(03-30-2014 05:44 AM)Crazier Wrote:  Only thing that this thread proves is that some college in New York needs to change its name to the University of New York and make a commitment to sports. They will take over NYC college viewing rating's within 20 years. I think the name alone would get them an AAC invite to start out.

(03-30-2014 09:11 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 01:41 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  ummm Syracuse NEVER says they are New York City's team... EVER! They call themselves "New York's College Team" and that runs in ads and television stations in EVERY market of New York State. NYC, Albany, Utica, Binghamton, Rochester, Buffalo, Elmira/Corning, and the Hudson Valley. They are trying to out market SUNY and keep the University Centers from thinking they can build a presence within big time athletics. It was a direct response a few years ago to SUNY Buffalo's push to become THE university of New York instead of UB or SUNY Buffalo. While they didn't end up changing their name, they do try and highlight the "NEW YORK" of SUNY on a lot of their jerseys now. Though I don't think the other 3 SUNY University Centers or 63 other SUNY campuses in general would ever let them run with the New York name alone.

All of that said, I think UCONN showed that had the American held onto the name and Tourney, it would have filled a couple sessions at the Garden. The AAC has a chance to really plant its flag at the Garden this week. UCONN in the East Regional Final and SMU in the NIT Final Four. May be the American can host/schedule some sort of Kick-off Tourney for the Garden each fall for more Garden exposure.

UConn and Syracuse really dominate NYC for basketball. It's practically equal. Syracuse has more of the middle class while UConn has more of the boroughs. Go into the boroughs where they play basketball, and ask them who they like. It's North Carolina and UConn. This is why UConn grabs NYC's best basketball players while Syracuse is Philly and Baltimore/DC based.

Sure. St. John's isn't even a blip on the radar.

(03-29-2014 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There are several programs with decent-sized fan bases in NYC: UConn, Syracuse and St. John's for basketball, and Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers and a smattering of others for football. No one truly owns it in the way that, say, USC and UCLA dominate LA. Let's not be obtuse here: when either Syracuse or UConn play at MSG, it's a hot ticket. The fact that Syracuse is using a marketing plan to highlight that act shouldn't be criticized - UConn really needs to be doing the same to position themselves for the future.

Agree with your point, except the SJU part.

Have a question for everyone: If SJU beat Georgetown on a FS-1 televised game, and no one saw it - did it really happen?

Also do not agree about the Rutgers part. We have all seen what happens to the support when their football season falls apart.

The gist of Frank's post is correct. UConn needs to utilize MSG during the season as well.

(03-30-2014 10:15 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  

(03-29-2014 10:00 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There are several programs with decent-sized fan bases in NYC: UConn, Syracuse and St. John's for basketball, and Notre Dame, Penn State, Rutgers and a smattering of others for football. No one truly owns it in the way that, say, USC and UCLA dominate LA. Let's not be obtuse here: when either Syracuse or UConn play at MSG, it's a hot ticket. The fact that Syracuse is using a marketing plan to highlight that act shouldn't be criticized - UConn really needs to be doing the same to position themselves for the future.

Agree with your point, except the SJU part.

Have a question for everyone: If SJU beat Georgetown on a FS-1 televised game, and no one saw it - did it really happen?

Also do not agree about the Rutgers part. We have all seen what happens to the support when their football season falls apart.

The gist of Frank's post is correct. UConn needs to utilize MSG during the season as well.

No one in Connecticut is interested in that. They want their home games played in Connecticut. When Notre Dame offered to play UConn in The Meadowlands, the Connecticut legislature intervened with a resounding "No!" despite the obvious advantages to having Notre Dame on the schedule.

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(03-30-2014 09:11 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  By the way, Syracuse put their advertisements up long before Buffalo started emphasizing New York. The idea to emphasize New York was lamebrained and the sole idea of the AD White, not the administration, which had spent millions rebranding the school from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo.

By what measure has the move by White "cost millions"... If anything White has done it on the cheap, which would be my complaint.

Their were no new uniforms, no big ad campaigns.... White did the following last season

1 - Changed our Buffalo radio station from WECK to the Fan
2 - Paid for some air time on the fan in NYC
3 - got some UB games on Bloomberg radio in NYC
4 - got a weekly coaches show and a deal for 6-10 UB hoops/football games on WGRZ (over the air games on the most watched TV station in Buffalo)

I've seen most of these contracts and trust me when I say UB is not "spending millions" on the rebrand. Things like the floor at alumni had to be done as maintance in any event.

What they are doing is reaping money from a surge in donations and ticket sales over previous seasons.

UB's attendance is still quite modest but in terms of sales this seasons 6 homes games all ranked within the previous top ten for UB's time in FBS. While that was going on donations large and small have increased.

Please tell me where the "millions have been spent" on this? White started the NYBI last spring and UB's annual athletic budget is typically about 28 million. So youre telling me that 4% of UB's total budget this past year was spent on the NYBI?

Start spreading the news....... NewConn ,NewConn

(04-05-2014 06:07 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 09:11 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  By the way, Syracuse put their advertisements up long before Buffalo started emphasizing New York. The idea to emphasize New York was lamebrained and the sole idea of the AD White, not the administration, which had spent millions rebranding the school from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo.

By what measure has the move by White "cost millions"... If anything White has done it on the cheap, which would be my complaint.

Their were no new uniforms, no big ad campaigns.... White did the following last season

1 - Changed our Buffalo radio station from WECK to the Fan
2 - Paid for some air time on the fan in NYC
3 - got some UB games on Bloomberg radio in NYC
4 - got a weekly coaches show and a deal for 6-10 UB hoops/football games on WGRZ (over the air games on the most watched TV station in Buffalo)

I've seen most of these contracts and trust me when I say UB is not "spending millions" on the rebrand. Things like the floor at alumni had to be done as maintance in any event.

What they are doing is reaping money from a surge in donations and ticket sales over previous seasons.

UB's attendance is still quite modest but in terms of sales this seasons 6 homes games all ranked within the previous top ten for UB's time in FBS. While that was going on donations large and small have increased.

Please tell me where the "millions have been spent" on this? White started the NYBI last spring and UB's annual athletic budget is typically about 28 million. So youre telling me that 4% of UB's total budget this past year was spent on the NYBI?

I'm talking about the university brand, the change from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo. That was done a decade ago at great expense.

You don't just up and decide to rebrand your own university as an AD.

(04-05-2014 08:00 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 06:07 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 09:11 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  By the way, Syracuse put their advertisements up long before Buffalo started emphasizing New York. The idea to emphasize New York was lamebrained and the sole idea of the AD White, not the administration, which had spent millions rebranding the school from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo.

By what measure has the move by White "cost millions"... If anything White has done it on the cheap, which would be my complaint.

Their were no new uniforms, no big ad campaigns.... White did the following last season

1 - Changed our Buffalo radio station from WECK to the Fan
2 - Paid for some air time on the fan in NYC
3 - got some UB games on Bloomberg radio in NYC
4 - got a weekly coaches show and a deal for 6-10 UB hoops/football games on WGRZ (over the air games on the most watched TV station in Buffalo)

I've seen most of these contracts and trust me when I say UB is not "spending millions" on the rebrand. Things like the floor at alumni had to be done as maintance in any event.

What they are doing is reaping money from a surge in donations and ticket sales over previous seasons.

UB's attendance is still quite modest but in terms of sales this seasons 6 homes games all ranked within the previous top ten for UB's time in FBS. While that was going on donations large and small have increased.

Please tell me where the "millions have been spent" on this? White started the NYBI last spring and UB's annual athletic budget is typically about 28 million. So youre telling me that 4% of UB's total budget this past year was spent on the NYBI?

I'm talking about the university brand, the change from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo. That was done a decade ago at great expense.

You don't just up and decide to rebrand your own university as an AD.

Sorry you mentioning White and the U Buffalo decision a decade ago confused me...

It seems to me the CEO of the Athletic Department should be able to push a new brand. He did not rename the school or the team. He simply decided that the largetst state school in NY might want to reach out to its alumni all over the state.

The University has not been rebranded, at all... The Diploma's today say the same thing that my 15 year old diploma says. The *SPORTS TEAMS* have been rebranded.

1. this thread reeks of an inferiority complex. your team made the FF and your first thought is to troll cuse?

2. i find it hilarious that people troll cuse for the New York ad campaign. What were you guys expecting? new york is a state just as much as it is a city and some of you guys are arguing that they shouldn't brand them selves as the states go to team because it would imply they are the city's college team as well. and whats especially hilarious is you guys think they shouldn't be doing this at a time when the sunys are rising???

(04-05-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. this thread reeks of an inferiority complex. your team made the FF and your first thought is to troll cuse?

2. i find it hilarious that people troll cuse for the New York ad campaign. What were you guys expecting? new york is a state just as much as it is a city and some of you guys are arguing that they shouldn't brand them selves as the states go to team because it would imply they are the city's college team as well. and whats especially hilarious is you guys think they shouldn't be doing this at a time when the sunys are rising???

Nah, it only reeks because you decided to post..........whatever it is you're trying to say. Go shovel that s*it over on the ACC board, you're not wanted nor needed here.

(04-05-2014 11:32 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. this thread reeks of an inferiority complex. your team made the FF and your first thought is to troll cuse?

2. i find it hilarious that people troll cuse for the New York ad campaign. What were you guys expecting? new york is a state just as much as it is a city and some of you guys are arguing that they shouldn't brand them selves as the states go to team because it would imply they are the city's college team as well. and whats especially hilarious is you guys think they shouldn't be doing this at a time when the sunys are rising???

Nah, it only reeks because you decided to post..........whatever it is you're trying to say. Go shovel that s*it over on the ACC board, you're not wanted nor needed here.

i stand corrected

(04-05-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. this thread reeks of an inferiority complex. your team made the FF and your first thought is to troll cuse?

2. i find it hilarious that people troll cuse for the New York ad campaign. What were you guys expecting? new york is a state just as much as it is a city and some of you guys are arguing that they shouldn't brand them selves as the states go to team because it would imply they are the city's college team as well. and whats especially hilarious is you guys think they shouldn't be doing this at a time when the sunys are rising???

As someone who grew up a 'Cuse fan... I know plenty of Orange fans that carry their advertising banner / campaign as if it is gospel and that they actually own the tri-state. Plenty of posters mention it, and some use it in their signature file. The school fired the first shot with the ongoing campaign, their fans revel in it, you've got to expect response when someone else they dismiss out NY's them. LOL I think it's all in good fun!

(04-05-2014 11:39 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. this thread reeks of an inferiority complex. your team made the FF and your first thought is to troll cuse?

2. i find it hilarious that people troll cuse for the New York ad campaign. What were you guys expecting? new york is a state just as much as it is a city and some of you guys are arguing that they shouldn't brand them selves as the states go to team because it would imply they are the city's college team as well. and whats especially hilarious is you guys think they shouldn't be doing this at a time when the sunys are rising???

As someone who grew up a 'Cuse fan... I know plenty of Orange fans that carry their advertising banner / campaign as if it is gospel and that they actually own the tri-state. Plenty of posters mention it, and some use it in their signature file. The school fired the first shot with the ongoing campaign, their fans revel in it, you've got to expect response when someone else they dismiss out NY's them. LOL I think it's all in good fun!

its all in good fun. but seriously, uconn is in the ccg and THIS is what uconn fans are fixated on???

Neither one is New Yorks team. They both have fans that travel well to places such as new York

(04-06-2014 12:21 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Neither one arwnew Yorks team. They both have fans that travel welltobplaves such as new yYork

is that english you're speaking/typing?

(04-05-2014 11:41 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 11:39 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 11:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  1. this thread reeks of an inferiority complex. your team made the FF and your first thought is to troll cuse?

2. i find it hilarious that people troll cuse for the New York ad campaign. What were you guys expecting? new york is a state just as much as it is a city and some of you guys are arguing that they shouldn't brand them selves as the states go to team because it would imply they are the city's college team as well. and whats especially hilarious is you guys think they shouldn't be doing this at a time when the sunys are rising???

As someone who grew up a 'Cuse fan... I know plenty of Orange fans that carry their advertising banner / campaign as if it is gospel and that they actually own the tri-state. Plenty of posters mention it, and some use it in their signature file. The school fired the first shot with the ongoing campaign, their fans revel in it, you've got to expect response when someone else they dismiss out NY's them. LOL I think it's all in good fun!

its all in good fun. but seriously, uconn is in the ccg and THIS is what uconn fans are fixated on???

Are you really so dense that you cannot figure out this thread was started on 3/29?

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(04-06-2014 12:29 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(04-06-2014 12:21 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  Neither one arwnew Yorks team. They both have fans that travel welltobplaves such as new yYork

is that english you're speaking/typing?

it was meant to be. used my phone and typed a few wrong keys.. it happens

(04-05-2014 10:53 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 08:00 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2014 06:07 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(03-30-2014 09:11 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  By the way, Syracuse put their advertisements up long before Buffalo started emphasizing New York. The idea to emphasize New York was lamebrained and the sole idea of the AD White, not the administration, which had spent millions rebranding the school from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo.

By what measure has the move by White "cost millions"... If anything White has done it on the cheap, which would be my complaint.

Their were no new uniforms, no big ad campaigns.... White did the following last season

1 - Changed our Buffalo radio station from WECK to the Fan
2 - Paid for some air time on the fan in NYC
3 - got some UB games on Bloomberg radio in NYC
4 - got a weekly coaches show and a deal for 6-10 UB hoops/football games on WGRZ (over the air games on the most watched TV station in Buffalo)

I've seen most of these contracts and trust me when I say UB is not "spending millions" on the rebrand. Things like the floor at alumni had to be done as maintance in any event.

What they are doing is reaping money from a surge in donations and ticket sales over previous seasons.

UB's attendance is still quite modest but in terms of sales this seasons 6 homes games all ranked within the previous top ten for UB's time in FBS. While that was going on donations large and small have increased.

Please tell me where the "millions have been spent" on this? White started the NYBI last spring and UB's annual athletic budget is typically about 28 million. So youre telling me that 4% of UB's total budget this past year was spent on the NYBI?

I'm talking about the university brand, the change from SUNY-Buffalo to U. Buffalo. That was done a decade ago at great expense.

You don't just up and decide to rebrand your own university as an AD.

Sorry you mentioning White and the U Buffalo decision a decade ago confused me...

It seems to me the CEO of the Athletic Department should be able to push a new brand. He did not rename the school or the team. He simply decided that the largetst state school in NY might want to reach out to its alumni all over the state.

The University has not been rebranded, at all... The Diploma's today say the same thing that my 15 year old diploma says. The *SPORTS TEAMS* have been rebranded.

Trust me when I say it did not go over well at all. This is what happens when administrators don't know much about sports. They let the AD do whatever. The blowback was immense from the Buffalo billionaires and community.

(04-06-2014 06:46 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  Trust me when I say it did not go over well at all. This is what happens when administrators don't know much about sports. They let the AD do whatever. The blowback was immense from the Buffalo billionaires and community.

I'm pretty tied in with UB athletics and the community / fan base...

There was a very loud minority of fans upset by the NYBI but they were more than offset by supporters last year. The seasons attendance and donation marks have thinned out the number of people complaining even more.

After 12 months of NYBI white is more popular than he was before it, despite the random prostesations of the B-Lo news and some anonymous spectrum editors.

SO let me ask you... If "the blow back from the billionairs and community" was immense how did it materialize?