Josh was using 2 phones in movie theaters when he was dating. That's never going to change, regardless of where he is coaching.

(02-24-2014 08:49 PM)Pastnerized Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 08:34 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 08:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  All Pastner was stating is it is difficult to beat every team for which we are favored. Temple is capable of beating a Top 25 team and a win over the Owls or any conference foe is cause for satisfaction rather than rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth.

Yep. Ask Syracuse, who is probably the best team this year, how a bad Boston College could beat them on their own court.

because they have a guy that can't coach anymore(getting too old).
If u watched the BC game, Syr. guards played matador defense. BC went to the hole and no one rotated for help defense. How can this be so late in the season? It can happen only if the players don't respect the coach; therefore they don't listen to him.

Also, last game, I heard that coach curse at the refs. How can his players respect that?

AND he needs to lose the comb over.

All true, I think he may also repeat himself in interviews.

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

(02-24-2014 08:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  All Pastner was stating is it is difficult to beat every team for which we are favored. Temple is capable of beating a Top 25 team and a win over the Owls or any conference foe is cause for satisfaction rather than rending of clothing and gnashing of teeth.

Temple showed they can beat a top 25 team by beating SMU, the same SMU team that gave the Tigers a curbstomping in Dallas and showed up twice to beat UConn.

That's what some folks don't understand. As long as we are in a good league, we are not going to win 100% of the games we should win. Hell, look at UCF. They are the bottom of the conerence, but they can make the Tigers sweat. Houston is tough at home, USF and temple can be good teams when they want to be. If we can get by Houston tomorrow, we will have escaped one year of the AAC of not letting a sub 100 conference team beat us. That's going to be a rarity in my opinion.

All of that to say, I agree with JP to some extent. Getting away from Temple with a win, whether it was pretty or not, is good for me. If it can't be pretty, I at least want it to be a W.

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

I'm a fan of Pastner.. he has definitely taken "coach speak" to a whole new level.

Coach is positive, upbeat. Nobody used more cliches than Coach X. Why was it not an issue then? Give this man some basic respect guys. He is workiing his tail off, promoting this program, this city in an extremely optimistic light and..you know what..basketball is not life. It is not the end of the world if we lose a game here or there or we only win by 5 points to a mediocre team with 5 top 100 players. I a huge Tiger basketball and football fan, have been for over 40 years now, but the way some of our fan base treats Pastner is beyond disrespectful. Yes he is a big boy a not above criticism but the personal attacks on his good character are what I don't understand. What more could you have asked for this man to do?

You guys have seen him build this program from the scrapheap X left behind without ever once complaining. After 5 years of listening to the miserables in this city I don't blame him for being tired of it or expressing his feelings, he is human after all and not a machine. He has promoted not only our program, university, and city in a positive light but is a ray of sunshine and teaching our kids and future generations of young Memphians what it means and looks like to be a man.

If this city runs this coach off I am done with Tiger basketball..it is sad, but thats how I feel. It would be different if the man wasn't working his tail off to get us there. Yes he is learning, no he is not perfect, neither is any other coach out there and they all have their warts. I'll take Coach Pastner over any of them. No we haven't made a deep run..yet. You know what...X's run was wiped out...like it or not and the banners came down. I'll tell you this much, if and when we do make a run under Coach Pastner, we wont have to worry about the NCAA stripping us of any monies or banners.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it

(02-25-2014 08:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

Because you want CJP to succeed. I'm with Pawr, if the idiots run CJP off with their relentless idiocy I'm also done with Tiger bball.

(02-25-2014 09:17 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Coach is positive, upbeat. Nobody used more cliches than Coach X. Why was it not an issue then? Give this man some basic respect guys. He is workiing his tail off, promoting this program, this city in an extremely optimistic light and..you know what..basketball is not life. It is not the end of the world if we lose a game here or there or we only win by 5 points to a mediocre team with 5 top 100 players. I a huge Tiger basketball and football fan, have been for over 40 years now, but the way some of our fan base treats Pastner is beyond disrespectful. Yes he is a big boy a not above criticism but the personal attacks on his good character are what I don't understand. What more could you have asked for this man to do?

You guys have seen him build this program from the scrapheap X left behind without ever once complaining. After 5 years of listening to the miserables in this city I don't blame him for being tired of it or expressing his feelings, he is human after all and not a machine. He has promoted not only our program, university, and city in a positive light but is a ray of sunshine and teaching our kids and future generations of young Memphians what it means and looks like to be a man.

If this city runs this coach off I am done with Tiger basketball..it is sad, but thats how I feel. It would be different if the man wasn't working his tail off to get us there. Yes he is learning, no he is not perfect, neither is any other coach out there and they all have their warts. I'll take Coach Pastner over any of them. No we haven't made a deep run..yet. You know what...X's run was wiped out...like it or not and the banners came down. I'll tell you this much, if and when we do make a run under Coach Pastner, we wont have to worry about the NCAA stripping us of any monies or banners.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it

I'm glad you would take Pastner over any coach out there.. good for you. I'm not a Pastner hater by any stretch.. but the one thing I would do is ask him to stop addressing fans and media like nobody knows what a basketball is. Like others have said, it's borderline condescending.

(02-25-2014 09:46 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 08:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

Because you want CJP to succeed. I'm with Pawr, if the idiots run CJP off with their relentless idiocy I'm also done with Tiger bball.

The drama and rhetoric here never disappoints, lol. Better shut down the program because a few will leave with Pastner when he decides to go.

(02-25-2014 09:49 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:17 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Coach is positive, upbeat. Nobody used more cliches than Coach X. Why was it not an issue then? Give this man some basic respect guys. He is workiing his tail off, promoting this program, this city in an extremely optimistic light and..you know what..basketball is not life. It is not the end of the world if we lose a game here or there or we only win by 5 points to a mediocre team with 5 top 100 players. I a huge Tiger basketball and football fan, have been for over 40 years now, but the way some of our fan base treats Pastner is beyond disrespectful. Yes he is a big boy a not above criticism but the personal attacks on his good character are what I don't understand. What more could you have asked for this man to do?

You guys have seen him build this program from the scrapheap X left behind without ever once complaining. After 5 years of listening to the miserables in this city I don't blame him for being tired of it or expressing his feelings, he is human after all and not a machine. He has promoted not only our program, university, and city in a positive light but is a ray of sunshine and teaching our kids and future generations of young Memphians what it means and looks like to be a man.

If this city runs this coach off I am done with Tiger basketball..it is sad, but thats how I feel. It would be different if the man wasn't working his tail off to get us there. Yes he is learning, no he is not perfect, neither is any other coach out there and they all have their warts. I'll take Coach Pastner over any of them. No we haven't made a deep run..yet. You know what...X's run was wiped out...like it or not and the banners came down. I'll tell you this much, if and when we do make a run under Coach Pastner, we wont have to worry about the NCAA stripping us of any monies or banners.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it

I'm glad you would take Pastner over any coach out there.. good for you. I'm not a Pastner hater by any stretch.. but the one thing I would do is ask him to stop addressing fans and media like nobody knows what a basketball is. Like others have said, it's borderline condescending.

Why don't you just stop listening to it and we will ALL be happy.

(02-25-2014 09:49 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:17 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Coach is positive, upbeat. Nobody used more cliches than Coach X. Why was it not an issue then? Give this man some basic respect guys. He is workiing his tail off, promoting this program, this city in an extremely optimistic light and..you know what..basketball is not life. It is not the end of the world if we lose a game here or there or we only win by 5 points to a mediocre team with 5 top 100 players. I a huge Tiger basketball and football fan, have been for over 40 years now, but the way some of our fan base treats Pastner is beyond disrespectful. Yes he is a big boy a not above criticism but the personal attacks on his good character are what I don't understand. What more could you have asked for this man to do?

You guys have seen him build this program from the scrapheap X left behind without ever once complaining. After 5 years of listening to the miserables in this city I don't blame him for being tired of it or expressing his feelings, he is human after all and not a machine. He has promoted not only our program, university, and city in a positive light but is a ray of sunshine and teaching our kids and future generations of young Memphians what it means and looks like to be a man.

If this city runs this coach off I am done with Tiger basketball..it is sad, but thats how I feel. It would be different if the man wasn't working his tail off to get us there. Yes he is learning, no he is not perfect, neither is any other coach out there and they all have their warts. I'll take Coach Pastner over any of them. No we haven't made a deep run..yet. You know what...X's run was wiped out...like it or not and the banners came down. I'll tell you this much, if and when we do make a run under Coach Pastner, we wont have to worry about the NCAA stripping us of any monies or banners.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it

I'm glad you would take Pastner over any coach out there.. good for you. I'm not a Pastner hater by any stretch.. but the one thing I would do is ask him to stop addressing fans and media like nobody knows what a basketball is. Like others have said, it's borderline condescending.

i agree with this 100%. it is very bothersome to be talked down to about basketball of all things. basketball isn't rocket science or things that you have to be Einstein to understand.

(02-24-2014 11:14 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Nasal indicates he is weary of it.

Yet Nasal- and check out many of his past columns- is a major instigator of the constant debate. Even this piece of garbage stirs the debate itself by including the predictable comment about Pastner bringing it on himself.

New low for Nasal. Creates the drama- complains about that coming drama. In a column that adds more drama to what he is complaining about.

I think this is pretty much it ---- no long ago he was all over the 'everyone is good' statement.

Personal attacks are completely unwarranted. Constant job evaluation is always going to happen with this job - for a variety of reasons (Memphis, salary, etc). He has a personal right to respond defensively whenever he feels like. I have no problem with that. I have always been curious as to those who immediately define him as a "great coach" when this is his first head-coaching job with basic ass't experience. With anything in life, there is no substitute for experience. You can mitigate a lack thereof to some extent with extremely hard work, which he certainly does, but he is a very young, inexperienced head coach at a demanding program where he would've never been seriously considered to begin with outside the very unique circumstances. With all that said, I think he's showing signs of maturing into the role every year ... getting better here-and-there. I see him as a strategic, long-term play by those smart rich guys paying his salary right now.

Good post 80sTiger.

(02-25-2014 09:46 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 08:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

Because you want CJP to succeed. I'm with Pawr, if the idiots run CJP off with their relentless idiocy I'm also done with Tiger bball.

Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

(02-25-2014 10:36 AM)motiger Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:49 AM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:17 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Coach is positive, upbeat. Nobody used more cliches than Coach X. Why was it not an issue then? Give this man some basic respect guys. He is workiing his tail off, promoting this program, this city in an extremely optimistic light and..you know what..basketball is not life. It is not the end of the world if we lose a game here or there or we only win by 5 points to a mediocre team with 5 top 100 players. I a huge Tiger basketball and football fan, have been for over 40 years now, but the way some of our fan base treats Pastner is beyond disrespectful. Yes he is a big boy a not above criticism but the personal attacks on his good character are what I don't understand. What more could you have asked for this man to do?

You guys have seen him build this program from the scrapheap X left behind without ever once complaining. After 5 years of listening to the miserables in this city I don't blame him for being tired of it or expressing his feelings, he is human after all and not a machine. He has promoted not only our program, university, and city in a positive light but is a ray of sunshine and teaching our kids and future generations of young Memphians what it means and looks like to be a man.

If this city runs this coach off I am done with Tiger basketball..it is sad, but thats how I feel. It would be different if the man wasn't working his tail off to get us there. Yes he is learning, no he is not perfect, neither is any other coach out there and they all have their warts. I'll take Coach Pastner over any of them. No we haven't made a deep run..yet. You know what...X's run was wiped out...like it or not and the banners came down. I'll tell you this much, if and when we do make a run under Coach Pastner, we wont have to worry about the NCAA stripping us of any monies or banners.

Put that in your hookah and smoke it

I'm glad you would take Pastner over any coach out there.. good for you. I'm not a Pastner hater by any stretch.. but the one thing I would do is ask him to stop addressing fans and media like nobody knows what a basketball is. Like others have said, it's borderline condescending.

Why don't you just stop listening to it and we will ALL be happy.

I assume you are referring to ALL the HappyClappers? It does take a village.

I believe the "team" is first. The "team" is what we are there for, to watch, cheer on, and enjoy. The person that is sitting in the head coaching seat at this time or any time is a distant second at best. Tiger fan first, coach second. On the average, the coach here would only be here around 8 years anyway.

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

WORD!

I won't claim that I've witnessed or heard every interview Pastner has given. Of the few I have heard, he seems to say the same things over and over. From what I further gather, other fans have noted (and complained about) the script he seems to follow when talking to the media, e.g. winning is hard, the other team is awesome, etc. Like many others, I suspect that this is simply coach-speak. That is, he's not going to give the other team any bulletin board material or say controversial things that prove to be major distractions to his team or otherwise. On the whole, this is probably a wise strategy. Why say something stupid or impulsive? Why not stay on script?

Sometimes, however, Pastner comes off sounding like an idiot saying the same things over and over again. Again, I suspect he wants to keep it vanilla and fly under the media radar. But when the low-key method gets noticed, and the repetition becomes the story, well, it's probably time to change things up. Further, perception (unfortunately) is reality. Pastner may be the most brilliant and talented young coach in the country. But saying the same things over and over again can make him look like a simpleton.

In the balance of things, though, the above is very small potatoes. Pastner runs a good program and has great kids playing for Memphis. I've seen improvement each year, and I think being in a conference with UConn and Cincy (even though the dirty birds are leaving) is by far and away the best thing that has happened to the Tigers in years. With the exception of the Big 10, most power conferences have 2 or 3 good teams and the rest are also-rans. Take away Syracuse, and traditionally the ACC has really only Duke and UNC. The SEC is KY (barely this year) and FL. The Big 12 is basically KU and occasionally UT. The PAC 12 is UCLA (traditionally but not lately), AZ, and sometimes Stanford or OR.

So all in all, the Tigers are poised for great things to come, and Pastner is still young and doing a great job.

(02-25-2014 10:53 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  Personal attacks are completely unwarranted. Constant job evaluation is always going to happen with this job - for a variety of reasons (Memphis, salary, etc). He has a personal right to respond defensively whenever he feels like. I have no problem with that. I have always been curious as to those who immediately define him as a "great coach" when this is his first head-coaching job with basic ass't experience. With anything in life, there is no substitute for experience. You can mitigate a lack thereof to some extent with extremely hard work, which he certainly does, but he is a very young, inexperienced head coach at a demanding program where he would've never been seriously considered to begin with outside the very unique circumstances. With all that said, I think he's showing signs of maturing into the role every year ... getting better here-and-there. I see him as a strategic, long-term play by those smart rich guys paying his salary right now.