(01-22-2014 03:02 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Will the committee give us the benefit of the doubt because we finished 11-1 against better competition?

Sure.

Sounds to me like some money will have to change hands for the G5 selection.

(01-22-2014 02:09 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 01:29 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 01:25 PM)Marcus Wrote:  What are the AAC's bowl tie-in's? If they were posted already I apologize. I must have missed it.

2014 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Army/Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. MAC

2015 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC

In addition to the conference's primary bowl affiliations, The American holds secondary partnerships with the AutoZone Liberty Bowl in Memphis, Tenn., the AdvoCare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., and the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego.

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...34743.aspx

Wow that is pretty brutral. Where does the conference champion go? Compass Bowl in Bham?

Articles that came out of Providence indicated it would be up to the conference to decide based on the best available matchup. Woohoo.

(01-22-2014 07:46 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 02:09 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 01:29 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 01:25 PM)Marcus Wrote:  What are the AAC's bowl tie-in's? If they were posted already I apologize. I must have missed it.

2014 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Army/Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. MAC

2015 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC

In addition to the conference's primary bowl affiliations, The American holds secondary partnerships with the AutoZone Liberty Bowl in Memphis, Tenn., the AdvoCare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., and the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego.

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...34743.aspx

Wow that is pretty brutral. Where does the conference champion go? Compass Bowl in Bham?

Articles that came out of Providence indicated it would be up to the conference to decide based on the best available matchup. Woohoo.

Besides the auto bid it isn't that different. As a 9-10 win team the past 3 years we played 6-6 Vandy, 6-6 Duke, and 6-6 UNC.

(01-22-2014 08:02 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 07:46 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 02:09 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 01:29 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(01-22-2014 01:25 PM)Marcus Wrote:  What are the AAC's bowl tie-in's? If they were posted already I apologize. I must have missed it.

2014 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. ACC
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl, Fort Worth, Texas – vs. Army/Big 12
Bahamas Bowl, Nassau, Bahamas – vs. MAC

2015 Season
BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham, Ala. – vs. SEC
Beef 'O' Brady's Bowl St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Miami Beach Bowl, Miami, Fla. – vs. Conference USA
Military Bowl presented by Northrop Grumman, Annapolis, Md. – vs. ACC
Sheraton Hawaii Bowl, Honolulu, Hawaii – vs. Mountain West
Boca Raton Bowl, Boca Raton, Fla. – vs. MAC

In addition to the conference's primary bowl affiliations, The American holds secondary partnerships with the AutoZone Liberty Bowl in Memphis, Tenn., the AdvoCare V100 Bowl in Shreveport, La., and the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl in San Diego.

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...34743.aspx

Wow that is pretty brutral. Where does the conference champion go? Compass Bowl in Bham?

Articles that came out of Providence indicated it would be up to the conference to decide based on the best available matchup. Woohoo.

Besides the auto bid it isn't that different. As a 9-10 win team the past 3 years we played 6-6 Vandy, 6-6 Duke, and 6-6 UNC.

This.

Don't get me wrong here....I'm in no way thrilled about this current allotment, however it simply befuddles me the amount of b!tching that goes on in here. Outside of the autobid there weren't really glamour games for us. We've slipped, for sure, however it's not as dramatic as some would have us believed.

I'm with team change conferences for sure, however with that said I can't get with piling on. It's overdone.




mc

(01-22-2014 01:18 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Dude...put the pom poms down. Liberty Bowl is like a high rent district compared to this new lineup. At least the champ got a nice slot. Now what is it...Military Bowl? A game at Marlins Field? How many of those C-USA bowls did you personally attend anyways? I logged 4. Nice little bowls for a start up program.

We can hold differing opinions as to the quality of the bowls a decade ago....but if you are trying to say this lineup is quality, I will point and laugh.

Pom poms, eh? Is that what the kids are calling fact checking now? I'm just looking to address your revisionist history. But I digress.....

2003 Bowls:
New Orleans Bowl: Memphis v. N Texas

GMAC Bowl: Miami (OH) v. Loserville

Ft. Worth Bowl: TCU v. Boise St.

Hawai'i Bowl: Houston v. Hawai'i

Liberty Bowl: Utah v. Southern Miss


Not a single match up versus the larger conferences. Clearly an inferior bowl line up in this respect. Indisputable.

I was in grad school at UC during this era so I was pretty broke and didn't get to go. I'm happy for you that you were able to attend.

Moving on...I'm not quite sure how you're applying 'start-up' here as CUSA was established in 1995 and well....we all know how long UC has been around.

Again, it's not about championing what we have now, it's not great....however it IS better than where we were 10 years ago. Factor in the ability to access an even higher tier bowl game and the comparison is even further tilted towards today.




mc

The ones near the bottom probably won't be that different but it could near the top. Ignoring the BCS v. Best-of-G5 bowl, here's what they had in the Big East/AAC:

Russell Athletic: Big East #2 v. ACC #3
Belk: Big East #3 v. ACC #5
New Era: Big East #4 v. Big 12 #7
BBVA: Big East #5 v. SEC #9
Beef O'Brady's: Big East #6 v. C-USA #5

I have to believe the top two bowl spots in the AAC aren't going to yield as strong of a P5 opponent as the Russell Athletic or Belk Bowls. There's no way the SEC is sending anything higher than their #8 team to the BBVA bowl and it would probably align with the AAC's #2 team.

That's where I have a problem with the new setup.

(01-23-2014 10:47 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  The ones near the bottom probably won't be that different but it could near the top. Ignoring the BCS v. Best-of-G5 bowl, here's what they had in the Big East/AAC:

Russell Athletic: Big East #2 v. ACC #3
Belk: Big East #3 v. ACC #5
New Era: Big East #4 v. Big 12 #7
BBVA: Big East #5 v. SEC #9
Beef O'Brady's: Big East #6 v. C-USA #5

I have to believe the top two bowl spots in the AAC aren't going to yield as strong of a P5 opponent as the Russell Athletic or Belk Bowls. There's no way the SEC is sending anything higher than their #8 team to the BBVA bowl and it would probably align with the AAC's #2 team.

That's where I have a problem with the new setup.

It's not great. It's far from it. It's really a letdown when bowl season arrives and we're not a part of the BIG days of bowl games.

(01-23-2014 10:47 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  The ones near the bottom probably won't be that different but it could near the top. Ignoring the BCS v. Best-of-G5 bowl, here's what they had in the Big East/AAC:

Russell Athletic: Big East #2 v. ACC #3
Belk: Big East #3 v. ACC #5
New Era: Big East #4 v. Big 12 #7
BBVA: Big East #5 v. SEC #9
Beef O'Brady's: Big East #6 v. C-USA #5

I have to believe the top two bowl spots in the AAC aren't going to yield as strong of a P5 opponent as the Russell Athletic or Belk Bowls. There's no way the SEC is sending anything higher than their #8 team to the BBVA bowl and it would probably align with the AAC's #2 team.

That's where I have a problem with the new setup.

I think it is obvious to all Bearcat fans that all of us are unhappy with the lack of opportunities to play P-5 teams in the bowl games. It is the P-5 that want to limit their exposure to the American Conference. To continue to complain about it has moved far beyond habitual complaining, it has become relentless NAGGING.

Go out and win the conference and dominate to the point of being selected to the Access Bowl.

Go Bearcats

Nagging? Huh? Is this now the unicorns with sparkles and duckies with bonnets forum? No discussing the things that go bump in the night. Even when they really do have fangs?

Heck, many of our own fans on this board did not know the bowl lineup for 2014 or how bad it is. Its ok to discuss. Unless you want to go all PDoc with the get over it schtick. That usually goes well.

(01-23-2014 02:57 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Nagging? Huh? Is this now the unicorns with sparkles and duckies with bonnets forum? No discussing the things that go bump in the night. Even when they really do have fangs?

Heck, many of our own fans on this board did not know the bowl lineup for 2014 or how bad it is. Its ok to discuss. Unless you want to go all PDoc with the get over it schtick. That usually goes well.

My favorite from the unicorn crowd is that they finish every post with....and just dominate the league, and get the Access Bowl. Just keep winning and a P5 will notice.

Like it will always happen. How did that work out this year? And by the way, winning had nothing to do with Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse and Maryland moving to bigger pastures.

And when experienced assistant coaches that have hundreds of contacts built up over time leave for more money, and we replace them with guys that just graduated high school a few years ago, we will see just how hard it will be to recruit and keep winning. I'm sure Boise, ECU, UCF, and Northern Illinois will just rollover because the unicorns proclaim it.

Let's look at them side-by side...

The CUSA (2003) Bowl Line-up: The 2014 AAC Bowl Line Up:
Liberty Bowl (CUSA v. MWC) Military Bowl (AAC v. ACC)
Fort Worth Bowl (CUSA v. MAC) Bell Helicopter (FORT WORTH BOWL) (AAC v. Army/B12)
Hawai'i Bowl (CUSA v. WAC) Miami Beach Bowl (AAC vs. CUSA)
New Orleans Bowl (CUSA v. SBC) St. Petersburg Bowl (AAC vs. ACC)
GMAC Bowl (CUSA vs. MAC) Birmingham Bowl (AAC vs. SEC)
Humanitarian Idaho (CUSA v. WAC) Bahama's (AAC vs. MAC) ***IF IT HAPPENS


Overall, pretty comparable. We lose at the top-end (no Liberty Bowl), but the opposition is better over all. PLEASE NOTE THE FACT THAT THE FORT WORTH BOWL AND THE HAWAI'I BOWL (in 2015) ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. Miami Beach stands to be the big pickup as a major upgrade over Mobile and Boise as a destination, BUT Birmingham and the Trop-dome are obviously LESS desirable than the Superdome.

But honestly, for all intents and purposes, the AAC bowl contract is pretty much equal to CUSA v.1.0's bowl line up.

And, no... I did not count the "access bowl" because that is not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination. You could win the AAC and still get aced out of that bowl. That's like trying to count on winning the lottery to pay your mortgage. Wonderful if it happens, but you can't bank on it.

Overall, pretty comparable. We lose at the top-end (no Liberty Bowl), but the opposition is better over all. PLEASE NOTE THE FACT THAT THE FORT WORTH BOWL AND THE HAWAI'I BOWL (in 2015) ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. Miami Beach stands to be the big pickup as a major upgrade over Mobile and Boise as a destination, BUT Birmingham and the Trop-dome are obviously LESS desirable than the Superdome.

But honestly, for all intents and purposes, the AAC bowl contract is pretty much equal to CUSA v.1.0's bowl line up.

And, no... I did not count the "access bowl" because that is not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination. You could win the AAC and still get aced out of that bowl. That's like trying to count on winning the lottery to pay your mortgage. Wonderful if it happens, but you can't bank on it.
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Fair to toss out the Access Bowl. That's not a solid

I find it a lil hard to say they're equal. Play a major conference team, and yes it sucks that it's going to be a down the line team, and you score a) more exposure b) more money.


Destination would seemingly rank a very distant 3rd as it's irrelevant to the game itself. Yes, it matters to us, the paying public, I get that. Furthermore it's a relatively subjective evaluation metric, once you move outside of more widely acclaimed cities. FWIW, i think Memphis is a cesspool. Charlotte is meh. Etc. Bottom line, some ppl like this town, others like another.





mc

Been to every bowl from Papa John to Belk II.

I cannot see going to any bowl next year except, perhaps Military.

The rest suck.

(01-23-2014 06:21 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

Quote:Overall, pretty comparable. We lose at the top-end (no Liberty Bowl), but the opposition is better over all. PLEASE NOTE THE FACT THAT THE FORT WORTH BOWL AND THE HAWAI'I BOWL (in 2015) ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. Miami Beach stands to be the big pickup as a major upgrade over Mobile and Boise as a destination, BUT Birmingham and the Trop-dome are obviously LESS desirable than the Superdome.

But honestly, for all intents and purposes, the AAC bowl contract is pretty much equal to CUSA v.1.0's bowl line up.

And, no... I did not count the "access bowl" because that is not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination. You could win the AAC and still get aced out of that bowl. That's like trying to count on winning the lottery to pay your mortgage. Wonderful if it happens, but you can't bank on it.

Fair to toss out the Access Bowl. That's not a solid

I find it a lil hard to say they're equal. Play a major conference team, and yes it sucks that it's going to be a down the line team, and you score a) more exposure b) more money.


Destination would seemingly rank a very distant 3rd as it's irrelevant to the game itself. Yes, it matters to us, the paying public, I get that. Furthermore it's a relatively subjective evaluation metric, once you move outside of more widely acclaimed cities. FWIW, i think Memphis is a cesspool. Charlotte is meh. Etc. Bottom line, some ppl like this town, others like another.

Destination is one thing. Stature of the Bowl game is yet another thing. And yeah, opponent is yet another factor. They are ALL part of the picture.

I'm actually trying to be reasonable about this. It's not the "end of the world" nor is it a bowl of cherries. Overall, it's probably a gain from the old CUSA days, but not substantially so. I think the basic, overall thing is that the AAC is slightly better than (the original) CUSA was, but not greatly so. The money is slightly better, the exposure is probably about equal, the bowls are slightly better but comparable.

It's not a big deal, either way.

It's not a gain when you factor in status of program from 15 years ago until now. Far from it. Was my original point, albeit admittedly not artfully crafted.

UC football under Minter, these new bowls are fine. They are far from fine for UC football in 2014. Just another symptom of the new reality. Come bowl season, Dossbig may have lots of company staying home on the couch after being a road warrior for years.

You'll find no argument from me that these bowls fail to excite. It's unlikely that any of us will find a fan that's happy about these things.


It's such a shame the Miami one couldn't be against a power conference. I'd love an excuse to be down there. Either way, I'd venture down.




mc

(01-23-2014 12:30 PM)Bearcat61 Wrote:  

(01-23-2014 10:47 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  The ones near the bottom probably won't be that different but it could near the top. Ignoring the BCS v. Best-of-G5 bowl, here's what they had in the Big East/AAC:

Russell Athletic: Big East #2 v. ACC #3
Belk: Big East #3 v. ACC #5
New Era: Big East #4 v. Big 12 #7
BBVA: Big East #5 v. SEC #9
Beef O'Brady's: Big East #6 v. C-USA #5

I have to believe the top two bowl spots in the AAC aren't going to yield as strong of a P5 opponent as the Russell Athletic or Belk Bowls. There's no way the SEC is sending anything higher than their #8 team to the BBVA bowl and it would probably align with the AAC's #2 team.

That's where I have a problem with the new setup.

I think it is obvious to all Bearcat fans that all of us are unhappy with the lack of opportunities to play P-5 teams in the bowl games. It is the P-5 that want to limit their exposure to the American Conference. To continue to complain about it has moved far beyond habitual complaining, it has become relentless NAGGING.

Go out and win the conference and dominate to the point of being selected to the Access Bowl.

Go Bearcats

our bowl line up is so bad I can't but help to "nag" about it....it's beyond bad

I went to the PJ.com Bowl because Kelly said "Sure we got screwed by UConn getting Belk instead of use but we must show up or we will never get good invites". We should up twice as strong as S. MS. and Hattisburg is close to Birmingham. I went to all since.

I go for three reasons:

1. To support my team
2. Decent location and date
3. Decent opponent

Next year the likelihood of going looks slim. I will buy 2 tickets even if I do not attend.

Military Bowl (AAC v. ACC) MAYBE
Bell Helicopter (FORT WORTH BOWL) (AAC v. Army/B12) PERHAPS IF B12
Miami Beach Bowl (AAC vs. CUSA) NOT IN A BASEBALL STADIUM
St. Petersburg Bowl (AAC vs. ACC) NO the game is right before Christmas
Birmingham Bowl (AAC vs. SEC) NEVER AGAIN LEGION FIELD SHOULD BE BLOWN UP
Bahama's (AAC vs. MAC) ***IF IT HAPPENS AT A CRICKET STADIUM?