(02-25-2014 11:19 AM)jimmyjuju Wrote:  I won't claim that I've witnessed or heard every interview Pastner has given. Of the few I have heard, he seems to say the same things over and over. From what I further gather, other fans have noted (and complained about) the script he seems to follow when talking to the media, e.g. winning is hard, the other team is awesome, etc. Like many others, I suspect that this is simply coach-speak. That is, he's not going to give the other team any bulletin board material or say controversial things that prove to be major distractions to his team or otherwise. On the whole, this is probably a wise strategy. Why say something stupid or impulsive? Why not stay on script?

Sometimes, however, Pastner comes off sounding like an idiot saying the same things over and over again. Again, I suspect he wants to keep it vanilla and fly under the media radar. But when the low-key method gets noticed, and the repetition becomes the story, well, it's probably time to change things up. Further, perception (unfortunately) is reality. Pastner may be the most brilliant and talented young coach in the country. But saying the same things over and over again can make him look like a simpleton.

In the balance of things, though, the above is very small potatoes. Pastner runs a good program and has great kids playing for Memphis. I've seen improvement each year, and I think being in a conference with UConn and Cincy (even though the dirty birds are leaving) is by far and away the best thing that has happened to the Tigers in years. With the exception of the Big 10, most power conferences have 2 or 3 good teams and the rest are also-rans. Take away Syracuse, and traditionally the ACC has really only Duke and UNC. The SEC is KY (barely this year) and FL. The Big 12 is basically KU and occasionally UT. The PAC 12 is UCLA (traditionally but not lately), AZ, and sometimes Stanford or OR.

So all in all, the Tigers are poised for great things to come, and Pastner is still young and doing a great job.

This pretty much sums it up.

(02-25-2014 11:16 AM)MM4Memphis Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

WORD!

If the idiots run Josh off I would not quit the program because we lost him, the program is bigger than any one person, I would quit because the idiots had acquired too much control and to support idiocy would put me, by default, into their ranks.

(02-25-2014 11:42 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:16 AM)MM4Memphis Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

WORD!

If the idiots run Josh off I would not quit the program because we lost him, the program is bigger than any one person, I would quit because the idiots had acquired too much control and to support idiocy would put me, by default, into their ranks.

With all due respect to you sir, this is completely ridiculous. You have spun, turned it inside out and upside down to come up with this. You can call it what you want, but at the end of the day, if you quit, you are not a "good fan". You are a "quitter". Oh, and by the way, you agreed with me, then went the other way anyway.

Wait I got an opinion. No I forgot what I was going to type. Wait a minute that opinion was around her some where. O h yes there it is, let me pull it out of my a$$ so you all can enjoy one more opinion. You guys crack me up!

(02-25-2014 12:16 PM)Reekinhavoc Wrote:  Wait I got an opinion. No I forgot what I was going to type. Wait a minute that opinion was around her some where. O h yes there it is, let me pull it out of my a$$ so you all can enjoy one more opinion. You guys crack me up!

Temple only has 2 conference wins for a reason. It's a pretty darn good conference. We showed flashes in that game, & they hit unbelievable shots. Like I said in a previous post, if we hit 70% from the line in that game we win by 20 because of all of the ancillary effects.

(02-25-2014 12:16 PM)Reekinhavoc Wrote:  Wait I got an opinion. No I forgot what I was going to type. Wait a minute that opinion was around her some where. O h yes there it is, let me pull it out of my a$$ so you all can enjoy one more opinion. You guys crack me up!

I wonder if the rich guys paying Josh's salary and bonuses and evaluating his overall job performance on and off the court post their opinions on here. Probably not. So many opinions.

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Quote:You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

And it is more repetitive, simple minded, and condescending than anything Pastner says in an interview.

(02-25-2014 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Well look at his name.

Interesting conversation. I know Josh has things that everyone questions from time to time, but every coach worth their salt had their share of struggles as they matured. This day and age, everything is hyper-analyzed due to social media and other outlets, and we sometimes lose the big picture of what's happening.

When I think back to the presser Josh gave upon accepting the head coaching position, how many of us then would have been happy with the number of wins he's posted since he took over? I would think most of us would have jumped at the numbers he's posted. Seems like the Tigers are expected to beat lesser teams by 30 every night, and never lose. The expectation level is set far too high, in my opinion. Some nights you just don't play well, for whatever reason. There are a lot of talented teams out there, and you don't just stroll into the tournament every year with only one or two losses. Despite that, I don't see a single "bad" loss on the Tigers' resume this year.

He has more than done his job with recruiting. On that I think we can all agree(?)

As for the coaching aspect, sure, there've been some stumbles and foibles, but good grief, the guy is still a puppy in the overall analysis. I would love to see him really get in the face of a ref just one time, instead of always seeming to look apologetic for questioning a call(s). And, I suppose I could do without some of the "Josh-isms." The "good players, well coached" routine does get old, but c'mon. But is it really that bad? Every coach has their quirks.

This is a good, young guy the Tigers have at the helm, we're lucky to have him, and I hope he stays a long time.

(02-25-2014 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Not hard to figure why someone would be more successful here than any other team in CUSA.. I don't even have a dog in this fight but you could have put Floyd, Eustacy here over that time frame and gotten close to the same results Imo..Recruiting is much easier here than any other CUSA Team would be..Jmo



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(02-25-2014 11:42 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:16 AM)MM4Memphis Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

WORD!

If the idiots run Josh off I would not quit the program because we lost him, the program is bigger than any one person, I would quit because the idiots had acquired too much control and to support idiocy would put me, by default, into their ranks.

You don't think thirty thousand posts on MT.org has already done that?

(02-25-2014 05:15 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Not hard to figure why someone would be more successful here than any other team in CUSA.. I don't even have a dog in this fight but you could have put Floyd, Eustacy here over that time frame and gotten close to the same results Imo..Recruiting is much easier here than any other CUSA Team would be..Jmo



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look how well Houston has done.

people that put down Pastner fall into two categories

1 . fans of other schools who dont want us to do well

2. weak minded Tiger fans that feel better by complaining.. May claim to be UTK haters and BlackBear haters, but they are actually doing the bidding for our enemies

(02-25-2014 05:15 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Not hard to figure why someone would be more successful here than any other team in CUSA.. I don't even have a dog in this fight but you could have put Floyd, Eustacy here over that time frame and gotten close to the same results Imo..Recruiting is much easier here than any other CUSA Team would be..Jmo



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You can't possibly be serious.

(02-25-2014 06:06 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 05:15 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Not hard to figure why someone would be more successful here than any other team in CUSA.. I don't even have a dog in this fight but you could have put Floyd, Eustacy here over that time frame and gotten close to the same results Imo..Recruiting is much easier here than any other CUSA Team would be..Jmo



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You can't possibly be serious.

If you disagree you disagree, I happen to believe that those coaches mentioned would have had about the same results here in that timeframe as Pastner has had.. CUSA was awful and has been for a long time..We were the only team most years that made the tourney..There was a reason for that you know..Those Coaches Probably wouldn't have gotten the same exact players but would have gotten some good enough to whip CUSA teams..This is not a knock on Pastner this is just talking about his winning percentages which are, in my opinion, paded because of CUSA..But he Won with what was put in front of him and that's what matters..


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(02-25-2014 05:15 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 03:33 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

This has been said many times on here, but5 I have yet to hear a valid answer to this question: If it were so easy to "pad his stats" in C-USA, why didn't anyone else do it? Tim Floyd, Larry Eustachy, etc., etc.. Nobody else did what he did, which was remarkable considering...no head coaching experience....no players....no office staff....no assistants.....

You people just babble to hear yourselves babble.

Not hard to figure why someone would be more successful here than any other team in CUSA.. I don't even have a dog in this fight but you could have put Floyd, Eustacy here over that time frame and gotten close to the same results Imo..Recruiting is much easier here than any other CUSA Team would be..Jmo



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So if good teams like UConn and Louisville and SMU are losing to teams that we never lost to; AND they had to play twice the number of games against these teams in conference...how many losses would they have against them? Let me know how the math works and how the end result would affect NCAA tournament bids and seeding.

Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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What about BRUCE PEARL?

(02-25-2014 06:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  What about BRUCE PEARL?

What about Skal?