(03-31-2014 04:32 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  Transferring out is endemic and is a big part of the college game today. Guys usually leave because they want more playing time....that simple.

I'm guessing it's "a little" more endemic than at the vast majority of colleges. We have starters leave fairly regularly

Key starters like AJ Davis, Wells, & Browles didn't exactly enjoy their coach relationship.

Nation - key player on this team - suspended three times this season.

Of course - this is all normal, and Matt is just having bad luck and these players are wrong. Over recruiting, Brady is right on the money, etc....

Honestly, for me - the same goes for Bessick and Rivard. I wish it worked out better for them too.

If they choose to leave, sad, but so be it. If it was a 'mutual' decision where they felt like there was little opportunity for playing time or a chance to improve, also sad, and a little more of a concern that the tides shift that quickly.

People come and go in the workforce all the time - many times I can look at it as win/win and other times, you have to bite your lip as someone leaves to learn that 'hard-lesson'. These guys were talented enough to get D-1 offers and privileged enough to get a chance to play some, I hope it works out great for them and thank you very much for your time as a Duke!

Rivard got pushed out by Brady, he came here more for academics not really basketball, apparently parents are very upset about situation.

John Feinstein in The Washington Post in regard potential risks to underperforming athletes
“Fired or traded? That already happens. An NCAA scholarship is guaranteed for only one year. Athletes who don’t meet the expectations they held as recruits regularly are told they should find another school “where you can play.” If such athletes don’t want to leave, the coach can simply not renew their scholarships.
The coach can replace the athlete right away. But the athlete, even if forced out, has to miss a season unless he can prove some kind of “hardship.”
That’s fair?
That’s why all this talk about the “value of a scholarship” is ludicrous. For revenue sport athletes, the scholarship exists for one reason: because the school believes the athlete will help its football or basketball team win more games and, thus, make more money. There’s nothing magnanimous about the scholarship; it’s a business deal.”
For a variety of reasons, I do not feel our current coach will never make us a consistent winner. JMU has been very generous to the coach for his underperformance. I am very frustrated because VCU had the courage to step up and pay a coach his worth. Fifty sell outs in a row more than pays Smart’s salary. Every year I see basketball players being run off. JMU fired Matthews and he had not had a losing season since ’03. Is underperformance in basketball more acceptable? It is easy to pull a scholarship, I wish it was as easy to pull a contract.

I certainly understand everyone's differing opinions. Last year did happen and it counts 100 percent for me, no ifs, and or buts. It was a great ride. This year was disappointing but I did see some promise and hustle. I think it is time Coach Brady and the Dukes put together back to back good seasons. If we do not, I think we will be looking in a different direction in 2016. Until then, it is Go Dukes for me.

as of now it seems that we definitely return: Curry, Nation, Vodanovich, Satkus, Hall, Sterling, Kent, Lukic and Charbaka

as of now we have lost: Rivard and Bessick

as of now we have a chance of losing: Dalembert and Cooke

If Cooke and Dalembert are back, we should be in top 2 or 3 in caa. If they leave, and we add aldrede or gill and another guard I still think we ll be up there. I hate the business aspect of this game, but it is a business and transfers should be able to play right away if scholarship was pulled.

(04-01-2014 09:03 PM)nyduke Wrote:  as of now it seems that we definitely return: Curry, Nation, Vodanovich, Satkus, Hall, Sterling, Kent, Lukic and Charbaka

as of now we have lost: Rivard and Bessick

as of now we have a chance of losing: Dalembert and Cooke

If Cooke and Dalembert are back, we should be in top 2 or 3 in caa. If they leave, and we add aldrede or gill and another guard I still think we ll be up there. I hate the business aspect of this game, but it is a business and transfers should be able to play right away if scholarship was pulled.

Are you confident that Nation will be in academic good standing?

(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)HMK Wrote:  ...

Are you confident that Nation will be in academic good standing?

I doubt that any of us are confident of that.

Barker, help us out here - did he turn in that English paper on time? And how did he do on that math quiz last Thursday? I heard it was tough. Is he studying enough? Is he getting 8 hours of sleep a night?

Today San Diego State announced APR sanctions for next year. So if we're hit with an APR violation at least we aren't first out of the gate!

(04-01-2014 10:03 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Today San Diego State announced APR sanctions for next year. So if we're hit with an APR violation at least we aren't first out of the gate!

San Jose St.

(04-01-2014 10:54 PM)djnva Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:03 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  Today San Diego State announced APR sanctions for next year. So if we're hit with an APR violation at least we aren't first out of the gate!

San Jose St.

Thanks.

Point still stands. We move too slow to be first in anything!

(04-01-2014 10:03 PM)POTUS#4 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 09:41 PM)HMK Wrote:  ...

Are you confident that Nation will be in academic good standing?

I doubt that any of us are confident of that.

Barker, help us out here - did he turn in that English paper on time? And how did he do on that math quiz last Thursday? I heard it was tough. Is he studying enough? Is he getting 8 hours of sleep a night?

He actually did not turn in that math quiz but he got an extension he was too busy doing COB group work, quite the studios one Nation is.
His COB group is pretty solid, aj scott, Ron Curry, lambart, andre coble. Apparently they all got highest grades in 241 and 242 very ACCOUNTABLE those guys.

Barkers:

Let's see, Rivard came to JMU for the academics not basketball. His lost his scholarship because he is not good enough to contribute to helping the team win as JMU was 11-20 this year. His scholarship is a basketball scholarship. His parents are angry.

Does anyone else see the outragiousness in this? College basketball is not a charity. Schools don't give basketball scholarships to players who they find cannot contribute on the court. Here is how it works for those who don't understand. The player plays basketball and helps the school win games. This winning draws fans and media attention. This helps to sell tickets, obtain donations and sell school gear thus producing revenue that the school can funnel back into athletics. In a perfect world, there is money left over to funnel back into the general fund for use as needed.

For the player, they have their education and living expenses paid for and get to continue playing a game they should love to play. If they don't, they need to stop playing and find what they love to do.

The fact that Rivard's parents are angry tells me they are out of touch with the real world and are incapable of teaching their son of how the real world works. We are all paid for our value whether perceived or real. In coach Brady's eyes, Rivard's basketball skills are not worth the cost of his scholarship.

The silver lining is that Rivard has had one year of his college paid. How my of you with kids at school would take that deal right now? I just wrote my last tuition check and can tell you, I would love to have one year free.

Rivard can stay at JMU and finish his education or he can go somewhere where he will be offered a scholarship and have his education paid. What is wrong with that? Brady is not denying Rivard an education. He is simply not having JMU pay for it in return for his basketball skills.

I really get tired of all this entitlement crap and no it will not hurt future recruiting. Brady will only lose out on those recruits who don't know deep inside that they cannot play and contribute.

I understand your point but Brady needs to better evaluate the skill sets before offering a scholarship. I would rather not spend the scholarship than waste it on a project.

Quote:Does anyone else see the outragiousness in this? College basketball is not a charity. Schools don't give basketball scholarships to players who they find cannot contribute on the court.

Considering the players are supposed to be "student-athletes", considering they are afforded no workers comp if injured while playing and the fixed pricing (scholarship) schools are able to use in order to "pay" the players, I don't find it that outrageous. When the JMU coaches were recruiting a player, I'm sure the idea wasn't that if a player wasn't up to par you get run out after one season. That never gets said, although I'm sure it should be. That is the dark side of athletics that is unfortunate.

But yes this is big business - if Brady doesn't do everything in his power to win he will be gone and you all will donate less and buy less tickets and merchandise.

Just because college athletics is a cold business doesn't mean you can't understand a parents/players frustration. Maybe a player doesn't want to uproot himself from a university he was sold on and has become apart of. But at 25k a year the player feels the need to take care of his education somewhere else if that possibility exists. A year ago you were being wined and dined and being sold on something great, now your being run out.

I think its a necessary evil but I still don't like it and I can relate to those who think they have been wronged by it.

Side note - I know there are four year scholarships now. Does anyone get them? I don't hear much about them so don't know if JMU or CAA schools give them out. If players were truly getting four year grants and some were getting one year grants, then it becomes much clearer who is on solid ground and who is playing for their future education.

Brady used Rivard for APR purposes instead of basketball purposes most likely. If Brady is selling him and his parents that he's good enough to play basketball at JMU, then they have a reason to be upset.

We can debate this all we want, but it doesn't change the end game. Brady's days are still numbered at JMU.

(04-02-2014 08:09 AM)UofRfan Wrote:  

Quote:Does anyone else see the outragiousness in this? College basketball is not a charity. Schools don't give basketball scholarships to players who they find cannot contribute on the court.

Considering the players are supposed to be "student-athletes", considering they are afforded no workers comp if injured while playing and the fixed pricing (scholarship) schools are able to use in order to "pay" the players, I don't find it that outrageous. When the JMU coaches were recruiting a player, I'm sure the idea wasn't that if a player wasn't up to par you get run out after one season. That never gets said, although I'm sure it should be. That is the dark side of athletics that is unfortunate.

But yes this is big business - if Brady doesn't do everything in his power to win he will be gone and you all will donate less and buy less tickets and merchandise.

Just because college athletics is a cold business doesn't mean you can't understand a parents/players frustration. Maybe a player doesn't want to uproot himself from a university he was sold on and has become apart of. But at 25k a year the player feels the need to take care of his education somewhere else if that possibility exists. A year ago you were being wined and dined and being sold on something great, now your being run out.

I think its a necessary evil but I still don't like it and I can relate to those who think they have been wronged by it.

Side note - I know there are four year scholarships now. Does anyone get them? I don't hear much about them so don't know if JMU or CAA schools give them out. If players were truly getting four year grants and some were getting one year grants, then it becomes much clearer who is on solid ground and who is playing for their future education.

but a regular student who receives an academic scholarship to Harvard, but then finds out he can't handle the course work and his grades aren't up to snuff is forced out.

that's different how?

Quote:We can debate this all we want, but it doesn't change the end game. Brady's days are still numbered at JMU.

If a conference move is made add another real year on.

(04-02-2014 09:06 AM)brizzock Wrote:  We can debate this all we want, but it doesn't change the end game. Brady's days are still numbered at JMU.

Well, the "end game" as you put it, is winning.

And as for Coach Brady, his future is no different than the vast majority of head coaches.

Very few HC coaches in any sport begin and end their careers at their first HC gig. They either get fired (or not "retained" as was the case with Lefty), or they move on to a better coaching deal (like MB from Marist). Eventually all head coaches retire, their future fates perhaps sitting on the bench next to the next HC cannon fodder (ala Mike Dean or Sherman Dillard), or selling insurance (ala Dean Keener). It's a never ending cycle. Get it while you can, do your best, and hope things work out.

You're right. The end game is winning. If we end up in the top 3 in the conference during the regular season next year, I'll gladly buy you a beer. With a full slate of eligible conference foes, I don't think we can with Brady.