Quote:but a regular student who receives an academic scholarship to Harvard, but then finds out he can't handle the course work and his grades aren't up to snuff is forced out.

I assume there are clear objective requirements of that student to keep the funding that would be laid out ahead of time before receiving the funds. Be it keeping a minimum GPA or whatever the requirements are. If they hold up their end of the bargain of which they are mostly in control of, they get to keep going.

The agreement in that case is known and agreed upon ahead of time.

Why does Darren White get run off? Certainly wasn't his basketball ability.

I don't like all the power being in the hands of coaches who make hundreds of thousands of dollars (millions in some cases) while the "student-athletes" have no power at all. The coaches leave for a new job, and the new coach can run you off or if you transfer you have to sit out a year.

Under the current format I am all aboard with running off the guys who suck, Brady has to do it to make up for the awful freshman class he signed. College athletics are a business, albeit one where true market value isn't afforded to the players. Some players should be getting more than a scholly, others should be happy to be getting one.

I still don't like it, and I do feel bad for the people who get run off. That is my main point.

I disagree with JMUNation on how a player run off and their parents should feel about the situation.

I also watched a special on the big business of the NCAA last night so I am extra sensitive to the plight of the "student-athlete" this morning.

i'm not saying it's right or I don't feel bad for the kids who do get told they would be better off elsewhere.

at the same time, I see the coaches perspective too. It's there job and the way they support their family. if they know they have guys who aren't going to cut and they will lose, then he's unemployed.

I also find a little bit of a problem with coddling these "kids" too much. Many of these guys are 19 when they are freshmen. That's not a kid. They know the deal when the sign the scholarship papers quite well. That if they aren't good enough, they either a) won't play, or b) might be asked to leave.

if basketball is THAT important to them, they will go to a school that they will be able to play. If college or JMU is THAT important to them, they can give up hoops and stay at JMU. But like any other student, they will have to find their own means of paying for it.

Maybe it's not all fair. But life isn't either. Time for the 19-21 year olds to understand that. Life lessons are also part of the college experience.

The whole thing about being "run off" never made much sense to me. Scholarships are renewed annually. You can't give a guy a 4 year scholarship. It's no different than anything else in life. If you're not productive or able to contribute, you are not asked back. Same thing with students with a low GPA. Eventually they tell you "We admitted you but you didn't turn out how we thought. Time to think about Radford". Who would want to stick around and sit on the bench for 4 years anyway?

http://college-football.si.com/2013/04/1...olarships/

Good point, I misspoke. You can give out multi-year scholarships but it's very rare and let's face it, Brady knew he had to bring in some guys last year that were less than desirable due to his contract status and the imbalance in classes. Granted, much of that was his own doing in regards to roster management but ultimately, we all want to win not play Mr. Nice Guy.

(04-02-2014 10:29 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  http://college-football.si.com/2013/04/1...olarships/

Why would any school take this? 4 years guaranteed then you'll have complacency...

(04-02-2014 11:16 AM)HolyCityDuke Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 10:29 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  http://college-football.si.com/2013/04/1...olarships/

Why would any school take this? 4 years guaranteed then you'll have complacency...

I actually don't think most student athletes look at a scholarship as a one year deal. I didn't realize I had to renew my scholarship until I read an NCAA Manuel.

(04-01-2014 11:36 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:03 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)HMK Wrote:  ...

Are you confident that Nation will be in academic good standing?

I doubt that any of us are confident of that.

Barker, help us out here - did he turn in that English paper on time? And how did he do on that math quiz last Thursday? I heard it was tough. Is he studying enough? Is he getting 8 hours of sleep a night?

He actually did not turn in that math quiz but he got an extension he was too busy doing COB group work, quite the studios one Nation is.
His COB group is pretty solid, aj scott, Ron Curry, lambart, andre coble. Apparently they all got highest grades in 241 and 242 very ACCOUNTABLE those guys.

Why are we giving out his personal academic issues out again ? Is this on twitter ?

(04-02-2014 12:19 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 11:36 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:03 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)HMK Wrote:  ...

Are you confident that Nation will be in academic good standing?

I doubt that any of us are confident of that.

Barker, help us out here - did he turn in that English paper on time? And how did he do on that math quiz last Thursday? I heard it was tough. Is he studying enough? Is he getting 8 hours of sleep a night?

He actually did not turn in that math quiz but he got an extension he was too busy doing COB group work, quite the studios one Nation is.
His COB group is pretty solid, aj scott, Ron Curry, lambart, andre coble. Apparently they all got highest grades in 241 and 242 very ACCOUNTABLE those guys.

Why are we giving out his personal academic issues out again ? Is this on twitter ?

If you didn't get the sarcasm guy, I don't know what to tell you...

And when people reference "pushed out " what exactly does that mean. To me that mean you quit. Being asked to leave a program is a different story to me. Or a coach saying " you will never play for me ", to me it says either you prove him wrong or you leave the program.

(04-02-2014 12:23 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:19 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 11:36 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:03 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)HMK Wrote:  ...

Are you confident that Nation will be in academic good standing?

I doubt that any of us are confident of that.

Barker, help us out here - did he turn in that English paper on time? And how did he do on that math quiz last Thursday? I heard it was tough. Is he studying enough? Is he getting 8 hours of sleep a night?

He actually did not turn in that math quiz but he got an extension he was too busy doing COB group work, quite the studios one Nation is.
His COB group is pretty solid, aj scott, Ron Curry, lambart, andre coble. Apparently they all got highest grades in 241 and 242 very ACCOUNTABLE those guys.

Why are we giving out his personal academic issues out again ? Is this on twitter ?

If you didn't get the sarcasm guy, I don't know what to tell you...

I got it from the first post , but you seem to be giving out more factual information , which you say you do.

Barkers, we get it - you have inside sources. Or you are an insider of some sort.

Just because you have certain information doesn't mean you should post it for the whole world to see. Don't you think that there are hundreds of others at JMU who could post personal information about the coaches, players, etc. but choose not to.

I'm not talking about opinions. I'm not talking about general scoop like what recruit is visiting campus, etc. I'm talking about personal stuff that could conceivably hurt a player or the program - or possibly violate federal law. As a JMU parent, I can't even find out certain academic information about my kids without their permission, and yet here you are blabbing stuff all over the Internet.

(04-02-2014 12:40 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Barkers, we get it - you have inside sources. Or you are an insider of some sort.

Just because you have certain information doesn't mean you should post it for the whole world to see. Don't you think that there are hundreds of others at JMU who could post personal information about the coaches, players, etc. but choose not to.

I'm not talking about opinions. I'm not talking about general scoop like what recruit is visiting campus, etc. I'm talking about personal stuff that could conceivably hurt a player or the program - or possibly violate federal law. As a JMU parent, I can't even find out certain academic information about my kids without their permission, and yet here you are blabbing stuff all over the Internet.

This. The info shared concerning academic issues shared by Barkers at first blush seem to violate FERPA. http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html If it continues expect an investigation and sever consequences, so my advice to Barkers is to knock it off and stop.

U of R:

Your argument is so one sided toward the poor innocent student athlete who you seem to feel lacks the ability to think for himself. Coaches are not predators. You are assuming so many things in your argument that it is easy to rip it apart without much effort. This is not your 3 year old son we are discussing. This is a grown man who has played basketball for 10 or more years. He and his parents should know the rules of engagement by now. There a companies who advise student athletes while they are still in high school. They help consult them so they can be prepared. If Rivard's parents did not do their homework, then shame on them.


The coaching staff wined and dined 13 players and had to convince each of them to play at JMU? Don't many players send tapes and U Tube videos of themselves to coaching staffs hoping to get a look? If a kid has four offers and takes the offer of the school at the highest level of play, does he not expose himself to greater competition. Does this not increase his chances of being cut? If a coach has 7 scholarships, is it reasonable to think that not all 7 of those players are 5 star athletes? Maybe a coach likes a kids work ethic or attitude and hopes he can turn him into a productive player. Maybe he gives him a shot as a favor to an AAU coach that has been a referral source? There are all sorts of reasons to use a scholarship here or there.

Have you ever had to hire staff? Can you honestly say that during the interview process you get to really know that person? No. You do your best to assess their abilities, work ethic and personality. You hope you don't miss but sometimes it just doesn't work out. Sometimes the new hire realizes that the job they thought they wanted isn't. Sometimes they take a lesser job because it is what is available at the time. Sometimes the boss is a jerk.

Maybe the staff gave Rivard a chance to come in and prove himself. I was told Rivard has a good work ethic. He just could not compete in the CAA and did not get better during the year. They did not recruit him thinking they would let him go. Given the offers he had, Rivard likely took the best one. He had to know it was a stretch and that he may not be retained. At least, he and his parents should know this.

I am a parent and while I would be disappointed, I also know how the real world works. Just because you don't like what happens to your child doesn't make it wrong. It is business and sometimes business is not pretty but there is nothing sinister or unethical going on here. I would be happy to have had one year of education free and the opportunity for more.

During the out of conference schedule, I saw every player on the team get floor time. They either played themselves onto the bench or stayed in the rotation. How much more fair can coach Brady get?

(04-02-2014 01:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:40 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Barkers, we get it - you have inside sources. Or you are an insider of some sort.

Just because you have certain information doesn't mean you should post it for the whole world to see. Don't you think that there are hundreds of others at JMU who could post personal information about the coaches, players, etc. but choose not to.

I'm not talking about opinions. I'm not talking about general scoop like what recruit is visiting campus, etc. I'm talking about personal stuff that could conceivably hurt a player or the program - or possibly violate federal law. As a JMU parent, I can't even find out certain academic information about my kids without their permission, and yet here you are blabbing stuff all over the Internet.

This. The info shared concerning academic issues shared by Barkers at first blush seem to violate FERPA. http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html If it continues expect an investigation and sever consequences, so my advice to Barkers is to knock it off and stop.

You people are funny, if you consistently don't go to class you fail...send the Feds for me

(04-02-2014 02:26 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:40 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Barkers, we get it - you have inside sources. Or you are an insider of some sort.

Just because you have certain information doesn't mean you should post it for the whole world to see. Don't you think that there are hundreds of others at JMU who could post personal information about the coaches, players, etc. but choose not to.

I'm not talking about opinions. I'm not talking about general scoop like what recruit is visiting campus, etc. I'm talking about personal stuff that could conceivably hurt a player or the program - or possibly violate federal law. As a JMU parent, I can't even find out certain academic information about my kids without their permission, and yet here you are blabbing stuff all over the Internet.

This. The info shared concerning academic issues shared by Barkers at first blush seem to violate FERPA. http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html If it continues expect an investigation and sever consequences, so my advice to Barkers is to knock it off and stop.

You people are funny, if you consistently don't go to class you fail...send the Feds for me

For real ---- there has been nothing stated that would even remotely stated that would be a violation.

My son is only 2 and I am glad you didn't drop him in Baltimore :-)

Quote:Given the offers he had, Rivard likely took the best one. He had to know it was a stretch and that he may not be retained. At least, he and his parents should know this.

Rivard was considering attending several Ivy League schools before he ultimately decided to head down to Harrisonburg and join James Madison. He was considering scholarship offers from Bucknell, Fairfield, Columbia and Penn.

All those schools finished near or better than JMU in power ratings this year. It wasn't like he chose to play in the ACC. The Ivy and MAAC were better than the CAA the last two years as well. If there was any place he could have played this year JMU was certainly it.

He couldn't play at JMU. I would be surprised if he could play at Colgate (184th kenpom TY).

I don't blame Brady for running him off, and I don't consider it unethical other than I don't think that is how college athletics should treat student athletes. But coaches can't play by their own set of rules unless you want be at a competitive disadvantage and out of a job sooner than later.

(04-02-2014 03:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:26 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:40 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Barkers, we get it - you have inside sources. Or you are an insider of some sort.

Just because you have certain information doesn't mean you should post it for the whole world to see. Don't you think that there are hundreds of others at JMU who could post personal information about the coaches, players, etc. but choose not to.

I'm not talking about opinions. I'm not talking about general scoop like what recruit is visiting campus, etc. I'm talking about personal stuff that could conceivably hurt a player or the program - or possibly violate federal law. As a JMU parent, I can't even find out certain academic information about my kids without their permission, and yet here you are blabbing stuff all over the Internet.

This. The info shared concerning academic issues shared by Barkers at first blush seem to violate FERPA. http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html If it continues expect an investigation and sever consequences, so my advice to Barkers is to knock it off and stop.

You people are funny, if you consistently don't go to class you fail...send the Feds for me

For real ---- there has been nothing stated that would even remotely stated that would be a violation.

POTUS get twitter because if your kid is like Nation he/she blabs it all over social media. Barkers hasn't stated anything personal, unlike HotRod, that would even get close to causing concern. Perhaps you guys cause provided some examples of these violations rather than just blabbing stuff, or you can just knock it off.

EDIT to add emphasis cause that is evidently the best way to get a message accross rather than logic.

(04-02-2014 03:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:26 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 01:01 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 12:40 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  Barkers, we get it - you have inside sources. Or you are an insider of some sort.

Just because you have certain information doesn't mean you should post it for the whole world to see. Don't you think that there are hundreds of others at JMU who could post personal information about the coaches, players, etc. but choose not to.

I'm not talking about opinions. I'm not talking about general scoop like what recruit is visiting campus, etc. I'm talking about personal stuff that could conceivably hurt a player or the program - or possibly violate federal law. As a JMU parent, I can't even find out certain academic information about my kids without their permission, and yet here you are blabbing stuff all over the Internet.

This. The info shared concerning academic issues shared by Barkers at first blush seem to violate FERPA. http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/ferpa/index.html If it continues expect an investigation and sever consequences, so my advice to Barkers is to knock it off and stop.

You people are funny, if you consistently don't go to class you fail...send the Feds for me

For real ---- there has been nothing stated that would even remotely stated that would be a violation.

I'm just saying it's not relevant. If you have inside knowledge on whether an athlete is going to pass of fail a class let's wait till the grades are released. This is only if you are apart of the program, which he seems to be. I would say the same things with injuries. Of course if he doesn't go to class that is public knowledge.

(04-02-2014 03:01 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 02:26 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

You people are funny, if you consistently don't go to class you fail...send the Feds for me

For real ---- there has been nothing stated that would even remotely stated that would be a violation.
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False.

Barkers, it is only an assumption that you're potentially employed in some fashion by JMU. If you are (even as a student employee), sharing the details of a students academic progress is a violation of the law.