(03-29-2014 12:21 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 12:21 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  Can we save the conference realignment crap for the offseason? Unlike every team picked over us, Uconn is playing

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Ok Hank, Since you said it twice we will stop talking about it. BTW, you and Gomez supposedly died from the Nazis helping Walter White so I'm surprised to see you here.

So, in summary:

Syracuse marketing to NYC = Smart
Syracuse saying they are NYC's home team = Delusional

ummm Syracuse NEVER says they are New York City's team... EVER! They call themselves "New York's College Team" and that runs in ads and television stations in EVERY market of New York State. NYC, Albany, Utica, Binghamton, Rochester, Buffalo, Elmira/Corning, and the Hudson Valley. They are trying to out market SUNY and keep the University Centers from thinking they can build a presence within big time athletics. It was a direct response a few years ago to SUNY Buffalo's push to become THE university of New York instead of UB or SUNY Buffalo. While they didn't end up changing their name, they do try and highlight the "NEW YORK" of SUNY on a lot of their jerseys now. Though I don't think the other 3 SUNY University Centers or 63 other SUNY campuses in general would ever let them run with the New York name alone.

All of that said, I think UCONN showed that had the American held onto the name and Tourney, it would have filled a couple sessions at the Garden. The AAC has a chance to really plant its flag at the Garden this week. UCONN in the East Regional Final and SMU in the NIT Final Four. May be the American can host/schedule some sort of Kick-off Tourney for the Garden each fall for more Garden exposure.

(03-29-2014 01:41 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ummm Syracuse NEVER says they are New York City's team... EVER! They call themselves "New York's College Team" and that runs in ads and television stations in EVERY market of New York State. NYC, Albany, Utica, Binghamton, Rochester, Buffalo, Elmira/Corning, and the Hudson Valley. They are trying to out market SUNY and keep the University Centers from thinking they can build a presence within big time athletics. It was a direct response a few years ago to SUNY Buffalo's push to become THE university of New York instead of UB or SUNY Buffalo. While they didn't end up changing their name, they do try and highlight the "NEW YORK" of SUNY on a lot of their jerseys now. Though I don't think the other 3 SUNY University Centers or 63 other SUNY campuses in general would ever let them run with the New York name alone.

That may be the way it appears to you . . . and to them.

But when I stand in front of MSG and a taxi pulls up with a decal that says "New York's College Team", I'm thinking New York City. Why? Because that's where I am. And that's the way every New Yorker thinks. No one, I repeat, No one in New York City makes the distinction you're making. When you say "New York in NYC, everyone thinks that it's The City that you're referring to.

On top of that, the claim that a relatively small private university from a backwater in Central NY is THE college team for the entire state is equally ludicrous - if not more so. It is an audacious claim that absolutely no one outside of Syracuse and its environs will get behind. Why should I cheer for Syracuse if I didn't go there? It doesn't represent me. A SUNY school does even if I didn't go there. My tax dollars support it. It represents my state even if it's 400 miles away in Buffalo. But I don't have the slightest connection to SU. None. Zero.

(03-29-2014 01:41 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I think UCONN showed that had the American held onto the name and Tourney, it would have filled a couple sessions at the Garden. The AAC has a chance to really plant its flag at the Garden this week. UCONN in the East Regional Final and SMU in the NIT Final Four. May be the American can host/schedule some sort of Kick-off Tourney for the Garden each fall for more Garden exposure.

Last time the Big East had 10 teams, it didn't fill the Garden - even with UConn and Syracuse.

Why did They name New York after New York anyway ?

(03-29-2014 11:57 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  No resident of the Big Apple not already affiliated with Syracuse is buying it.

Frank's point is that the Syracuse campaign is aimed as much at ACC/Big Ten decisionmakers* as it is at New Yorkers.

* I'd add recruits as well. NYC has some appeal, and not all 17 year olds are going to get that Syracuse isn't a suburb of NYC.

(03-29-2014 12:15 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:43 AM)krux Wrote:  This is dumb lol

The only teams NYC cares about:
Knicks
Yankees
Mets
Nets
Islanders
Rangers
Jets
Giants
Bills

Knicks over Yankees?

Isles over Rangers?

It's a list not a ranking.

I don't think there was anything else UConn could've done to get in the ACC this last time...

I firmly believe that after the uproar of 2010, Rutgers was given assurances by the B-10 that they would be invited, so that when Cuse & Pitt left, Rutgers was conspicuous by their silence. the dog that did NOT bark in the night...

So when Cuse & Pitt announced their departure, it was UConn who went into full-on frantic mode similar to what Rutgers had done previously. But then... they quieted down. So that after the MD announcement, they also did NOT bark in the night...

They clearly, it seems to me, also got assurances from the ACC, and even Jurich said everyone was 'penning' in UConn to take MD's place. But just then, the tables were turned and FSU, Clemson, and apparently Cuse lobbied hard for UofL... w/ possibly threats of departure of FSU & Clemson to the B-12 if they didn't get what they wanted.

So, in the final analysis, it wasn't the marketing prowess of UConn... and yet, at the same time, they did need to 'market' themselves to Clemson & FSU. NYC marketing won't necessarily turn the trick, but it can't hurt.

People forget that the BE was renewed as a BCS conference, part of the Big Six, at about 2008, IIRC-- the conference was flying high, really, right before the crash, and while it was performing well (that was about to change on the gridiron), and had a unique makeup w/ local hoops flavor + ND, I still believe that the biggest thing it had going for it was the triumvirate of Rutgers, Cuse & Uconn encircling NYC...

(03-29-2014 10:43 AM)krux Wrote:  This is dumb lol

The only teams NYC cares about:
Knicks
Yankees
Mets
Nets
Islanders
Rangers
Jets
Giants
Bills

Everyone else is fighting over being the tallest midget.

Same thing in Chicago. I went to the gigantic Sports Authority store in Chicago last weekend and asked if they had any University of Chicago-Illinois shirts and the staff (meaning more than one) said "Is that a real school?". The only college gear I could find was a tiny section on the 8th floor, literally in the back corner. All they had was Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St, IU, Northwestern and oddly enough they had a shirt for both UK and UofL...no DePaul gear. Notre Dame had the biggest section by far and that was still maybe 4 t-shirts and a pair of basketball shorts.

Moral of the story. These cities don't give a fugg about college sports.

If this is the case, why did the BIG take Rutgers to allegedly get into the market if it does not carry any ratings. It had to have some effect.

After reading the prior posts, please disregard this post, if you have not done so already.

(03-29-2014 05:16 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:43 AM)krux Wrote:  This is dumb lol

The only teams NYC cares about:
Knicks
Yankees
Mets
Nets
Islanders
Rangers
Jets
Giants
Bills

Everyone else is fighting over being the tallest midget.

Same thing in Chicago. I went to the gigantic Sports Authority store in Chicago last weekend and asked if they had any University of Chicago-Illinois shirts and the staff (meaning more than one) said "Is that a real school?". The only college gear I could find was a tiny section on the 8th floor, literally in the back corner. All they had was Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St, IU, Northwestern and oddly enough they had a shirt for both UK and UofL...no DePaul gear. Notre Dame had the biggest section by far and that was still maybe 4 t-shirts and a pair of basketball shorts.

Moral of the story. These cities don't give a fugg about college sports.

If this is the case, why did the BIG take Rutgers to allegedly get into the market if it does not carry any ratings. It had to have some effect.

New Jersey (on its own) is the 11th most populated state in the country with just under 9 million residents.

I wonder why sny chooses uconn first over all the others, cuse, Rutgers, st johns...he has a point here.
sadly BC lobbied hard against UConn also their football sucked when the acc was looking. if we had edsall an strong football, we would have been in the acc, mark my words.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS BUILD THIS CONFERENCE.
FB strength schools.
HOUSTON, CINCI, ECU, UCF. Four are solid, Tulsa was offered for their FB strength and sadly they had an off year, they must come back. We need UConn and usf fb back.........

(03-29-2014 11:10 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UConnFB - I was convinced that UConn was going to get into the ACC, but was wrong. In looking back, yes, UConn did not do a good job marketing itself compared to its competition. It let Louisville get away with the perception that it was the "football choice" despite the fact that UConn was the one with the most recent BCS bowl berth at the time that the ACC decision was made, and let Syracuse and Rutgers take the "NYC market" mantle. That was a poor PR performance at the worst possible time. UConn should be in a power conference, but my firm belief is that they just expected outsiders to just know all about its academics, location and basketball brand without further selling (as evidenced by UConn's AD being in the Bahamas while Tom Jurich was personally lobbying ACC officials). It might seem stupid, but that subjective and personal touch matters more than people want to admit.

While what you said may have some truth to it concerning the ACC offer, just getting to a BCS game is not enough. The year you got there was basically because the other teams in the BE were down that year -- not that UConn had an exceptional season or record. Also getting there is not enough if you don't win or at least come close. But conference alignment was a lot more than just football, even though it is the main driver.

The ACC schools did not want another north school for one thing. While Louisville is not truly southern, we have more in common with them and are more convenient than continually adding northern schools. Also, we had sports across the board on a major upswing with conference titles, attendance, facilities, and dedication to continued growth. We have an extremely loyal fanbase that made us the only school in the country that has been able to rank in the top 25 of revenue even though it was not huge football money -- ours is basketball. Way more than anyone else.

And while many try to gripe about our academics we are one of the fastest climbing schools in recent years in what we have already done and are projected to do in the future. We had more Fulbright scholars 2-3 years ago than any other school in the country. We have some great departments here for academics including business, engineering, medical, sports medicine. Many of the schools in the ACC were former conference mates of ours from decades ago, not even considering the new ones from the BE association.

While the Louisville market may not be as large as some, they are more dedicated to sports than a lot of larger markets. We have led in basketball viewership for the last several years over any market in the country. So while the football schools get what they want, the BB heavy schools were also getting what they want--another top school with huge devotion to the sport. So it was easier to give into the football schools demands.

Uconn was caught with its pants down. Plus they hired Coach P at the wrong time and Louisville struck goal with Strong. Just bad timing with the ACC issues, and BC is embarrassing bad and they had to take a quick fix for football asap. Another northeast school that was as bad as BC wasn't going to cut it. Since FSU was freaking out. Be it a short term fix though. But I feel if uconn asked the B1G what do we need to do... they would do it. Unlike the 2nd best school in a southern state uconn does have resources and state money to work with. Going by uconn basketball there is significant amount of fans in CT and NY so if uconn actually started to win at football it would get packed fast.

(03-29-2014 05:19 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 05:16 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:43 AM)krux Wrote:  This is dumb lol

The only teams NYC cares about:
Knicks
Yankees
Mets
Nets
Islanders
Rangers
Jets
Giants
Bills

Everyone else is fighting over being the tallest midget.

Same thing in Chicago. I went to the gigantic Sports Authority store in Chicago last weekend and asked if they had any University of Chicago-Illinois shirts and the staff (meaning more than one) said "Is that a real school?". The only college gear I could find was a tiny section on the 8th floor, literally in the back corner. All they had was Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan St, IU, Northwestern and oddly enough they had a shirt for both UK and UofL...no DePaul gear. Notre Dame had the biggest section by far and that was still maybe 4 t-shirts and a pair of basketball shorts.

Moral of the story. These cities don't give a fugg about college sports.

If this is the case, why did the BIG take Rutgers to allegedly get into the market if it does not carry any ratings. It had to have some effect.

New Jersey (on its own) is the 11th most populated state in the country with just under 9 million residents.

I'm on your side. I just had not read the other posts when I posted my response. Just win the tournament. I am rooting for UConn.

(03-29-2014 11:56 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 11:10 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UConnFB - I was convinced that UConn was going to get into the ACC, but was wrong. In looking back, yes, UConn did not do a good job marketing itself compared to its competition. It let Louisville get away with the perception that it was the "football choice" despite the fact that UConn was the one with the most recent BCS bowl berth at the time that the ACC decision was made, and let Syracuse and Rutgers take the "NYC market" mantle. That was a poor PR performance at the worst possible time. UConn should be in a power conference, but my firm belief is that they just expected outsiders to just know all about its academics, location and basketball brand without further selling (as evidenced by UConn's AD being in the Bahamas while Tom Jurich was personally lobbying ACC officials). It might seem stupid, but that subjective and personal touch matters more than people want to admit.

Posts like this are why I am continually amazed at why you are even remotely considered an authority on this topic.

Say what?

Don't think anyone reputable would dare suggest that...and the only one that might would be:



Maybe...just maybe he might...not sure.

Only thing that this thread proves is that some college in New York needs to change its name to the University of New York and make a commitment to sports. They will take over NYC college viewing rating's within 20 years. I think the name alone would get them an AAC invite to start out.

(03-29-2014 10:45 AM)UConnFB Wrote:  Syracuse needs a marketing plan in NYC because Syracuse is a good 5 hours from NYC..

Why? Syracuse is in the ACC. UCONN is the school that needs to market itself to other power conferences (or should I say the B10)....

(03-29-2014 01:41 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ummm Syracuse NEVER says they are New York City's team... EVER! They call themselves "New York's College Team" and that runs in ads and television stations in EVERY market of New York State. NYC, Albany, Utica, Binghamton, Rochester, Buffalo, Elmira/Corning, and the Hudson Valley. They are trying to out market SUNY and keep the University Centers from thinking they can build a presence within big time athletics. It was a direct response a few years ago to SUNY Buffalo's push to become THE university of New York instead of UB or SUNY Buffalo. While they didn't end up changing their name, they do try and highlight the "NEW YORK" of SUNY on a lot of their jerseys now. Though I don't think the other 3 SUNY University Centers or 63 other SUNY campuses in general would ever let them run with the New York name alone.

All of that said, I think UCONN showed that had the American held onto the name and Tourney, it would have filled a couple sessions at the Garden. The AAC has a chance to really plant its flag at the Garden this week. UCONN in the East Regional Final and SMU in the NIT Final Four. May be the American can host/schedule some sort of Kick-off Tourney for the Garden each fall for more Garden exposure.

UConn and Syracuse really dominate NYC for basketball. It's practically equal. Syracuse has more of the middle class while UConn has more of the boroughs. Go into the boroughs where they play basketball, and ask them who they like. It's North Carolina and UConn. This is why UConn grabs NYC's best basketball players while Syracuse is Philly and Baltimore/DC based.

As for Rutgers football, the B1G is soon to find out they bought a lemon. To the extent NYC cares, it really is Notre Dame and Penn State. One Nate Silver study of website hit convinced people otherwise, but the Harris pollsters have been looking at this for ages, and Rutgers doesn't move things.

By the way, Syracuse put their advertisements up long before Buffalo started emphasizing New York. The idea to emphasize New York was lamebrained and the sole idea of the AD White, not the administration, which had spent millions rebranding the school from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo.