(02-18-2014 03:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:20 PM)Bull Wrote:  In spite of what Cinci thinks, no one in the AAC has a perfect 'move up' resume.

As a fellow USF fan, I'm surprised to see you frame things way. The issue here is that Cincy, like USF, has proven to have a 'move down' resume, as in we've been moved down from the AQ Big East to the G5 AAC.

That's the whole problem, and I hope USF admins are active and aggressive in solving it.

Bottom line: While on the day to day surface it may seem that USF and the AAC have the same interests, in a deeper sense USF and the AAC have a fundamental divergence of interests: The AAC will never, ever, be a Power conference, whereas USF has the goal of being a Power conference school.

Thus, USF must be working to end its affiliation with the AAC. We simply have to be.

What exactly should we be doing? I'm serious, send Xmas cards or something? The things we need to 'do' to move up, are the things we all should be doing anyway!! Build up facilities, win, win, win. Get our fans engaged, and fill those stadiums! Simple truth, the politics does not really help.

Show me a tape of some B12 official saying: "I really liked Louisville, but gosh darn, WV really seemed to really want out of the Big East".

Or some ACC official saying behind closed doors: "Wow, lets move up our expansion timeline guys... I got a card from Cinci, and they REALLY want out!"

Yeah, hold on a second. Somehow, we are on this game of telephone where statements that were never made are being made up. Not ONCE did Mike Bohn or Santa Ono say a single thing that was negative about the AAC.

(02-18-2014 04:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Yeah, hold on a second. Somehow, we are on this game of telephone where statements that were never made are being made up. Not ONCE did Mike Bohn or Santa Ono say a single thing that was negative about the AAC.

This thread has gone so far off the deep end is it even worth pointing this out?

Can we go back and point out that the fan who posted this thread (and the fan base with what seems to be the most hatred towards UC's comments) are from Houston, a school whose all-time record against UC in basketball is 1-24, and hasn't beaten UC since 1973?

Just sayin'...

(02-18-2014 03:57 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:06 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 01:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 01:26 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  And public perceptions of the AAC (which Cincy's AD certainly did not help) affect our ratings.

That's the biggest crock of **** I've ever read from you, and you've said some ridiculous things over the years.

If you really believe that the very public trashing of this conference by certain g'ovt officials, school officials, and fans, right smack dab in the middle of our TV negotiations... isn't at least partially responsible for the non-competition for our contract, and our whopping 2 million per school payout... then there's not much else to say.

Do you seriously think that network executives whose job it is to evaluate value from all angles could be spooked by public comments by fans and school officials? Seriously?

Our TV contract reflected the fair market value of our conference as of Spring 2013. We were in no way or shape "undervalued". That's the Cold Hard Truth.

You have to be joking, right? The goal is to 'sell' the product to the viewers. Perception of the customer is HUGE. Yet you'd discount 'public comments by fans and school officials', in deciding if you can sell a product to the public...?

Not gonna take the bait buddy...

I am astonished. These media companies conduct sophisticated market research to ascertain the "perception of the customer". They don't rely on the comments of a few yahoo fans on these web sites and by school officials.

Put it this way: If USF's athletic director came out tomorrow and said we can't wait to leave the AAC, it would have zero impact on overall public perception of the AAC. Likewise if he said we'd love to stay in this wonderful conference until the end of time.

You are putting way too much weight on these kinds of comments. We got paid what the market said we deserved, period.

Thank goodness we have our cut of the war chest from those that have already escaped. It should help keep us afloat till we get our call up.

(02-18-2014 04:01 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 03:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:20 PM)Bull Wrote:  In spite of what Cinci thinks, no one in the AAC has a perfect 'move up' resume.

As a fellow USF fan, I'm surprised to see you frame things way. The issue here is that Cincy, like USF, has proven to have a 'move down' resume, as in we've been moved down from the AQ Big East to the G5 AAC.

That's the whole problem, and I hope USF admins are active and aggressive in solving it.

Bottom line: While on the day to day surface it may seem that USF and the AAC have the same interests, in a deeper sense USF and the AAC have a fundamental divergence of interests: The AAC will never, ever, be a Power conference, whereas USF has the goal of being a Power conference school.

Thus, USF must be working to end its affiliation with the AAC. We simply have to be.

What exactly should we be doing? I'm serious, send Xmas cards or something? The things we need to 'do' to move up, are the things we all should be doing anyway!! Build up facilities, win, win, win. Get our fans engaged, and fill those stadiums! Simple truth, the politics does not really help.

Since there is no magic formula, we should be trying everything. Of course we need to build up our fan base and our facilities, but they are not mutually exclusive with lobbying, both public and private. You keep saying public lobbying won't work, but you don't know if that's true or not. It might help, so it might be worth trying, and I can't begrudge Cincy for trying it.

Let's be clear: We are in a competition with the rest of the AAC schools to get invited to a P5 conference. In 2011-2012 we lost that competition to the 6 Big East schools that got promoted, and our reward is AAC purgatory.

We need to be working as hard as we can to get out of the AAC. That's a fact any Bulls fan should appreciate.

(02-18-2014 04:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Yeah, hold on a second. Somehow, we are on this game of telephone where statements that were never made are being made up. Not ONCE did Mike Bohn or Santa Ono say a single thing that was negative about the AAC.

Yeah it really has gotten out of hand. I have heard Mike Bohn interviewed on 2-3 occasions, and all I heard the man say each time is we are a member of a conference right now and we need to be respectful. Moreover, the conference stuff has always been a response to a question coming directly from the interviewer, not Bohn making any unsolicited declarations.

People are making comments as if he came out and called out individual schools or made a statement the conference blows.

(02-18-2014 04:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 03:57 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 03:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:06 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 01:32 PM)mlb Wrote:  That's the biggest crock of **** I've ever read from you, and you've said some ridiculous things over the years.

If you really believe that the very public trashing of this conference by certain g'ovt officials, school officials, and fans, right smack dab in the middle of our TV negotiations... isn't at least partially responsible for the non-competition for our contract, and our whopping 2 million per school payout... then there's not much else to say.

Do you seriously think that network executives whose job it is to evaluate value from all angles could be spooked by public comments by fans and school officials? Seriously?

Our TV contract reflected the fair market value of our conference as of Spring 2013. We were in no way or shape "undervalued". That's the Cold Hard Truth.

You have to be joking, right? The goal is to 'sell' the product to the viewers. Perception of the customer is HUGE. Yet you'd discount 'public comments by fans and school officials', in deciding if you can sell a product to the public...?

Not gonna take the bait buddy...

I am astonished. These media companies conduct sophisticated market research to ascertain the "perception of the customer". They don't rely on the comments of a few yahoo fans on these web sites and by school officials.

Put it this way: If USF's athletic director came out tomorrow and said we can't wait to leave the AAC, it would have zero impact on overall public perception of the AAC. Likewise if he said we'd love to stay in this wonderful conference until the end of time.

You are putting way too much weight on these kinds of comments. We got paid what the market said we deserved, period.

I don't want to beat a dead horse here, or repeat myself... you and I will also have to agree to disagree.

(02-18-2014 03:22 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 02:37 PM)mlb Wrote:  I never said it would work, I just said UC is saying and doing. They are now talking about all of this to continue to raise money to help fund the bigger athletic department since they have no BCS money and next to no TV money coming in. UC has to do what it has to do to remain a major player in college athletics and I don't care if it means they talk about wanting to move on to bigger and better. UL did it that way and it worked great. WVU did it at the end and it worked great. UC is just following their lead and hoping a spot opens up in the P5. If it doesn't, I'm positive that the school is not worried about getting kicked out of the AAC.

You keep making leaps of logic here... no one is debating about building a stadium, raising money, etc etc. Also, no one is debating about setting a goal of P5 membership. What we're debating is if the public negativity to your current conference is necessary... It's clearly not, but whenever we try to call Cinci on this, you all slip into the 'doing what we need to do defense'.

Follow the WV lead if you wish (OLuck certainly set THAT standard!), but TCU, Louisville and others showed another way... and in the end, if you get in it won't be because of the negativity towards the American. Not one bit. Which makes it totally unnecessary.

But I don't expect to convince you... agree to disagree.

Please...

TCU was a two-timing b**** who slept her way to the top.

Thank you.

(02-18-2014 04:30 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-18-2014 04:04 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Yeah, hold on a second. Somehow, we are on this game of telephone where statements that were never made are being made up. Not ONCE did Mike Bohn or Santa Ono say a single thing that was negative about the AAC.

Yeah it really has gotten out of hand. I have heard Mike Bohn interviewed on 2-3 occasions, and all I heard the man say each time is we are a member of a conference right now and we need to be respectful. Moreover, the conference stuff has always been a response to a question coming directly from the interviewer, not Bohn making any unsolicited declarations.

People are making comments as if he came out and called out individual schools or made a statement the conference blows.

This thread is still going?

(02-18-2014 03:49 PM)mlb Wrote:  What did Mike Bohn say that was negative about the AAC? Please tell me.

Sometimes it's what you don't say, that gets you in trouble. Just like with your a wife or girlfriend. Like honey do you love me? Better have the right answer or you maybe sleeping on the couch.

(02-17-2014 06:27 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 06:17 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  You can put lipstick on a pig, because you do so, don't make it a beauty queen.

Well, ain't she purty, must be Cincy homecoming queen or Bohn in drag.

Be careful of your tone.
UC fans expect and deserve respect. Some of you directional school fans need to learn that quickly

(02-17-2014 06:53 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 06:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 05:12 PM)mlb Wrote:  The school didn't have to do crap compared to what happened to all of those boys. Beaver Stadium should be shut down for another 7 years at minimum as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds like you're jealous of Penn State's success and realize that it will continue after sanctions are removed.

Must I remind you that one man committed the crimes against those boys, not the school. The school can do nothing to turn back the clock on those crimes. That be like blaming the citizens of Germany today for the crimes committed by Hitler or blaming US citizens of today for horrible treatment of the Native Americans or African Americans in the past.

Yet, practically right down the street from you in Cleveland Ariel Castro was kidnapping and torturing young girls. Should all of Ohio be made to pay for those crimes? Perhaps Cincinnati sports programs should be shut down too. After all they happened in Ohio. Are people from Cincinnati really that clueless?

LOL... They apparently don't teach geography well in State College.

Try this analogy, perhaps...

Cincinnati is to Cleveland like:
a) Pittsburgh is to Philadelphia
b) State College is to Pittsburgh
c) Philadelphia is to Harrisburg

The answer is A. Two cities, on opposite ends of the State.

But even there, your analogy doesn't work on so many levels, because:
---YES, there are many who argue that contemporary Americans share in the guilt and owe reparations to Native Americans and African-Americans for the sins of the past.
---YES, there are those who argue that modern, contemporary Germany needs to remember the lessons of the past, and in fact HAS made reparations to Jews who suffered in the holocaust, and still needs to own past mis-deeds so as NOT to repeat them.

And there is the issue of the Freeh report, which would be akin to Germany saying "The Nuremburg tribunals were not correct and therefore we do not accept their findings..." If Germany had said that, you'd better believe that people would be rightly critical of Germany. So, when the Penn State fan-base begins to accept and deal with the investigation and report...THEIR OWN ADMINISTRATION COMMISSIONED...then perhaps we can talk. But until the Penn State fans can start to deal with the findings of the Freeh report, there's not much to talk about.

But since this isn't a Penn State board, I digress.

Where can I go to get my payment since my ancestry includes both, can I get paid twice?

WOW!!!!!!! This thread has made it to page 32? Jeez, I stopped contributing to this thread (until just now) around page 10.

So will Southern Miss finally get in the AAC when Cincinnati gets called up ?

(02-18-2014 07:13 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  Be careful of your tone.
UC fans expect and deserve respect. Some of you directional school fans need to learn that quickly

This is one of the funniest things I've ever read on this board.