(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita would be the stupidest, impulse invite ever
they had one amaizng season, i applaud them

but were are building for the future and decades, 1 amazing year doesnt mean we should add them.
the are a small private school in a subpar market, who name brand outside of ths year was almost non

a bad wichita would be worthless to us and Mediocre wichita would almost be the same and that is what they are on most years
this impulsive wichita push would equate to trying to add NIU because they made the bcs 2 years

..again are you Houston fans disliking Wichita out of fear of competition?

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1965, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1964, 1965, 1981, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014

Conference tournament champions
1985, 1987, 2014

Conference regular season champions
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1983, 2006, 2012, 2014

10.5k Stadium capacity

Not saying they are world beaters but some of you act like this is their first rodeo.

you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

(04-01-2014 12:05 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita would be the stupidest, impulse invite ever
they had one amaizng season, i applaud them

but were are building for the future and decades, 1 amazing year doesnt mean we should add them.
the are a small private school in a subpar market, who name brand outside of ths year was almost non

a bad wichita would be worthless to us and Mediocre wichita would almost be the same and that is what they are on most years
this impulsive wichita push would equate to trying to add NIU because they made the bcs 2 years

..again are you Houston fans disliking Wichita out of fear of competition?

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1965, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1964, 1965, 1981, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014

Conference tournament champions
1985, 1987, 2014

Conference regular season champions
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1983, 2006, 2012, 2014

10.5k Stadium capacity

Not saying they are world beaters but some of you act like this is their first rodeo.

you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

Wichita can beat everyone on the AAC right now and would give uconn and lville a beating and probably lose by 1 or 2 points just like they lost to Kentucky...

not now but give them 2 to 3 more years, re evaluate and take them in. They will be a crown jewel in the AAC running with uconn, memphis, smu, and cinncy

Lol if we want any chance in making this conference stay relavanet like the godly teams that were such a boon to the aac ahem uconn and ucf... wichita would be icing on the cake... we would probably be the 4 th best basketball conference on paper given temple rises from the ashes 6 solid tourney teams... thats hard to beat... sorry p5s

(04-01-2014 12:05 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita would be the stupidest, impulse invite ever
they had one amaizng season, i applaud them

but were are building for the future and decades, 1 amazing year doesnt mean we should add them.
the are a small private school in a subpar market, who name brand outside of ths year was almost non

a bad wichita would be worthless to us and Mediocre wichita would almost be the same and that is what they are on most years
this impulsive wichita push would equate to trying to add NIU because they made the bcs 2 years

..again are you Houston fans disliking Wichita out of fear of competition?

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1965, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1964, 1965, 1981, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014

Conference tournament champions
1985, 1987, 2014

Conference regular season champions
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1983, 2006, 2012, 2014

10.5k Stadium capacity

Not saying they are world beaters but some of you act like this is their first rodeo.

you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

Houston is in the largest city in the south, 4th largest in america,, top 10 tv market top 5 recruiting city, with 3x the student body as WSU,. again we are talking monetary value, potential future value aswell as longterm competitive value, sustainability. (remove the last 2 years and wichita has not exactly been good)
again wichita was dramatically better than Houston this year no-one is arguing that. but value and building a long term valuable league gouston has dramatically more value.
look at byu if they had a 13-19 win season they are still byu and worth a ton of money. Wichita st has a 13-19 season they are that small university in that mediocre/subpar market and below average name brand.

i don't mind competition at all, everyone here would take byu in a heartbeat, who made the tourney this year and has proven to be a consistent winner almost year in an out. not just 2 years in 30 like wsu

(04-01-2014 01:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 12:05 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita would be the stupidest, impulse invite ever
they had one amaizng season, i applaud them

but were are building for the future and decades, 1 amazing year doesnt mean we should add them.
the are a small private school in a subpar market, who name brand outside of ths year was almost non

a bad wichita would be worthless to us and Mediocre wichita would almost be the same and that is what they are on most years
this impulsive wichita push would equate to trying to add NIU because they made the bcs 2 years

..again are you Houston fans disliking Wichita out of fear of competition?

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1965, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1964, 1965, 1981, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014

Conference tournament champions
1985, 1987, 2014

Conference regular season champions
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1983, 2006, 2012, 2014

10.5k Stadium capacity

Not saying they are world beaters but some of you act like this is their first rodeo.

you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

Houston is in the largest city in the south, 4th largest in america,, top 10 tv market top 5 recruiting city, with 3x the student body as WSU,. again we are talking monetary value, potential future value aswell as longterm competitive value, sustainability. (remove the last 2 years and wichita has not exactly been good)
again wichita was dramatically better than Houston this year no-one is arguing that. but value and building a long term valuable league gouston has dramatically more value.
look at byu if they had a 13-19 win season they are still byu and worth a ton of money. Wichita st has a 13-19 season they are that small university in that mediocre/subpar market and below average name brand.

i don't mind competition at all, everyone here would take byu in a heartbeat, who made the tourney this year and has proven to be a consistent winner almost year in an out. not just 2 years in 30 like wsu

Not only that, pesik... If Houston didn't have football, all of its efforts $$$ would be invested in its basketball program only... And perhaps Houston presenting three times better of a resume. Just sy'n

(04-01-2014 01:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 12:05 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita would be the stupidest, impulse invite ever
they had one amaizng season, i applaud them

but were are building for the future and decades, 1 amazing year doesnt mean we should add them.
the are a small private school in a subpar market, who name brand outside of ths year was almost non

a bad wichita would be worthless to us and Mediocre wichita would almost be the same and that is what they are on most years
this impulsive wichita push would equate to trying to add NIU because they made the bcs 2 years

..again are you Houston fans disliking Wichita out of fear of competition?

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1965, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1964, 1965, 1981, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014

Conference tournament champions
1985, 1987, 2014

Conference regular season champions
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1983, 2006, 2012, 2014

10.5k Stadium capacity

Not saying they are world beaters but some of you act like this is their first rodeo.

you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

Houston is in the largest city in the south, 4th largest in america,, top 10 tv market top 5 recruiting city, with 3x the student body as WSU,. again we are talking monetary value, potential future value aswell as longterm competitive value, sustainability. [b] (remove the last 2 years and wichita has not exactly been good)[/b]
again wichita was dramatically better than Houston this year no-one is arguing that. but value and building a long term valuable league gouston has dramatically more value.
look at byu if they had a 13-19 win season they are still byu and worth a ton of money. Wichita st has a 13-19 season they are that small university in that mediocre/subpar market and below average name brand.

i don't mind competition at all, everyone here would take byu in a heartbeat, who made the tourney this year and has proven to be a consistent winner almost year in an out. not just 2 years in 30 like wsu

Dude I lived in Houston for five years and my fiance graduated from UH. Houston is already in the AAC stop comparing them because I would like to refrain from commenting on Houston's market value. And BYU does not want to join.

From a purely competitive standpoint Wichita is neck and neck with Houston if you look at both of their histories in multiple sports. And again for the LOVE OF GOD please Google search Wichita State basketball. They have not only been good for the last two years. That's like saying remove Cincinnati's national championship year and another one of their best years.

The AAC does not need markets. You need your top teams to continue doing what they are doing but you also need consistency in the middle. You have to be a fool to even claim that at a minimum Wichita would not be a seven loss team or better most years.

(04-01-2014 06:59 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 01:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 12:05 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  ..again are you Houston fans disliking Wichita out of fear of competition?

NCAA Tournament Final Four
1965, 2013

NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1964, 1965, 1981, 2013

NCAA Tournament appearances
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1985, 1987, 1988, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014

Conference tournament champions
1985, 1987, 2014

Conference regular season champions
1964, 1965, 1976, 1981, 1983, 2006, 2012, 2014

10.5k Stadium capacity

Not saying they are world beaters but some of you act like this is their first rodeo.

you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

Houston is in the largest city in the south, 4th largest in america,, top 10 tv market top 5 recruiting city, with 3x the student body as WSU,. again we are talking monetary value, potential future value aswell as longterm competitive value, sustainability. [b] (remove the last 2 years and wichita has not exactly been good)[/b]
again wichita was dramatically better than Houston this year no-one is arguing that. but value and building a long term valuable league gouston has dramatically more value.
look at byu if they had a 13-19 win season they are still byu and worth a ton of money. Wichita st has a 13-19 season they are that small university in that mediocre/subpar market and below average name brand.

i don't mind competition at all, everyone here would take byu in a heartbeat, who made the tourney this year and has proven to be a consistent winner almost year in an out. not just 2 years in 30 like wsu

Dude I lived in Houston for five years and my fiance graduated from UH. Houston is already in the AAC stop comparing them because I would like to refrain from commenting on Houston's market value. And BYU does not want to join.

From a purely competitive standpoint Wichita is neck and neck with Houston if you look at both of their histories in multiple sports. And again for the LOVE OF GOD please Google search Wichita State basketball. They have not only been good for the last two years. That's like saying remove Cincinnati's national championship year and another one of their best years.

The AAC does not need markets. You need your top teams to continue doing what they are doing but you also need consistency in the middle. You have to be a fool to even claim that at a minimum Wichita would not be a seven loss team or better most years.

Just noticed you reside in Huntsville, quite a drive... And one I only make while driving to Dallas... Thank god... No offense.

Back to Wichita... I think Wichita is a good basketball program, but look at their competition in the conference they're currently in... Houston on the other hand outstanding basketball history came at the expense of the UT's, A&M's, Arkansas, Oklahoma's of the worlds and that's not counting the football, golf, track etc.

Houston's market penetration is quite simple... UT, A&M, and Houston in that order.

long range plans call for
Buffalo, UTEP, VCU BB, Mass BB, Mass FB sch agreements

realignment board.

Other than BYU, there isn't a single program out there that will increase the pie that we are already cutting 12 ways... not Wichita, not UMass, not VCU, etc. Boise possibly could, but they bailed on us once already. Effff them. Let them lay in the bed that they have made.

For Aresco, there is only one logical choice... add no new members and work on improving the product in order to get a respectable payout when we renegotiate the contract. This conference will be fine if we can resist the urge to dilute it with new members who don't bring the full package to the table.

(04-01-2014 10:00 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Other than BYU, there isn't a single program out there that will increase the pie that we are already cutting 12 ways... not Wichita, not UMass, not VCU, etc. Boise possibly could, but they bailed on us once already. Effff them. Let them lay in the bed that they have made.

For Aresco, there is only one logical choice... add no new members and work on improving the product in order to get a respectable payout when we renegotiate the contract. This conference will be fine if we can resist the urge to dilute it with new members who don't bring the full package to the table.

BYU and Army football only would add to the value of the AAC.

Two things that are backwards steps: partial membership and academies.

Taking in a program without football has been proven not to work. So many posters are caught up in what happened lately. Wichita State had a great run, but without football they don't have a future at the big boy table. Kansas is not exactly a football hotbed anyway.

With the academies you're basically saying "we believe an extremely selective institution with height/weight restrictions and no NFL prospects can compete in our league week in and week out." Not exactly big time football.

If I were the commish I would invite UMass because I think Navy will flounder and go back to being an independent, where they belong. This is a short term cash grab for them. UMass could very well be on the way to becoming the premier basketball program in the state. Harvard can't get the guys they can and nobody wants the BC job. They should have never canned Skinner. Kellogg at UMass is a solid recruiter and is a former player and alumnus.

(04-01-2014 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Two things that are backwards steps: partial membership and academies.

Taking in a program without football has been proven not to work. So many posters are caught up in what happened lately. Wichita State had a great run, but without football they don't have a future at the big boy table. Kansas is not exactly a football hotbed anyway.

With the academies you're basically saying "we believe an extremely selective institution with height/weight restrictions and no NFL prospects can compete in our league week in and week out." Not exactly big time football.

If I were the commish I would invite UMass because I think Navy will flounder and go back to being an independent, where they belong. This is a short term cash grab for them. UMass could very well be on the way to becoming the premier basketball program in the state. Harvard can't get the guys they can and nobody wants the BC job. They should have never canned Skinner. Kellogg at UMass is a solid recruiter and is a former player and alumnus.

Skinner had to be fired, if I remember correctly and BC fans can correct me, but he just stopped putting any effort into recruiting.

(04-01-2014 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Two things that are backwards steps: partial membership and academies.

Taking in a program without football has been proven not to work. So many posters are caught up in what happened lately. Wichita State had a great run, but without football they don't have a future at the big boy table. Kansas is not exactly a football hotbed anyway.

Wrong. Partial memberships have been proven to work very, very well. The Big East was considered a major conference from 2005-2012 ONLY because of its basketball strength. If the C7 & ND had broken away, the Big East would not have had a major tv contract.

Notre Dame to the ACC also has proven to be quite lucrative for the ACC.

People forget that it was the C7 who broke away from the American, not the other way around. We wanted them to stay. We need to add Dayton and Wichita, and maybe VCU and SLU too. And we needed to do it yesterday.

(04-01-2014 06:23 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Two things that are backwards steps: partial membership and academies.

Taking in a program without football has been proven not to work. So many posters are caught up in what happened lately. Wichita State had a great run, but without football they don't have a future at the big boy table. Kansas is not exactly a football hotbed anyway.

Wrong. Partial memberships have been proven to work very, very well. The Big East was considered a major conference from 2005-2012 ONLY because of its basketball strength. If the C7 & ND had broken away, the Big East would not have had a major tv contract.

Notre Dame to the ACC also has proven to be quite lucrative for the ACC.

People forget that it was the C7 who broke away from the American, not the other way around. We wanted them to stay. We need to add Dayton and Wichita, and maybe VCU and SLU too. And we needed to do it yesterday.

The Big East still had UL, Pitt and SU at that point. It wasn't until those 3 left that losing the C7 (really Marquette, Georgetown and Villanova) killed the value.

(04-01-2014 06:23 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Two things that are backwards steps: partial membership and academies.

Taking in a program without football has been proven not to work. So many posters are caught up in what happened lately. Wichita State had a great run, but without football they don't have a future at the big boy table. Kansas is not exactly a football hotbed anyway.

Wrong. Partial memberships have been proven to work very, very well. The Big East was considered a major conference from 2005-2012 ONLY because of its basketball strength. If the C7 & ND had broken away, the Big East would not have had a major tv contract.

Notre Dame to the ACC also has proven to be quite lucrative for the ACC.

People forget that it was the C7 who broke away from the American, not the other way around. We wanted them to stay. We need to add Dayton and Wichita, and maybe VCU and SLU too. And we needed to do it yesterday.

I agree. I'd be all for this. Why? Because its much easier to reload when you are strong than when you are weak. Five years from now after lots of success---it could all end if the Big-12 takes Cinci and UConn. If we strengthen basketball now, the loss hurts, but its easier to reload with strong basketball schools that keep the basketball side valuable in the league still included 5-8 solid basketball schools. That said, strong investments in quality coaching could raise the level of the bottom 5 AAC schools. SMU has proven that.

Wichita State's attendance is one of the best in the non power conferences at over 10K per game, only Dayton, UConn & Memphis draw more. They will somewherelse besides the MVC soon and if the AAC doesn't invite them, the A10 or Big East will.
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AAC has to have long range plans, Down the road AAC is gonna need Mass.
population of Mass is 6.6 million & will draw intrest from RI, NH, Maine, Vermont & Albany NY area.
Mass FB program with sch agreement, bowl options & part of TV package can grow & when needed can be added to conf
Mass BB added to conf now, is strong right now & if they bring 2 to 5,000 to Barclay center pays for themselves.
VCU is strong program in southeast Va, would also pay for themselves with BB credits & their market would be top of AAC list
AAC has to be in NY, between Conn, Mass & Buffalo would be strong preance in NY state
Buffalo would have srong market in western NY & would help with atten at Barclay center
B-10 & ACC are jocking for preance in NYC, why isn,t AAC.
UTEP in western Tex would also be strong market, it's important for AAC to cut off MWC from coming east in future realinements
that would be 14 FB with 1 affiliate member
15 BB members

(04-01-2014 10:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  Two things that are backwards steps: partial membership and academies.

Taking in a program without football has been proven not to work. So many posters are caught up in what happened lately. Wichita State had a great run, but without football they don't have a future at the big boy table. Kansas is not exactly a football hotbed anyway.

With the academies you're basically saying "we believe an extremely selective institution with height/weight restrictions and no NFL prospects can compete in our league week in and week out." Not exactly big time football.

If I were the commish I would invite UMass because I think Navy will flounder and go back to being an independent, where they belong. This is a short term cash grab for them. UMass could very well be on the way to becoming the premier basketball program in the state. Harvard can't get the guys they can and nobody wants the BC job. They should have never canned Skinner. Kellogg at UMass is a solid recruiter and is a former player and alumnus.

You love to leave out major facts.

The Big East did not fail just because it was a hybrid. It failed because it was surrounded by a pack of hungry wolves. It had a lot more to do with Pac-12, Big 10, Big 12, and ACC expansion more than anything.

Hybrid or not teams in the current Big East would still leave for the ACC because it's simply a better basketball conference and pays more.

(04-01-2014 07:21 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 06:59 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 01:14 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-01-2014 12:05 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-31-2014 11:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  you realize Houston has a better resume than that?

and i don't fear competition, and in basketball its a great thing as it increases rpi

wichita adds little value money wise on their average season which isnt a tourney team, they have a decent run under their current coach but its almost certain he will be hired away in the next 2 years. if not this season to Marquette or Tennessee

im looking for who can increase our value money wise and not unless wichita pulls 30-0 season every year they arent the add. a decent to bad wichita is dead weight

Houston has a better resume than most teams in the country in football and basketball, I'm well aware of that. But there are no more "Houston's" who want to join the AAC. And once again I said they are not world beaters nor am I saying you need to add them now. I'm simply saying that some of you are wrong by implying they have only been good for one season.

You say your not making this claim out of fear of competition but you sure do sound like it. Marshall makes 1.7 million and I'm sure he has a huge buyout. It would be pretty stupid for anyone to buy him out and pay him more money than that.

And finally I have to respond to this because this came of as ignorant. Your calling them dead weight but when was the last time Houston made it to the sweet sixteen let alone the final four? Probably before you were even born in 1984. And I like and watch Houston football because of family ties but that's not exactly been something to beat your chest over either. And I don't think you really want to compare Houston to Wichita in other sports such as baseball because they have a national championship and almost twice the amount of tourney appearances. So how is Wichita from a competitive stand point any more dead weight than Houston is?

I would really love to see if you would say that again if I took the time to compare Houston vs Wichita in the sports you both play.

Houston is in the largest city in the south, 4th largest in america,, top 10 tv market top 5 recruiting city, with 3x the student body as WSU,. again we are talking monetary value, potential future value aswell as longterm competitive value, sustainability. [b] (remove the last 2 years and wichita has not exactly been good)[/b]
again wichita was dramatically better than Houston this year no-one is arguing that. but value and building a long term valuable league gouston has dramatically more value.
look at byu if they had a 13-19 win season they are still byu and worth a ton of money. Wichita st has a 13-19 season they are that small university in that mediocre/subpar market and below average name brand.

i don't mind competition at all, everyone here would take byu in a heartbeat, who made the tourney this year and has proven to be a consistent winner almost year in an out. not just 2 years in 30 like wsu

Dude I lived in Houston for five years and my fiance graduated from UH. Houston is already in the AAC stop comparing them because I would like to refrain from commenting on Houston's market value. And BYU does not want to join.

From a purely competitive standpoint Wichita is neck and neck with Houston if you look at both of their histories in multiple sports. And again for the LOVE OF GOD please Google search Wichita State basketball. They have not only been good for the last two years. That's like saying remove Cincinnati's national championship year and another one of their best years.

The AAC does not need markets. You need your top teams to continue doing what they are doing but you also need consistency in the middle. You have to be a fool to even claim that at a minimum Wichita would not be a seven loss team or better most years.

Just noticed you reside in Huntsville, quite a drive... And one I only make while driving to Dallas... Thank god... No offense.

Back to Wichita... I think Wichita is a good basketball program, but look at their competition in the conference they're currently in... Houston on the other hand outstanding basketball history came at the expense of the UT's, A&M's, Arkansas, Oklahoma's of the worlds and that's not counting the football, golf, track etc.

Houston's market penetration is quite simple... UT, A&M, and Houston in that order.

Lmao driving though Texas is worse than driving from state to state sometimes.

Wichita is a flash in the pan. Hold out for a real program.