(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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I agree with this

(02-24-2014 07:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 06:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  synopsis please

Pastner is not as good as the sunshine pumpers say, and not as bad as the miserables say. And he unfortunately followed Calipari. And he brings some of it on himself by being defensive. And Temple is not good.

And Calkins is tired of the debate.

Well, Temple did beat SMU. So they can sneak up on you.

(02-25-2014 07:41 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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I agree with this

Louisville and UConn both lost to CUSA level schools during that time period. Moreover, does anyone believe that Pitino would have stayed at Louisville in CUSA 2.0? That conference is the main reason he didn't leave Louisville and become Calipari's successor at Memphis. Yes, that's what I said.

Pastner has a 75% winning percentage for his career here. I know some try to downplay that because it's "only CUSA" (never mind that he's doing in the AAC too). However, if it's THAT easy why aren't other coaches doing it? Tim Floyd couldn't do it. Larry Eustacy couldn't do it. Hell, Pitino had losses to teams like ECU and UAB while HE was in CUSA. It's harder than most people think.
Yes, Pastner needs to win more big games (though he has DRAMATICALLY improved this season) and he needs to make some deep tourney runs. That IN NO WAY should diminish the other things he's done; no matter how hard some on here try to do so.

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:46 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 08:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

Because you want CJP to succeed. I'm with Pawr, if the idiots run CJP off with their relentless idiocy I'm also done with Tiger bball.

Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

you seen the divorce rate in this country?

(02-25-2014 08:38 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:46 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 08:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

Because you want CJP to succeed. I'm with Pawr, if the idiots run CJP off with their relentless idiocy I'm also done with Tiger bball.

Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

you seen the divorce rate in this country?

Good point!

(02-24-2014 07:50 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 06:47 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  synopsis please

Pastner is not as good as the sunshine pumpers say, and not as bad as the miserables say. And he unfortunately followed Calipari. And he brings some of it on himself by being defensive. And Temple is not good.

And Calkins is tired of the debate.

And his article has well over 100 comments so far.

(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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Not really a big stretch there.

Yes- considering UConn won the NCAA championship in 2011 and Louisville made the Final Four in 2012 and won the tournament in 2013- let alone UConn making the Final Four in 2009---

Yes- those Final four teams likely would have had similar records to Memphis playing in CUSA- where Memphis went 19-0 last year and 16-3 the prior year.

Cluckins says the continuing 'debate' has nothing to do with him. As tweeted he's "... debating the debate. Which is different than the debate.

Then adds >>>

Geoff Calkins ‏@geoff_calkins
Dear in headlights? RT @TheCAJasonSmith: Pastner/James Dickey no longer "dear, dear, dear" friends. Now "dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.

(02-25-2014 10:32 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Cluckins says the continuing 'debate' has nothing to do with him. As tweeted he's "... debating the debate. Which is different than the debate.

Then adds >>>

Geoff Calkins ‏@geoff_calkins
Dear in headlights? RT @TheCAJasonSmith: Pastner/James Dickey no longer "dear, dear, dear" friends. Now "dear, dear, dear, dear, dear.

I mean what do you do with a guy like that other than smile... or laugh... or roll your eyes.

(02-25-2014 08:38 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 11:01 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:46 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 08:17 AM)Tanyaskees Wrote:  

(02-24-2014 10:40 PM)TigerBabbler Wrote:  I think CJP is a good person...BUT...there are coaches that can do what he has done...He padded his stats in a horrible conference...

For me...I've TOTALLY STOP LISTENING to him...going to the coaches show because I don't like the "coach speak" and i think that the fans in Memphis deserve more credit...I STILL GO TO THE GAMES...and will continue to...

I like the straight forward approach...I do think CJP will get this...at his next stop....he doesn't understand or do I think he ever will the importance of just SAYING IT LIKE IT IS...and stop talking to me like I don't know and understand basketball...it's almost offensive. I root for CJP in every way but I choose what goes in my ears....foolishness from CJP at times.

Seriously? You have a very strange way of showing it.

Because you want CJP to succeed. I'm with Pawr, if the idiots run CJP off with their relentless idiocy I'm also done with Tiger bball.

Firstly, I would like to say I like TigerPawr and respect him a lot. That being said, if indeed the "idiots" run off Josh, one I wouldn't have any respect for Josh for being weak. Two, I disagree 100% with saying you would quit supporting the Tiger basketball team over one person (the coach). It shows no loyalty to the team you are supposed to love and support. A fan of a sports team should treat his/her team like they would marriage...to death do us part.

you seen the divorce rate in this country?

funny, but my point is what marriage should be about and stand for. at least that is the way I look at both, marriage and being a fan.

(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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So Rick Pitino (Elite 8, Elite 8, Final Four, NC), Josh Pastner, and Larry Eustachy are all the same, but your lame point is to claim that Pastner has padded his record? You sure are confused.

(02-25-2014 08:30 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 07:41 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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I agree with this

Louisville and UConn both lost to CUSA level schools during that time period. Moreover, does anyone believe that Pitino would have stayed at Louisville in CUSA 2.0? That conference is the main reason he didn't leave Louisville and become Calipari's successor at Memphis. Yes, that's what I said.

Pastner has a 75% winning percentage for his career here. I know some try to downplay that because it's "only CUSA" (never mind that he's doing in the AAC too). However, if it's THAT easy why aren't other coaches doing it? Tim Floyd couldn't do it. Larry Eustacy couldn't do it. Hell, Pitino had losses to teams like ECU and UAB while HE was in CUSA. It's harder than most people think.
Yes, Pastner needs to win more big games (though he has DRAMATICALLY improved this season) and he needs to make some deep tourney runs. That IN NO WAY should diminish the other things he's done; no matter how hard some on here try to do so.

The fan is confused; no point trying to set him straight.

(02-25-2014 11:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 08:30 PM)transitt Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 07:41 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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I agree with this

Louisville and UConn both lost to CUSA level schools during that time period. Moreover, does anyone believe that Pitino would have stayed at Louisville in CUSA 2.0? That conference is the main reason he didn't leave Louisville and become Calipari's successor at Memphis. Yes, that's what I said.

Pastner has a 75% winning percentage for his career here. I know some try to downplay that because it's "only CUSA" (never mind that he's doing in the AAC too). However, if it's THAT easy why aren't other coaches doing it? Tim Floyd couldn't do it. Larry Eustacy couldn't do it. Hell, Pitino had losses to teams like ECU and UAB while HE was in CUSA. It's harder than most people think.
Yes, Pastner needs to win more big games (though he has DRAMATICALLY improved this season) and he needs to make some deep tourney runs. That IN NO WAY should diminish the other things he's done; no matter how hard some on here try to do so.

The fan is confused; no point trying to set him straight.

That's the 3rd time in 2 days you've taken a shot at someone when you weren't involved in points, replies, or counterpoints to a discussion.

Transit made good, logical points and backed them up; why not let them stand on their own merit?

Transit - for the record, I agree with your last post; well put.

(02-25-2014 11:31 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 06:43 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Replace Memphis With either UCONN or Louisville in those CUSA years and I would say either one would have done the equivalent as us in the last 5 years..Either one of those Schools would have cake walked through CUSA..That math would be easy..SMU with Larry Brown at the helm and we would have probably been fighting them for it..


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So Rick Pitino (Elite 8, Elite 8, Final Four, NC), Josh Pastner, and Larry Eustachy are all the same, but your lame point is to claim that Pastner has padded his record? You sure are confused.

Looks as though your confused I did not say Pastner padded his record, his record has been padded because CUSA was and is horrible.. Who said Rick Pitino or Larry Eustacy are the same as Pastner..I bet your favorite game in life is twister!!


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(02-26-2014 12:06 AM)tigergg Wrote:  ...I did not say Pastner padded his record, his record has been padded because CUSA was and is horrible.. Who said Rick Pitino or Larry Eustacy are the same as Pastner..I bet your favorite game in life is twister!!

Which was the conference we played in --- and the only conference Pastner had an option to play in as far as I know. After that observation -- what exactly was your substantive point again?

(02-26-2014 12:18 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 12:06 AM)tigergg Wrote:  ...I did not say Pastner padded his record, his record has been padded because CUSA was and is horrible.. Who said Rick Pitino or Larry Eustacy are the same as Pastner..I bet your favorite game in life is twister!!

Which was the conference we played in --- and the only conference Pastner had an option to play in as far as I know. After that observation -- what exactly was your substantive point again?

That Calipari also inflated his record in CUSA.

I responded about how people say he is great because of his winning %..i'm not denouncing his record I'm just stating his %'s are great because of his record against CUSA..


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(02-26-2014 12:20 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 12:18 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(02-26-2014 12:06 AM)tigergg Wrote:  ...I did not say Pastner padded his record, his record has been padded because CUSA was and is horrible.. Who said Rick Pitino or Larry Eustacy are the same as Pastner..I bet your favorite game in life is twister!!

Which was the conference we played in --- and the only conference Pastner had an option to play in as far as I know. After that observation -- what exactly was your substantive point again?

That Calipari also inflated his record in CUSA.

Agreed but he didn't inflate it he just played who he had to play at no fault of his own, just like Pastner did..


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Some people just don't like Pastner. They don't have a legitimate reason, so they just keep repeating tired ish hoping someone else who is dumb will agree with them.

(02-26-2014 01:17 AM)Tiger Greg Wrote:  Some people just don't like Pastner. They don't have a legitimate reason, so they just keep repeating tired ish hoping someone else who is dumb will agree with them.

At the end of the day, this is all there is to it. Maybe he is too goofy, or too positive,too milk and cookies, or too whatever, but they just don't like the man himself contrary to what they may have people believe.

Parrish spoke at the beginning of his show today on this. I agree with his take in that most coaches are criticized for only certain things:

1) losing streaks
2) losses to bad teams
3) off the court issues with players getting in trouble

Pastner's critics for the most part always want others to believe that they have no agenda and that their criticisms are all about basketball. However this year he has not:
1) lost two games in a row to this point
2) has not lost to a bad team to this point
3) had no major off the court issues with players getting in trouble

Yet the criticism has not only NOT died down but has ramped up.

People said he needed to beat a ranked team and win a tourney game:
He did both with St Mary's, so they said St Mary's was not ranked in the AP and we almost lost.

People said he needed to beat ranked teams more: He has beaten 3 this year.

Then they went to criticizing his flash cards and his interviews.

It makes it obvious that no matter what this coach does they will not give him credit. Even when he makes the Sweet 16 they will just move on to something else.