally speaking that may be true but there are tons of cases of guys running bad 40 times or switching positions and being extremely successful in the NFL. I don't think he's going to be starting many games or seeing much of the field, and I don't know if he'll even make an active roster, but ruling it out completely is kind of ridiculous.

Give me the last QB that moved to Safety, WR, or RB with a 4.6-4.8 - 40 time

Please....

Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

(04-04-2014 10:53 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

Tom Brady ran a 5.28 40 yard dash and look at him

(04-04-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:53 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

When you have the skill set and instincts of a player like Jerry Rice who honed his craft with years and years of perfecting his skill 40 doesn't matter much.

Someone like Lynch who is going to be new to the positions he is trying out for needs a fast 40 time to help pique interest in him. I fail to see any position he could play in the NFL. It's laughable that some people have him pegged as this slot receiver/RB, even as a 3rd stringer, hybrid.

Jordan Lynch = Tim Tyrell

(04-04-2014 12:13 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:53 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

When you have the skill set and instincts of a player like Jerry Rice who honed his craft with years and years of perfecting his skill 40 doesn't matter much.

Someone like Lynch who is going to be new to the positions he is trying out for needs a fast 40 time to help pique interest in him. I fail to see any position he could play in the NFL. It's laughable that some people have him pegged as this slot receiver/RB, even as a 3rd stringer, hybrid.

If you get to your 3rd stringers at any position you're usually screwed. Bears 2012 3rd stringers were Matt Blanchard at QB(I'd take Lynch over him), Khalil Bell at RB (4.78 40, 210 lbs. now out of the league) and Dane Sanzenbacher(4.6 40, now out of the league). As a GM you'd rather take up 3 roster spots on meaningless players when you could use 1 for that?

BTW, Bell lasted 4 years in the league with 4.78 40 speed at 210 lbs. 40 times are somewhat over rated when when its 2 tenths either side of 4.5. Wolfe ran a 4.40 and I recall a 33 year old Charles Woodsen running him down from behind. Actually I recall Wolfe getting caught from behind twice at Ohio state. Apples and oranges but I honestly can't recall Lynch ever getting caught from behind. Not saying he's a burner but he has good football speed.

Lynch doesn't have the experience playing the other positions. I'd rather have the players with the experience.

An NFL team won't waste a roster spot to develop him while he learns the ropes. As a QB I'd imagine he has little no experience blocking and running routes, it's not something he can just pick up in a couple months. The guys that do switch have physical gifts like great speed to be able to mask their little experience doing it. Lynch doesn't have it.

That's the point of his versatility. You're not waisting a spot, youre saving one. As in 2012, you'd cut Blanchard and Bell and have Lynch and an open spot for someone else at O-line, LB, safety etc. You can carry a K.Bell if you want, but if need be I'd just call up any back off my practice squad and get the same productivity and quality. Same with your 3rd QB. At some point you have to weigh college productivity...unprecedented productivity...vs a disappointing 40.

(04-04-2014 10:43 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  That's the point of his versatility. You're not waisting a spot, youre saving one. As in 2012, you'd cut Blanchard and Bell and have Lynch and an open spot for someone else at O-line, LB, safety etc. You can carry a K.Bell if you want, but if need be I'd just call up any back off my practice squad and get the same productivity and quality. Same with your 3rd QB. At some point you have to weigh college productivity...unprecedented productivity...vs a disappointing 40.

This has nothing to do about his 40.

He has limited skills and no experience playing WR or RB. Give me the guy who has had several years playing the positions over the guy who is learning on the fly over the summer. He's a developmental player.

(04-04-2014 10:52 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:43 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  That's the point of his versatility. You're not waisting a spot, youre saving one. As in 2012, you'd cut Blanchard and Bell and have Lynch and an open spot for someone else at O-line, LB, safety etc. You can carry a K.Bell if you want, but if need be I'd just call up any back off my practice squad and get the same productivity and quality. Same with your 3rd QB. At some point you have to weigh college productivity...unprecedented productivity...vs a disappointing 40.

This has nothing to do about his 40.

He has limited skills and no experience playing WR or RB. Give me the guy who has had several years playing the positions over the guy who is learning on the fly over the summer. He's a developmental player.

I'm a bit confused how a guy with limited skills and no experience at running back rushed for 3,800 yards in 2 seasons? While he is a developmental guy, aren't almost all rookies(except RB)? Isn't that why we wait 3 years to judge a draft? I'd say your confusing mastering a position with just learning one. Kyle Long played 4 games at tackle in college. Pro bowl as a rookie. Football players can play football. Jordan can learn blitz pick up and A-gaps in OTA's. Especially since there's a 90% chance he'd never be needed. He's a project for sure. But while he develops he can be a great special teamer and be there for emergency duty. Almost no risk, but possibly some reward for a 7th round pick. Bell and Blanchard werent the key to a super bowl run in 2012. Neither would this years 3rd stringers.

This is a waste of time because you think college production translates to NFL productivity.

You're more than a bit confused.

"This is a waste of time because you think college production translates to NFL productivity."

Said the GM who drafted Mike Mamula

(04-05-2014 07:25 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  "This is a waste of time because you think college production translates to NFL productivity."

Said the GM who drafted Mike Mamula

Good one.

(04-04-2014 09:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 12:13 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:53 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

When you have the skill set and instincts of a player like Jerry Rice who honed his craft with years and years of perfecting his skill 40 doesn't matter much.

Someone like Lynch who is going to be new to the positions he is trying out for needs a fast 40 time to help pique interest in him. I fail to see any position he could play in the NFL. It's laughable that some people have him pegged as this slot receiver/RB, even as a 3rd stringer, hybrid.

If you get to your 3rd stringers at any position you're usually screwed. Bears 2012 3rd stringers were Matt Blanchard at QB(I'd take Lynch over him), Khalil Bell at RB (4.78 40, 210 lbs. now out of the league) and Dane Sanzenbacher(4.6 40, now out of the league). As a GM you'd rather take up 3 roster spots on meaningless players when you could use 1 for that?

BTW, Bell lasted 4 years in the league with 4.78 40 speed at 210 lbs. 40 times are somewhat over rated when when its 2 tenths either side of 4.5. Wolfe ran a 4.40 and I recall a 33 year old Charles Woodsen running him down from behind. Actually I recall Wolfe getting caught from behind twice at Ohio state. Apples and oranges but I honestly can't recall Lynch ever getting caught from behind. Not saying he's a burner but he has good football speed.

I don't ever remember Wolfe being caught from behind in college. Maybe once. There were times when Wolfe slowed to wait for a block and got tackled from behind. There were other times when a guy had the angle on him, or was right there and able to tackle him before he got up to speed. But nobody was 2 steps behind and catching up to him if Wolfe was running at full speed. Wolfe was at least as fast as Lynch, and he got up to speed faster.

(04-05-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 09:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 12:13 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:53 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

When you have the skill set and instincts of a player like Jerry Rice who honed his craft with years and years of perfecting his skill 40 doesn't matter much.

Someone like Lynch who is going to be new to the positions he is trying out for needs a fast 40 time to help pique interest in him. I fail to see any position he could play in the NFL. It's laughable that some people have him pegged as this slot receiver/RB, even as a 3rd stringer, hybrid.

If you get to your 3rd stringers at any position you're usually screwed. Bears 2012 3rd stringers were Matt Blanchard at QB(I'd take Lynch over him), Khalil Bell at RB (4.78 40, 210 lbs. now out of the league) and Dane Sanzenbacher(4.6 40, now out of the league). As a GM you'd rather take up 3 roster spots on meaningless players when you could use 1 for that?

BTW, Bell lasted 4 years in the league with 4.78 40 speed at 210 lbs. 40 times are somewhat over rated when when its 2 tenths either side of 4.5. Wolfe ran a 4.40 and I recall a 33 year old Charles Woodsen running him down from behind. Actually I recall Wolfe getting caught from behind twice at Ohio state. Apples and oranges but I honestly can't recall Lynch ever getting caught from behind. Not saying he's a burner but he has good football speed.

I don't ever remember Wolfe being caught from behind in college. Maybe once. There were times when Wolfe slowed to wait for a block and got tackled from behind. There were other times when a guy had the angle on him, or was right there and able to tackle him before he got up to speed. But nobody was 2 steps behind and catching up to him if Wolfe was running at full speed. Wolfe was at least as fast as Lynch, and he got up to speed faster.

My freshman year at NIU was 06 so I only watched Wolfe closely that season, but I can't help but think Wolfe was a hell of a lot faster than Lynch. That's saying a lot, because Lynch is pretty fast. Maybe "quick" is a better way to describe Wolfe, though.

(04-05-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 09:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 12:13 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 10:53 AM)niusfactuary Wrote:  Edelman was a 4.52
Michael Robinson was 4.57
Ronald Curry 4.59
Cribbs was a 4.55

4.6 wouldn't be a terrible time. Surprised Cribbs wasn't better.

Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

When you have the skill set and instincts of a player like Jerry Rice who honed his craft with years and years of perfecting his skill 40 doesn't matter much.

Someone like Lynch who is going to be new to the positions he is trying out for needs a fast 40 time to help pique interest in him. I fail to see any position he could play in the NFL. It's laughable that some people have him pegged as this slot receiver/RB, even as a 3rd stringer, hybrid.

If you get to your 3rd stringers at any position you're usually screwed. Bears 2012 3rd stringers were Matt Blanchard at QB(I'd take Lynch over him), Khalil Bell at RB (4.78 40, 210 lbs. now out of the league) and Dane Sanzenbacher(4.6 40, now out of the league). As a GM you'd rather take up 3 roster spots on meaningless players when you could use 1 for that?

BTW, Bell lasted 4 years in the league with 4.78 40 speed at 210 lbs. 40 times are somewhat over rated when when its 2 tenths either side of 4.5. Wolfe ran a 4.40 and I recall a 33 year old Charles Woodsen running him down from behind. Actually I recall Wolfe getting caught from behind twice at Ohio state. Apples and oranges but I honestly can't recall Lynch ever getting caught from behind. Not saying he's a burner but he has good football speed.

I don't ever remember Wolfe being caught from behind in college. Maybe once. There were times when Wolfe slowed to wait for a block and got tackled from behind. There were other times when a guy had the angle on him, or was right there and able to tackle him before he got up to speed. But nobody was 2 steps behind and catching up to him if Wolfe was running at full speed. Wolfe was at least as fast as Lynch, and he got up to speed faster.

I only compared Wolfe and Lynch's speed in regards to their 40xs. Wolfe is faster than Lynch yes, but not as much as we would think when we see Wolfe 4.40 and Lynch 4.76. And Wolfe still got caught from behind because his 40 times isn't exactly indicative of his top end speed. Here's Wolfe getting caught 3x's that i found and pieced together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsl6RNsshBg

(04-06-2014 11:57 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 04:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 09:13 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 12:13 PM)PrideinthePack Wrote:  

(04-04-2014 11:27 AM)armour248 Wrote:  Jerry Rice ran a 4.69. 40 times are over hyped and over analyzed.

When you have the skill set and instincts of a player like Jerry Rice who honed his craft with years and years of perfecting his skill 40 doesn't matter much.

Someone like Lynch who is going to be new to the positions he is trying out for needs a fast 40 time to help pique interest in him. I fail to see any position he could play in the NFL. It's laughable that some people have him pegged as this slot receiver/RB, even as a 3rd stringer, hybrid.

If you get to your 3rd stringers at any position you're usually screwed. Bears 2012 3rd stringers were Matt Blanchard at QB(I'd take Lynch over him), Khalil Bell at RB (4.78 40, 210 lbs. now out of the league) and Dane Sanzenbacher(4.6 40, now out of the league). As a GM you'd rather take up 3 roster spots on meaningless players when you could use 1 for that?

BTW, Bell lasted 4 years in the league with 4.78 40 speed at 210 lbs. 40 times are somewhat over rated when when its 2 tenths either side of 4.5. Wolfe ran a 4.40 and I recall a 33 year old Charles Woodsen running him down from behind. Actually I recall Wolfe getting caught from behind twice at Ohio state. Apples and oranges but I honestly can't recall Lynch ever getting caught from behind. Not saying he's a burner but he has good football speed.

I don't ever remember Wolfe being caught from behind in college. Maybe once. There were times when Wolfe slowed to wait for a block and got tackled from behind. There were other times when a guy had the angle on him, or was right there and able to tackle him before he got up to speed. But nobody was 2 steps behind and catching up to him if Wolfe was running at full speed. Wolfe was at least as fast as Lynch, and he got up to speed faster.

I only compared Wolfe and Lynch's speed in regards to their 40xs. Wolfe is faster than Lynch yes, but not as much as we would think when we see Wolfe 4.40 and Lynch 4.76. And Wolfe still got caught from behind because his 40 times isn't exactly indicative of his top end speed. Here's Wolfe getting caught 3x's that i found and pieced together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsl6RNsshBg

On the first one the guy had the angle on Wolfe so he was able to bring him down. He was just as fast as Wolfe, but not faster. The 2nd clip, against Miami was a better example but the guy still had to dive at Wolfe's legs to have a chance to get him, and he only did that because Wolfe was nearing the endzone and it was his last chance to get him. Actually, I remember Wolfe saying afterward that he was watching himself on the big screen on that run, and that he shouldn't do that anymore. The third one, the guy was still right there, it's not like he really caught up to Wolfe.

Lynch got caught from behind but many times Lynch shrugged off the tackle, where Wolfe would go down. I would agree that the difference in their 40 times looks bigger than it does on the football field.

In the first clip the guy who had the angle was not the one who tackled Wolfe. It was #20, the corner who Garrett ran by at full speed. 20 spins out of his back peddle and makes up 2-3 yards over the next 30 to make the tackle. But Wolfe still had plenty of speed to succeed in the NFL. Sucks how his career unfolded.

He didn't gain on Wolfe at all until Wolfe veered to try to avoid the guy coming from across the field.

If we are comparing Lynch to Wolfe when it comes to the NFL it isn't a good sign.