(01-06-2014 04:14 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.)

Not all. SEC doesn't have a rep from solid confederate states OK and NC.

Also, KY was split down the middle at first and eventually went Union. Same with Missouri, they actually had about 3x as many Union troops as Confederate.

That's because the Union Federal Arsenal, Jefferson Barracks, was located just south of St Louis. They marched on the state capital and ran off elected state government which was in the process of joining the Confederacy. So you see, the Union already had thousands of troops already stationed in Missouri. The confederate army got within about 100 miles of capturing Jefferson Barracks, but were finally stopped near Arcadia/Ft Davidson. I personally have two great great great grandfathers who fought each other in Missouri. Funny thing... after the war their kids married. lol.. As for Oklahoma, wasn't they still Indian Territory?

Right, Oklahoma became a state in 1907. Non-SEC states Virginia and North Carolina seceded; SEC states Missouri and Kentucky did not.

(01-06-2014 04:33 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 04:14 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(01-06-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.)

Not all. SEC doesn't have a rep from solid confederate states OK and NC.

Also, KY was split down the middle at first and eventually went Union. Same with Missouri, they actually had about 3x as many Union troops as Confederate.

That's because the Union Federal Arsenal, Jefferson Barracks, was located just south of St Louis. They marched on the state capital and ran off elected state government which was in the process of joining the Confederacy. So you see, the Union already had thousands of troops already stationed in Missouri. The confederate army got within about 100 miles of capturing Jefferson Barracks, but were finally stopped near Arcadia/Ft Davidson. I personally have two great great great grandfathers who fought each other in Missouri. Funny thing... after the war their kids married. lol.. As for Oklahoma, wasn't they still Indian Territory?

Right, Oklahoma became a state in 1907. Non-SEC states Virginia and North Carolina seceded; SEC states Missouri and Kentucky did not.

Correct, it became a state in 1907 but it was still involved in the Civil War. Upon further research, they'd be very similar to Kentucky and Missouri. The native tribes were split in their allegiances to the North and South. Both sides had American Indians from the OK territory in regiments.

Not sure how I forgot VA considering the Capital of the Confederacy was there.

(01-05-2014 01:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Nah.

I don't think OSU is a good fit in the conference. OU is toss up in terms of being a fit or not.

Ideally, the next two come from the existing footprint, Clemson and FSU, or somewhere East, North Carolina.

Wishful thinking

The Federal Arsenal was and still is in the City of St. Louis. I work there. It is the oldest continuously used military installation west of the Mississippi. Jefferson Barracks was and still is south of the city in St Louis County. Most of it is now a park, but some of it is an Air Guard installation, a VA hospital, and a National Cemetery.

Missouri was legally a Confederate state. The Missouri legislature passed a bill seceding from the US and the governor signed it. The Confederate Congress extended statehood to Missouri and one of the stars on the Confederate battle flag was for Missouri.

Shortly after the bill was passed, a Confederate militia led by the St. Louis police department plotted to capture the Arsenal. Capt William Lyons surrounded their camp and captured them. He them quick marched his troops toward the state capital in Columbia. The state government, including the governor and most of the legislature fled to northern Arkansas and set up a state government in exile. Capt. Lyons illegally installed his own governor and legislature. More Civil War battles were fought in Missouri than anywhere else, but they were very small compared to the battles in the east.

(01-06-2014 08:12 PM)lew240z Wrote:  The Federal Arsenal was and still is in the City of St. Louis. I work there. It is the oldest continuously used military installation west of the Mississippi. Jefferson Barracks was and still is south of the city in St Louis County. Most of it is now a park, but some of it is an Air Guard installation, a VA hospital, and a National Cemetery.

Missouri was legally a Confederate state. The Missouri legislature passed a bill seceding from the US and the governor signed it. The Confederate Congress extended statehood to Missouri and one of the stars on the Confederate battle flag was for Missouri.

Shortly after the bill was passed, a Confederate militia led by the St. Louis police department plotted to capture the Arsenal. Capt William Lyons surrounded their camp and captured them. He them quick marched his troops toward the state capital in Columbia. The state government, including the governor and most of the legislature fled to northern Arkansas and set up a state government in exile. Capt. Lyons illegally installed his own governor and legislature. More Civil War battles were fought in Missouri than anywhere else, but they were very small compared to the battles in the east.

Excellent post. I used to fly kites out over the Mississippi River at the Barracks as a little boy with my dad on Sunday's. And there you go SEC fans. The CSA considered Missouri as an occupied Confederate state.

(01-05-2014 01:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The SEC could make a move that would solidify its dominance and force other moves by the PAC 12 and Big TEN.

The SEC could invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma State:

SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M

The Big Ten then could invite Kansas and Kansas State

Big Ten East

Illinois
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers

Big Ten West

Iowa
Kansas
Kansas State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

Texas humbles itself and request admission to the PAC 12 bringing Texas Tech with them

PAC 14 West

California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington

PAC 14 East

Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah
Washington State


The rest of the Big 12 joins the AAC along with BYU

AAC West

Baylor
Brigham Young
Houston
Iowa State
Memphis
Southern Methodist
Texas Christian
Tulsa

AAC East

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
Tulane
West Virginia


With the ACC/Notre Dame making the P5.

First round playoff - Conference Championship
2nd round playoff - Seeded conference Champions
3rd round playoff - National Championship

Texas had 2 chances to go in with most of its Texas/Oklahoma friends and they declined. That ship has sailed.

And if Texas goes to the Pac-12, Oklahoma is going with them.

(01-11-2014 03:08 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(01-05-2014 01:04 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  The SEC could make a move that would solidify its dominance and force other moves by the PAC 12 and Big TEN.

The SEC could invite Oklahoma and Oklahoma State:

SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas A&M

The Big Ten then could invite Kansas and Kansas State

Big Ten East

Illinois
Indiana
Maryland
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers

Big Ten West

Iowa
Kansas
Kansas State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

Texas humbles itself and request admission to the PAC 12 bringing Texas Tech with them

PAC 14 West

California
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Washington

PAC 14 East

Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
Texas
Texas Tech
Utah
Washington State


The rest of the Big 12 joins the AAC along with BYU

AAC West

Baylor
Brigham Young
Houston
Iowa State
Memphis
Southern Methodist
Texas Christian
Tulsa

AAC East

Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
Tulane
West Virginia


With the ACC/Notre Dame making the P5.

First round playoff - Conference Championship
2nd round playoff - Seeded conference Champions
3rd round playoff - National Championship

Texas had 2 chances to go in with most of its Texas/Oklahoma friends and they declined. That ship has sailed.

And if Texas goes to the Pac-12, Oklahoma is going with them.

The Big 10 and SEC would make a lot more for their efforts by moving East instead of West. But to make that happen the PAC needs to take a lot more than just Texas and Oklahoma. They need to take both Oklahoma's, Texas Tech, Iowa State, both of the Kansas schools and get the Big 10 to release Nebraska. Then you would have 4 national brands (3 of which were football schools) and 8 central time zone slots in which to market even more of your product.

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
Arizona, Arizona State, California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern California
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech, Utah
Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska

Those make for four great divisions. That would permit to Big 10 to take 7 selections from the East and the SEC to take 6. That's enough to dissolve both conferences and end their GOR's, while forcing N.D. to decide to commit fully to a conference for inclusion.

Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, and N.D. (or Connecticut if they refuse) to the Big 10

Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, N.C. State, Virginia Tech and either Louisville, West Virginia, or Miami to the SEC.

That's 3 conferences of 20 teams each with three networks and relatively equal income when all is said and done. Each would play the 4 teams in their division, one other division on a rotating basis, and 1 permanent rival for 10 games. Then they would play 1 game each from the other two conferences for a total of 12. The three conference champions and 1 at large would play it off for the national title. No G5's, no patsies, semi finals added for the conference championship round and everything is over with by the first week of January. The content for each conference would be more valuable, there would be more to air for the conference networks, and all of the money from all of the games would stay in the upper tier.