(02-17-2014 05:58 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Nice signature pesik

You beat me to it, HuskyU... Here you go pesik

(02-17-2014 06:17 PM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  You can put lipstick on a pig, because you do so, don't make it a beauty queen.

(02-17-2014 05:12 PM)mlb Wrote:  The school didn't have to do crap compared to what happened to all of those boys. Beaver Stadium should be shut down for another 7 years at minimum as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds like you're jealous of Penn State's success and realize that it will continue after sanctions are removed.

Must I remind you that one man committed the crimes against those boys, not the school. The school can do nothing to turn back the clock on those crimes. That be like blaming the citizens of Germany today for the crimes committed by Hitler or blaming US citizens of today for horrible treatment of the Native Americans or African Americans in the past.

Yet, practically right down the street from you in Cleveland Ariel Castro was kidnapping and torturing young girls. Should all of Ohio be made to pay for those crimes? Perhaps Cincinnati sports programs should be shut down too. After all they happened in Ohio. Are people from Cincinnati really that clueless?

(02-17-2014 06:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 05:12 PM)mlb Wrote:  The school didn't have to do crap compared to what happened to all of those boys. Beaver Stadium should be shut down for another 7 years at minimum as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds like you're jealous of Penn State's success and realize that it will continue after sanctions are removed.

Must I remind you that one man committed the crimes against those boys, not the school. The school can do nothing to turn back the clock on those crimes. That be like blaming the citizens of Germany today for the crimes committed by Hitler or blaming US citizens of today for horrible treatment of the Native Americans or African Americans in the past.

Yet, practically right down the street from you in Cleveland Ariel Castro was kidnapping and torturing young girls. Should all of Ohio be made to pay for those crimes? Perhaps Cincinnati sports programs should be shut down too. After all they happened in Ohio. Are people from Cincinnati really that clueless?

Uh...the school was complicit in the cover up

Buit sure, why not, let's take an already stupid ******* thread and see if we can make it worse. Anyone wanna go ahead and get the Cincy to Nazi Germany comparison over with?

How about staying off this board, you troll. The others taking shots is okay because we are in the same league. Go to the big 10 board and talk about how you never do that well in the big dance because you beat each other up all year. Did you remember that UC also upset Penn State in football 14-3. Ancient history but I understand why you cling to it.

(02-17-2014 06:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 05:12 PM)mlb Wrote:  The school didn't have to do crap compared to what happened to all of those boys. Beaver Stadium should be shut down for another 7 years at minimum as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds like you're jealous of Penn State's success and realize that it will continue after sanctions are removed.

Must I remind you that one man committed the crimes against those boys, not the school. The school can do nothing to turn back the clock on those crimes. That be like blaming the citizens of Germany today for the crimes committed by Hitler or blaming US citizens of today for horrible treatment of the Native Americans or African Americans in the past.

Yet, practically right down the street from you in Cleveland Ariel Castro was kidnapping and torturing young girls. Should all of Ohio be made to pay for those crimes? Perhaps Cincinnati sports programs should be shut down too. After all they happened in Ohio. Are people from Cincinnati really that clueless?

I think we can sum up everything in 3 words.

Penn State sucks.

Can't everyone agree on that?

JoePa's dead.

(02-17-2014 06:30 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 05:12 PM)mlb Wrote:  The school didn't have to do crap compared to what happened to all of those boys. Beaver Stadium should be shut down for another 7 years at minimum as far as I'm concerned.

Sounds like you're jealous of Penn State's success and realize that it will continue after sanctions are removed.

Must I remind you that one man committed the crimes against those boys, not the school. The school can do nothing to turn back the clock on those crimes. That be like blaming the citizens of Germany today for the crimes committed by Hitler or blaming US citizens of today for horrible treatment of the Native Americans or African Americans in the past.

Yet, practically right down the street from you in Cleveland Ariel Castro was kidnapping and torturing young girls. Should all of Ohio be made to pay for those crimes? Perhaps Cincinnati sports programs should be shut down too. After all they happened in Ohio. Are people from Cincinnati really that clueless?

LOL... They apparently don't teach geography well in State College.

Try this analogy, perhaps...

Cincinnati is to Cleveland like:
a) Pittsburgh is to Philadelphia
b) State College is to Pittsburgh
c) Philadelphia is to Harrisburg

The answer is A. Two cities, on opposite ends of the State.

But even there, your analogy doesn't work on so many levels, because:
---YES, there are many who argue that contemporary Americans share in the guilt and owe reparations to Native Americans and African-Americans for the sins of the past.
---YES, there are those who argue that modern, contemporary Germany needs to remember the lessons of the past, and in fact HAS made reparations to Jews who suffered in the holocaust, and still needs to own past mis-deeds so as NOT to repeat them.

And there is the issue of the Freeh report, which would be akin to Germany saying "The Nuremburg tribunals were not correct and therefore we do not accept their findings..." If Germany had said that, you'd better believe that people would be rightly critical of Germany. So, when the Penn State fan-base begins to accept and deal with the investigation and report...THEIR OWN ADMINISTRATION COMMISSIONED...then perhaps we can talk. But until the Penn State fans can start to deal with the findings of the Freeh report, there's not much to talk about.

But since this isn't a Penn State board, I digress.

(02-17-2014 06:53 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  LOL... They apparently don't teach geography well in State College.

Even funnier... Cleveland is actually 11 miles closer to State College than to Cincinnati.

(02-17-2014 06:59 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-17-2014 06:53 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  LOL... They apparently don't teach geography well in State College.

Even funnier... Cleveland is actually 11 miles closer to State College than to Cincinnati.

Both ironic and funny. I love it.

(02-17-2014 05:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  a public statement to the uc fans could have been an email to the fans and season ticket holders. a public announcement with multiple reporters some from national news sources was just ment "for UC fans"??

Let's say the AD had sent and e-mail out to fans and boosters. How long do you think it would have taken for that e-mail to get forwarded to someone in the media? After reading, how long do you think it would have taken for reporters to start calling the AD and/or writing stories on it?

From where I'm sitting, the end product looks exactly the same. The story goes public and people would be bitching about an e-mail causing negative publicity instead of a press conference causing negative publicity.

So PC, e-mail, smoke signal, hand written letters, etc...the format doesn't matter. The media still would have gotten a hold of the story and we'd be exactly where we are now.

(02-17-2014 05:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  im curious how you UC fans would have felt if he had made a public statement with multiple news sources saying we are going to do our best to get out of this league and that will be our #1 priority (especially when we know the league was struggling with stability). some of you know will lie and say it would have been perfectly fine but those of you here honest will say that wasn't appropriate, others would have been here's the door.

Here is the thing. A lot of posters seem to operating under the assumption that pretending the league is stable publicly will somehow actually make it stable or improve its bargaining position. That simply isn't the case.

Pretending that the league is stable and that everyone wants to be here isn't going to change the league's aggregate TV ratings. It isn't going to stop any school from moving to a P5 conference if invite or give the American guaranteed access to a contract bowl. It is not going to put the conference on equal financial footing with the other P5 conferences or cause the new contract to be massive. Really, the only thing pretend stability does is give posters an excuse to fall back on when pie-in-the-sky expectations are not met (e.g. "If only the league negotiated a contract when it was more stable...").

(02-17-2014 05:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  and this has nothing to do with with what tv execs know but national perception. as they say one person shakes the boat we all feel it. what the AAC needs is to be drastically re-branded. the former big east league was known as the dying conference that was horrible and garabage which wasnt even true, but because perception say it one way thats how the league was treated. Cincy is doing a disservice to the league pulling the league back into the old perception and not the fresh start this league has been looking for. cincy s stepping on everyones throats including there own (because they are stuck here in the time being).

National perception in football is something one ADs comments are going to change. To be well-regarded (or at least be given a pass for annual disappointments), a conference needs two things. First is one or more football programs that are widely consider to be elite football schools (e.g. Alabama, Texas, USC, Florida, FSU, Clemson, Ohio State, etc). The Big East never had that which is why the conference never seem to improve its reputation as anything but that "other" BCS conference.

Besides, absolutely everyone in the media already knows that any G5 schools would leave for a P5 conference. UC's AD stating the obvious isn't going to cause a mass outbreak of "Look how terrible and unhappy the American conference team are" in the media. At most, most in the media will say "well, duh".

(02-17-2014 05:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  for those who are missing the point here's an example. the acc football perception is higher than ever with the FSU national championship, what if i said "but clemson is begging to get out publicly" (they actually aren't), but telling the media that they want to go to a "power 4" conference. that would dramatically hurt the ACC's perception. fact.

We can already see how that hypothetical played out. Back in 2012, the FSU BOT chairperson blasted the ACC publicly (link) and said the Noles would look at what the Big 12 offered. Guess what happened to the ACC's perception? Absolutely nothing.

Bohn said nothing illegal, nothing unethical, nothing that is going to hurt the AAC's already anemic tv contract, etc

He publicly stated what every AAC AD, team, and fan already wants...a seat at the big boy table.

Why some of you ladies are going bat#%* crazy over it is hilarious.

Just ignore them or laugh at them.

People are reading too much into the AD's statements. He is just scared of ECU and the 12-5 record and having to Cinny into to Davie Jones' Locker aka Williams Arena at Minges Coliseum and the snake pit that is Clark-LeClair Staium and it's "Jungle".

this conference needs to kneel before UC....we are your master now

(02-17-2014 04:59 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  Two points:

#1. UC's AD is beholden only to UC fans and boosters. His comments were made for the sole purpose of trying to invigorate a fan base that has taken some tremendous blows over the last few years (e.g. loss of BCS/P5 status, loss of guaranteed access, loss of conference rivals, etc). He wasn't addressing anyone other than UC fans so I'm not sure why anyone other than UC fans care.

#2. I get the sense that some posters are following the underpants gnome theory of TV contracts.

Step 1: Show public unity and only say positive things about the conference publicly.
Step 2: Public display of unity will cause TV execs to believe the conference is stable or make the conference look good to the public.
Step 3: ....
Step 4: We get a big TV contract.

The problem here is that this assumes that TV execs don't know what is going on behind the scenes and just take public statements at face value. That is a lot of horse****. TV executives are going to do due diligence on a conference before offering any contract. They are going to know which schools deliver the best multi-year ratings and how the conference does as a whole.

More importantly, however, they are going to have an idea of who wants out and at least some indication of how unstable a conference is. An all of those things will be accounted for in the conference's contract. For example:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ng-sources

NBC Sports Network's contract divided the league into Group A (Connecticut, Cincinnati, Houston and Temple) and Group B (the remaining members), sources said. The media rights deal can be terminated if either two Group A schools leave or one Group A and one Group B school leave. If two Group B schools leave, the contract will be renegotiated, sources said. This does not include any schools that already have announced they are leaving, such as Louisville, Rutgers, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh or Syracuse.

[...]

Sources said the clause was put in to protect NBC Sports Network because Connecticut and Cincinnati are "next in line," sources said, to move to the ACC if it loses any more members to the Big Ten, SEC or Big 12.

Basically, any hint of instability will be covered by clauses that protect the network from any membership changes. UC's AD saying "we want out" isn't going to change the value of the contract...the most it would do is reaffirm what the executive (and anyone paying attention) already know. If you are in the G5, you want out.


So if we accept that the AD's comments can't hurt the AAC's bargaining position (doesn't change the league's value) and we acknowledge it was only meant for UC, then we also accept that there really isn't a need for a 19 page long ***** fest on the topic.

cool story bro

This place makes the Boneyard look like a Mensa convention. Nobody is going to vote to kick UC out. You have to go full retard to believe that.

(02-17-2014 07:50 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  This place makes the Boneyard look like a Mensa convention. Nobody is going to vote to kick UC out. You have to go full retard to believe that.

haha shhhh, let them keep yapping, its too funny to end now

(02-17-2014 07:50 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  This place makes the Boneyard look like a Mensa convention. Nobody is going to vote to kick UC out. You have to go full retard to believe that.

All three sentences

(02-17-2014 07:32 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  Here is the thing. A lot of posters seem to operating under the assumption that pretending the league is stable publicly will somehow actually make it stable or improve its bargaining position. That simply isn't the case.

True, but there's another aspect of pretending going on: pretending that having the A.D. publicly announce "We'd like to be in a P5 conference" will actually make it happen or improve the school's bargaining position. That isn't the case, either.

Quote:absolutely everyone in the media already knows that any G5 schools would leave for a P5 conference. UC's AD stating the obvious isn't going to cause a mass outbreak of "Look how terrible and unhappy the American conference team are" in the media. At most, most in the media will say "well, duh".

Also true. But it goes to the underlying point of the discussion. It wasn't the content of Bohn's comments that got the media's attention ("Cincinnati wants to be in the P5? Damn, who-da-thunk-it?"). It was the rudeness -- needless, pointless, and generating no advantage whatsoever to Cincinnati -- of Bohn making the comments in public.