It simply doesn't work because you have certain priorities that are totally different from the rest of the league. If the AAC was going to go hybrid with non-football members it would have already. Not sure it makes sense for VCU anymore because they're in a 4-6 bid league. Wichita would jump but they don't add enough value overall. At least Aresco and the presidents must not think so or it would have happened for #12.

Everybody is ignoring the fact Navy can't realistically compete for a conference title and if they can think about what that says: a school with no NFL prospects and height/weight restrictions can win the conference. They were a hasty addition and should gradually be substituted with a strong basketball program that also has an FBS program.

My AAC:

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Buffalo
Temple
Navy
Old Dominion
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western Division
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
BYU
Fresno State or Boise State

(04-02-2014 08:40 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  My AAC:

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Buffalo
Temple
Navy
Old Dominion
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western Division
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
BYU
Fresno State or Boise State

Wilkie, correct me if I'm wrong, but i think I've seen other posts from you favoring Buffalo... Why is that??? Does Buffalo have any penetration in New York market at all???

I don't hear much of anything from Buffalo is why I ask...

(04-02-2014 09:10 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 08:40 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  My AAC:

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Buffalo
Temple
Navy
Old Dominion
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

Western Division
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Houston
SMU
Tulsa
BYU
Fresno State or Boise State

Wilkie, correct me if I'm wrong, but i think I've seen other posts from you favoring Buffalo... Why is that??? Does Buffalo have any penetration in New York market at all???

I don't hear much of anything from Buffalo is why I ask...

I have heard that Buffalo could draw NY market. I could be wrong.

(03-30-2014 11:51 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  This Op is wrong on almost every point. Currently, UCF and UCONN are precisely the kings of the non P5.

LOL, no, one good year does not make UCF a "king" of the non-P5. Boise and BYU >>>>>>> UCF.

(04-02-2014 09:38 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 11:51 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  This Op is wrong on almost every point. Currently, UCF and UCONN are precisely the kings of the non P5.

LOL, no, one good year does not make UCF a "king" of the non-P5. Boise and BYU >>>>>>> UCF.

UConn has the strongest Brand of any school in a G5 league.

(04-02-2014 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 09:38 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 11:51 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  This Op is wrong on almost every point. Currently, UCF and UCONN are precisely the kings of the non P5.

LOL, no, one good year does not make UCF a "king" of the non-P5. Boise and BYU >>>>>>> UCF.

UConn has the strongest Brand of any school in a G5 league.

Not arguing against UConn. Their brand is indeed strong. So are Boise and BYU's brands, by the way.

UCF though? They had a great season, and I was pulling for them in the Fiesta Bowl, but it's still just one season. They need to have lasting success before they can start calling themselves "kings" of anything.

(04-02-2014 09:45 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 09:38 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 11:51 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  This Op is wrong on almost every point. Currently, UCF and UCONN are precisely the kings of the non P5.

LOL, no, one good year does not make UCF a "king" of the non-P5. Boise and BYU >>>>>>> UCF.

UConn has the strongest Brand of any school in a G5 league.

Not arguing against UConn. Their brand is indeed strong. So are Boise and BYU's brands, by the way.

UCF though? They had a great season, and I was pulling for them in the Fiesta Bowl, but it's still just one season. They need to have lasting success before they can start calling themselves "kings" of anything.

Agree....BYU, Boise State and UConn have been on the National Stage much longer...

If I was Aresco, I would strike while the iron was hot and solidify the AAC as a powerful basketball conference for years to come. I would add Wichita, VCU, and UMass Olympic sports. Why do that now? Because it gives the conference a core of 6-7 traditionally solid basketball schools plus several others on the rise. Right now, if the AAC were to lose UConn and Cinci, their basketball power is significantly degraded to the point they might not be able to lure basketball schools away from the A-10. Right now they can......and should. Remember the western expansion lesson---they could have finished the western wing with Fresno by simply asking....but when the league was damaged by the serial defections of Notre Dame, Louisville, Rutgers, and the C-7----it was seen as weak and lost the leverage to add a school like Frenso. The lessons learned? Lesson One---Adding teams when you're strong is much easier than when you are weak. Lesson Two--A strong realignment position is not necessarily permenant...things can change quickly and with little notice...

In short, its best to build strength when the opportunity arises. Worrying about money at this stage is penny wise and pound foolish. Build the most powerful conference you can when you can. If you do that well, the money will follow. The opportunity to build a more powerful basketball conference exists----DO IT.

(04-02-2014 09:45 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 09:40 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(04-02-2014 09:38 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 11:51 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  This Op is wrong on almost every point. Currently, UCF and UCONN are precisely the kings of the non P5.

LOL, no, one good year does not make UCF a "king" of the non-P5. Boise and BYU >>>>>>> UCF.

UConn has the strongest Brand of any school in a G5 league.

Not arguing against UConn. Their brand is indeed strong. So are Boise and BYU's brands, by the way.

UCF though? They had a great season, and I was pulling for them in the Fiesta Bowl, but it's still just one season. They need to have lasting success before they can start calling themselves "kings" of anything.

Agree

Thry are not expanding with basketball schools for thats what they left behind with the Big East schools ( C-7 ) remember. I do think it would be best to expand to 12 possibly 14 at most, but the question is always going to be WHO. Which direction do you look at when thinking geographically speaking??? It a dam shame that VCU never started a football program for they have an enrollment that would make you think they would. Another school is a St. Louis for they seemed to be around thr block several times, and I personally think they would have been another school that could have developed into football, but no these schools seem to know what they are doing without football and basketball being their bread and butter game.

If you can come up with a couple of schools that fit geographically within their footprint thst play football then yes, but to bring up basketball schools only is not going to happen.

These schools have strong brand name in football:

Boise
BYU
Fresno State
Cincinnati
UConn
Houston

These schools have strong basketball brand name:

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
Temple

(04-02-2014 12:11 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  These schools have strong basketball brand name:

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
Temple

UNLV is a decent basketball brand as well.

(04-01-2014 10:00 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Boise possibly could, but they bailed on us once already. Effff them. Let them lay in the bed that they have made.

Boise and SDSU bailed on a football only invite which was pretty understandable under the circumstances. Aresco's best option is to build a time machine so he can warn his younger self that the C7 is leaving. Had the AAC expanded by inviting BSU, SDSU, BYU, and maybe a few others as all sports members, the AAC would have placed itself more clearly on the right side of the have/have not divide.

(04-02-2014 01:31 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:00 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Boise possibly could, but they bailed on us once already. Effff them. Let them lay in the bed that they have made.

Boise and SDSU bailed on a football only invite which was pretty understandable under the circumstances. Aresco's best option is to build a time machine so he can warn his younger self that the C7 is leaving. Had the AAC expanded by inviting BSU, SDSU, BYU, and maybe a few others as all sports members, the AAC would have placed itself more clearly on the right side of the have/have not divide.

I wouldnt go that far---but they would have been closer than they now.

(04-02-2014 02:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  [quote='jrj84105' pid='10628500' dateline='1396463484']
I wouldnt go that far---but they would have been closer than they now.

I'm still not sure why, knowing what they know now, the better schools of the MWC and AAC don't reconsider their options. What's the magic combination needed to complete a dissolution of the AAC and MWC conferences?

EAST:
UCONN, CINCINNATI, ECU, Memphis, USF, UCF, SMU, HOU, Navy

WEST
SDSU, FrSU, USU, BSU, UNLV, UNM, CSU, WYO, AFA

FB: 8 division games + 1 cross division game (AFA vs Navy annual, rest rotating)

BB: 18 games (rival H:H, every one else once annually).

EDIT: Take USU instead of BYU. This conference already heavily schedules BYU so it gets BYU content (3-4 broadcasts annually) without having to deal with BYU.

(04-02-2014 01:31 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:00 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Boise possibly could, but they bailed on us once already. Effff them. Let them lay in the bed that they have made.

Boise and SDSU bailed on a football only invite which was pretty understandable under the circumstances. Aresco's best option is to build a time machine so he can warn his younger self that the C7 is leaving. Had the AAC expanded by inviting BSU, SDSU, BYU, and maybe a few others as all sports members, the AAC would have placed itself more clearly on the right side of the have/have not divide.

We tried for Air Force and BYU:

http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2012/5/2...ealignment


We almost had Air Force:

“In my perfect world, with the Big East on the radar, I would love Air Force, Navy and Army to be in that conference together,” the [Air Force] AD said.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...wn-big-12/

...which is one reason why I think we should add Army despite it being so bad in football.


We also went after Fresno St and UNLV:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...n-football


I agree that it was a mistake by Aresco to give up on the all-sports western division idea. He should have dealt with the C7 issue along with Rutgers and Louisville leaving and then tried to create an all-sports western division. Since we were negotiating a new TV deal, he could have found out which MWC schools would add the most value and contacted those schools about joining. To its credit, SDSU was still willing to join despite Boise backing out. I think other MWC schools would have joined an all-sports western division if the $$ was right. From what I understand, Aresco never even considered creating an all-sports western division, which probably means that this idea was never presented to the networks…..

First Aresco has to form 6 team divisions by the time Navy joins next season. Has Cincinnati agreed to be in the western division?

(04-03-2014 10:52 AM)westwolf Wrote:  First Aresco has to form 6 team divisions by the time Navy joins next season. Has Cincinnati agreed to be in the western division?

While they have been discussed, the AAC has never established divisions. I wouldn't rule out anything including Cinci in the west, Navy in the west, zipper divisions, and north-south divisions. The only way to make things work perfectly in a geographic sense (ie-both Navy and Cinci in the east) is to add two all-sports schools in the west and to add one non-football school to the east. A western pair that would probably interest Aresco would be Air Force and Colorado St (I wouldn't be all that interested, but he would).

For the league it would be more beneficial to have Cincy in the west so there is a potential matchup of two of their better teams to meet in a CCG with Cincy representing the west and UCF representing the east. This would be a good game for TV, but we will have to see what they do.

East Div: UCF, USF, ECU, Navy, UConn, Temple

West Div: Cincy, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa

That's not to shabby if you ask me.