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The imaginations of some people.
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RE: The SEC's next move
(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='10251264' dateline='1388958512']


It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.
Good theory, but you're leaving history out of the equation. I don't see Kansas willing to join the SEC, a group that historically they've been at odds with (not just Mizzou. Kansas was a Union state during the War between the States. The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.) I can see at least Georgia, Alabama, & Auburn voting as a block against Kansas, and you might be able to add South Carolina to that list also. I'm not sure on which side Mizzou would fall, but, at any rate, I don't think they'd have to worry about blackballing Jayhawks. If the SEC is going after basketball this last round, which is a very distinct possibility, I'd have to say that UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake Forest (not a typo, btw), and Oklahoma State would be candidates, strange and odd as that may sound.
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(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 04:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  The SEC's next two selections (whenever that occurs) will not be based solely on market. It will be based on who adds the most value. If necessary a 52 million dollar buyout plus ameliorated GOR value could be easily covered. Let's say that the incoming team added 2 million a year to the value of the other member schools in the SEC. It would only be necessary for the existing teams to agree to take half of that value for 10 years and to let the rest ride on the buyouts. That's $140 million over ten years to cover the cost of admission for an ACC or Big 12 school. So forget the the cost and the GOR angle. If the next move is one that has to last for a great while to come, and I believe it will be, then the cost will not be as important as the long term value of the addition.

The Big 10 and SEC will both be taking that into consideration when the moves are made, whether before next August 15th or 10 years from now.

So the great fallacy of the current realignment speculation is that anyone is off the table due to the GOR's. In the above manner of compensation that I described the amount of available money to an ACC team could be as high as 90 million by either the Big 10 or SEC if they followed the formula of only giving existing members half of the value added by the move over a protracted period of time (like a decade). Considering the current value of both the Big 12 and ACC teams are around the 20 milliion mark give or take a couple of million, then 90 million would account for 4 and a half years of the GOR at full value. If teams decide to move by August of next year, and give two years notice, then a move by 2017 would require a two decade payback instead of 1. But remember, everyone, including the moving teams, would be making more than they are presently, and that is if the GOR isn't arbitrated down to some extent which is also a viable possibility.

In the SEC for instance if a team by 2017 is projected to earn 35 million per year in payout then, obviously since all members receive equal shares from the get go, it would be profitable for either a Big 12 or ACC school to move, have the existing membership forgo half of their added value, pay their former conferences in full, and for the entering teams to make full value immediately for their decision. If the entering teams agree to forgo half of their entering increase, along with the defrayed amount by existing members, the duration of the payback would be cut in half or by more.

Given that contingency and the likelihood that the ACC survives just fine, then the SEC could afford to go after Texas or Oklahoma, Texas and Florida State, or Oklahoma and Florida State, or anyone else that adds great content value, national following, or new markets. I throw out those pairings to illustrate that anything might be possible.

The only encumbrance to realignment remains the target's willingness to move. And, that movement can only be enticed by so much money, whether that money comes through sports, academics, or by some other means.

I doubt very much that Mike Slive or Jim Delany are worried or concerned about who might or might not be available. They will only be concerned with maximizing value and maintaining harmony within their existing membership.

So please when you are speculating keep this in mind. Most of the realignment speculators operate with many "internet made up rules" which in reality can either be gotten around, or simply don't apply.

And by the way I'm not saying that Florida State or Texas want to come to the SEC, or that the SEC is out to get them, or anything of the kind. I'm simply using two Kings of the sport as an example of why anything could happen and the amount of buyout is not as major of a consequence as everyone makes it out to be. JR

I think the value of television money is greatly overated in the five major conferences. The prospect of adding an extra $10 million in TV revenue sounds great until you have to weigh that against still being $30-$50 million behind conference leaders. This is the Maryland fallacy, they might pick up $5-$10 million a year after all is said and done over the ACC TV package, but in the ACC the top revenue generating schools ND, FSU, UNC, Louisville, UVa, etc., averaged only about $85 million a year (average) the second tier - NC State, VT, Clemson, Syracuse, etc., are averaging $70 million. Maryland is down in the $60's with a large subsidy.

In the ACC, Maryland is running at 70% of the leaders in the ACC. In the B10, even with a net increase of $10 million to 70 milliion a year and no more subusidy, the leaders are averaging $115 million a year, meaning UM will be running at 60% of the leaders of the SEC.

Now Texas can compete financially in any conference. I'm not sure FSU can generate top 3 income in the SEC, maybe they can. But as it is now, FSU makes the most in the ACC and have no real challengers. In the SEC, FSU will probably run behind Florida, Bama, LSU, TAMU. What they make in some extra TV money and more sell-outs in Doak may be given back when they start averaging at least 2 conferences losses a year and that's to be expected.

I don't see what the SEC actually gains by stacking themselves with two more football powers. The pressure and expectation to win a SEC division is already astronomical for Bama, LSU, Florida, and Georgia. If you then consider that TAMU, Mizzou, SC, UT and Auburn, it seems to me that if you added Texas and FSU, that sets up the league for a lot of pissed-off fans each year.

It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.

LP, I threw out Texas and FSU merely to grab attention, and said so. There is a strong line of argumentation that the next two additions might be for academics, markets and basketball.

Your point is well taken about the trailing the leaders. FSU would be behind Auburn as well in terms of revenue generated. I do think that we will see 16 teams per if the rules governing divisions are changed and I believe the networks will push for this as well as the conferences. It provides a flexibility and format that will be too appealing to resist.

The other aspect about the GOR's is that essentially the networks govern any real penalty that might be incurred from a move through their valuation of the remaining product. If that product moves within a network's sphere of influence, and the network favors the move, the mitigating factor becomes present value (after the move is factored) to current contract value of the conference vacated. If the network sees to it that there is no monetary loss then the exit fee becomes the bulk of the damages. There are literally so many work arounds that can be constructed that for any school adding long term rewards a deal can be struck. The moves that will happen will be the ones that add significant content value to the networks and fulfill the conference's vision of itself at the same time. Therefore it could be for football, basketball, or whatever fulfills both the network's and the conference's visions. Unfortunately that might mean more basketball power to the ACC or football power to the SEC, or it could be that the networks choose to try to value both conferences by filling in for weaknesses. That we will have to wait and see.
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(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va.


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(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='10251264' dateline='1388958512']


It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.
Good theory, but you're leaving history out of the equation. I don't see Kansas willing to join the SEC, a group that historically they've been at odds with (not just Mizzou. Kansas was a Union state during the War between the States. The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.) I can see at least Georgia, Alabama, & Auburn voting as a block against Kansas, and you might be able to add South Carolina to that list also. I'm not sure on which side Mizzou would fall, but, at any rate, I don't think they'd have to worry about blackballing Jayhawks. If the SEC is going after basketball this last round, which is a very distinct possibility, I'd have to say that UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake Forest (not a typo, btw), and Oklahoma State would be candidates, strange and odd as that may sound.

I don't think the Confederacy has anything to do with the current SEC. Mizzou was not in the Confederacy, nor was Kentucky. UVa was in the Confederacy and after NC was surrounded by the Confederacy they pulled out. Are you aware of the current politics in Kansas - they are extremely conservative and are a great match with SC, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Bama.
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(01-05-2014 08:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='10251264' dateline='1388958512']


It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.
Good theory, but you're leaving history out of the equation. I don't see Kansas willing to join the SEC, a group that historically they've been at odds with (not just Mizzou. Kansas was a Union state during the War between the States. The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.) I can see at least Georgia, Alabama, & Auburn voting as a block against Kansas, and you might be able to add South Carolina to that list also. I'm not sure on which side Mizzou would fall, but, at any rate, I don't think they'd have to worry about blackballing Jayhawks. If the SEC is going after basketball this last round, which is a very distinct possibility, I'd have to say that UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake Forest (not a typo, btw), and Oklahoma State would be candidates, strange and odd as that may sound.

I don't think the Confederacy has anything to do with the current SEC. Mizzou was not in the Confederacy, nor was Kentucky. UVa was in the Confederacy and after NC was surrounded by the Confederacy they pulled out. Are you aware of the current politics in Kansas - they are extremely conservative and are a great match with SC, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Bama.

Actually, parts of Missouri & Kentucky were in the Confederacy. (historical side note: the Battle of Pea Ridge in Arkansas pretty much forced the Confederacy completely out of Missouri, but some stayed loyal to the South's cause anyway. The Battle of Perryville was fought in Kentucky. Both states were neutral in the War between the States) I always thought Kansas was more Big Ten oriented. Never knew that Va (the last time I checked, UVa was a university, not a state) pulled out of the Confederacy at all. Always thought they stayed until the bitter end.

Side note #2: Upon further reflection, I remember that the ACC started out as a southern conference but later expanded north. The ACC is different from the SEC though in that there are more snowbirds in ACC states than SEC states.
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(01-05-2014 08:56 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 08:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='10251264' dateline='1388958512']


It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.
Good theory, but you're leaving history out of the equation. I don't see Kansas willing to join the SEC, a group that historically they've been at odds with (not just Mizzou. Kansas was a Union state during the War between the States. The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.) I can see at least Georgia, Alabama, & Auburn voting as a block against Kansas, and you might be able to add South Carolina to that list also. I'm not sure on which side Mizzou would fall, but, at any rate, I don't think they'd have to worry about blackballing Jayhawks. If the SEC is going after basketball this last round, which is a very distinct possibility, I'd have to say that UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake Forest (not a typo, btw), and Oklahoma State would be candidates, strange and odd as that may sound.

I don't think the Confederacy has anything to do with the current SEC. Mizzou was not in the Confederacy, nor was Kentucky. UVa was in the Confederacy and after NC was surrounded by the Confederacy they pulled out. Are you aware of the current politics in Kansas - they are extremely conservative and are a great match with SC, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Bama.

Actually, parts of Missouri & Kentucky were in the Confederacy. (historical side note: the Battle of Pea Ridge in Arkansas pretty much forced the Confederacy completely out of Missouri, but some stayed loyal to the South's cause anyway. The Battle of Perryville was fought in Kentucky. Both states were neutral in the War between the States) I always thought Kansas was more Big Ten oriented. Never knew that Va (the last time I checked, UVa was a university, not a state) pulled out of the Confederacy at all. Always thought they stayed until the bitter end.

Side note #2: Upon further reflection, I remember that the ACC started out as a southern conference but later expanded north. The ACC is different from the SEC though in that there are more snowbirds in ACC states than SEC states.

VA was in till the end. Richmond was the Confederate capital until it fell 2 months before the war ended. VA was not accepted back into the Union until 1870, five years after the end of the war. We were the first state accepted back I do believe.
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(01-05-2014 04:12 PM)AntiG Wrote:  doubt the B1G would want K-State. Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma are probably on their radar though amongst B12 schools.

Undoubtedly, BiG schools like Michigan would vote against KSU. Wouldn't want to take another licking.
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(01-05-2014 08:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
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(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='10251264' dateline='1388958512']


It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.
Good theory, but you're leaving history out of the equation. I don't see Kansas willing to join the SEC, a group that historically they've been at odds with (not just Mizzou. Kansas was a Union state during the War between the States. The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.) I can see at least Georgia, Alabama, & Auburn voting as a block against Kansas, and you might be able to add South Carolina to that list also. I'm not sure on which side Mizzou would fall, but, at any rate, I don't think they'd have to worry about blackballing Jayhawks. If the SEC is going after basketball this last round, which is a very distinct possibility, I'd have to say that UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake Forest (not a typo, btw), and Oklahoma State would be candidates, strange and odd as that may sound.

I don't think the Confederacy has anything to do with the current SEC. Mizzou was not in the Confederacy, nor was Kentucky. UVa was in the Confederacy and after NC was surrounded by the Confederacy they pulled out. Are you aware of the current politics in Kansas - they are extremely conservative and are a great match with SC, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Bama.
KS politics aren't quite as monolithic as they're sometimes made out to be, particularly when you're talking about KU. While it's certainly no Cal/Berkeley, KU is definitely not knee-jerk conservative in terms of either faculty or student body.

I don't think that KU is a good cultural fit for the SEC. I think that the B1G, ACC, and PAC would all be better fits among the top conferences.
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(01-06-2014 11:06 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 08:06 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 05:58 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  [quote='JRsec' pid='10251264' dateline='1388958512']


It seems to me that adding two basketball related schools that don't have the crazy football expectations might be best for the SEC. That would be Kansas and West Va. West Va, gets the SEC close to DC, Kansas adds a legitimate top 5 basketball program for the SEC.

Unless you go to PODs and allow two semi-finals before the Conference championship, I don't think you can keep 10 football crazy fan based happy.

If you look carefully at ACC basketball, this is beginning to happen. 30 years ago 7 schools played for the title, now it's up to 15.
Good theory, but you're leaving history out of the equation. I don't see Kansas willing to join the SEC, a group that historically they've been at odds with (not just Mizzou. Kansas was a Union state during the War between the States. The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.) I can see at least Georgia, Alabama, & Auburn voting as a block against Kansas, and you might be able to add South Carolina to that list also. I'm not sure on which side Mizzou would fall, but, at any rate, I don't think they'd have to worry about blackballing Jayhawks. If the SEC is going after basketball this last round, which is a very distinct possibility, I'd have to say that UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake Forest (not a typo, btw), and Oklahoma State would be candidates, strange and odd as that may sound.

I don't think the Confederacy has anything to do with the current SEC. Mizzou was not in the Confederacy, nor was Kentucky. UVa was in the Confederacy and after NC was surrounded by the Confederacy they pulled out. Are you aware of the current politics in Kansas - they are extremely conservative and are a great match with SC, Mississippi, Tennessee, and Bama.
KS politics aren't quite as monolithic as they're sometimes made out to be, particularly when you're talking about KU. While it's certainly no Cal/Berkeley, KU is definitely not knee-jerk conservative in terms of either faculty or student body.

I don't think that KU is a good cultural fit for the SEC. I think that the B1G, ACC, and PAC would all be better fits among the top conferences.

Stunning comments.

However I know a great deal about Kansas since KU is UNC-Ch's mirror twin. I know a great deal about Miss Bernadette as well. The fact remains that Kansas is a conservative State. Just look at your Congressional delegation. Kansas is much more conservative than NC or Va. Kansas would be perfectly at home in the SEC as much as Mizzou is at home.

As to the Civil War comments - I'll let the re-enactors talk about it.
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I have long been in favor of inviting Kansas if the SEC moved to add two more -- Kansas and Duke would be a major coup, enhancing academics and basketball at the same time. To be sure, my preference would be to be proactive in any future realignment. Should the NCAA approve pods and semifinal playoffs, then I wouldn't be opposed to the SEC going as large as 24, but my first choice would be a 16-team SEC, adding Kansas and either West Virginia or a North Carolina school.
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(01-06-2014 11:37 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  I have long been in favor of inviting Kansas if the SEC moved to add two more -- Kansas and Duke would be a major coup, enhancing academics and basketball at the same time. To be sure, my preference would be to be proactive in any future realignment. Should the NCAA approve pods and semifinal playoffs, then I wouldn't be opposed to the SEC going as large as 24, but my first choice would be a 16-team SEC, adding Kansas and either West Virginia or a North Carolina school.

You can forget Duke unless you also take UNC, UVa, NC State, VT, and WF - Sorry you can't untangle the ACC's Gordian knot.

When you talk about expanded the SEC to 24 - what you are really talking about it putting the old Southern Conference back together and you will be at 32 before you know it with 4 divisions of 8, or at 36 with 6 divisions of 6.

West Va, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke, WF, NCSU, Clemson, SC, UGA, GT, FSU, Florida, Miami, Auburn, Bama, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisville, Mizzou, Vandy, Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, TAMU, Texas, OU, OSU, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, Pitt, Arkansas - that's 33. If you go to 36 you can added BC, Syracuse, ND.

Then you have a full South and Eastern Conference. I guess you could call it the South and Atlantic Conference. With 6 divisions you can get an 8 team playoff - six division champs and two wild cards.

Oil Patch

Texas
TAMU
Arkansas
LSU
Oklahoma
OSU

Gulf Coast

Ole Miss
MSU
Bama
Auburn
Tennessee
FSU

South Atlantic

Miami
Florida
GT
UGA
SC
Clemson

Tobacco Road

UNC
Duke
NCSU
Wake
VT
UVa

Bluegrass

Vandy
UK
Louisville
West Va
Mizzou
Pitt

North

BC
Syracuse
ND
Iowa State
Kansas
K-State

Imagine the following champions:

Oil Patch: Oklahoma (1)
Gulf Coast: Bama (2)
S. Atlantic: FSU (3)
Tobacco Road: VT (6)
Bluegrass: Mizzou (4)
North: ND (5)
Wild Card 1: LSU
Wild Card 2: SC

Playoff

1. Oklahoma vs. 8. South Carolina
2. Bama vs. 7. LSU
3. FSU vs. 6 VT
4. Mizzou vs. 5 ND

1. OU vs. 5. ND
2. Bama vs. 3. FSU

1. OU vs. 3. FSU

If this is going on, no one will care what is happening in the B10 or the P12.
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The P12 and the B10 would have to merge to combat the S&A conference:

WSU, Washington, Oregon, OSU, Cal, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, UCLA, USC, Utah, Colorado, Iowa, Nebraska, Minn, Wisky, Ill, Purdue, NW, Indiana MSU, SCUM, Ohio State, Penn State, MD, Rutgers. This is 26. Perhaps they want to go to 30 for divisions of 6. The adds would likely be schools not normally acceptable to the group BYU, New Mexico , Connecticut or New Mexico.

North Pacific

Washington
WSU
Oregon
OSU
Cal
Stanford

South Pacific

USC
UCLA
Arizona
ASU
BYU
Utah

Mid West

New Mexico
Colorado
Nebraska
Iowa
Minnesotta
Illinois

Great Lakes

Wisky
NW
Purdue
Indiana
MSU
Michigan

East

Ohio State
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Connectiutt

Imagine the following champions:

NP - Oregon (3)
SP- UCLA (4)
MW - Nebraska (5)
GL - MSU (1)
East - Ohio State (2)
Wild Card 1 - Stanford
Wild Card 2 - USC
Wild Card 3 - Wisky

Playoff

1. MSU vs. 8. Wisky
2. OSU vs. 7. USC
3. Oregon vs. 6. Stanford
4. UCLA vs. 5. Nebraska

1. MSU vs. 4. UCLA
2. OSU vs 3. Oregon

1. MSU vs. 3. Oregon
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(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.)

Not all. SEC doesn't have a rep from solid confederate states OK and NC.

Also, KY was split down the middle at first and eventually went Union. Same with Missouri, they actually had about 3x as many Union troops as Confederate. 03-shhhh
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If texas and the pac 12 worked with the big 10 they could jump to 32 pretty easily. Big 10 + pac 12 merge and invite texas, texas tech, ou, ok state, ku and missouri and form 4 divisions of 8. Thus, you would have one conference to stream line things. I would go with 4 team playoff and each divisions acting like a mini-conference with 4 separate hoops tournaments. I think the concept works a little better if you jump to 40 and 4 divisions of 10.
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I think much of our realignment is built on a house of cards.
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Well if we based our conferences and college football on the civil war UMass and SUNY would dominate.

I believe they exceeded the scholarship limit.
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(01-06-2014 02:41 PM)esayem Wrote:  Well if we based our conferences and college football on the civil war UMass and SUNY would dominate.

I believe they exceeded the scholarship limit.

It was conscription right off of the boats coming in from Ireland. The inducement for citizenship was service. Therefore both states violated the NCAA's rules on amateur service. In other words the North should have been hit with sanctions up to and including an invasion ban and no tintype images for public consumption. Mathew Brady's photographs should have been confiscated and the soldiers reimbursed for the use of their images.
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(01-06-2014 01:09 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  
(01-05-2014 06:24 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The SEC is made up of all the states that made up the Confederacy.)

Not all. SEC doesn't have a rep from solid confederate states OK and NC.

Also, KY was split down the middle at first and eventually went Union. Same with Missouri, they actually had about 3x as many Union troops as Confederate. 03-shhhh
That's because the Union Federal Arsenal, Jefferson Barracks, was located just south of St Louis. They marched on the state capital and ran off elected state government which was in the process of joining the Confederacy. So you see, the Union already had thousands of troops already stationed in Missouri. The confederate army got within about 100 miles of capturing Jefferson Barracks, but were finally stopped near Arcadia/Ft Davidson. I personally have two great great great grandfathers who fought each other in Missouri. Funny thing... after the war their kids married. lol.. As for Oklahoma, wasn't they still Indian Territory?
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(01-05-2014 04:06 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  ACC's South Carolina just put a whipping on BiG's Ohio State. Monday, Florida State U plays for the national championship. If ACC is to make a move or two, say, for example, the illustration I gave previously of perhaps inviting Penn State and Rutgers, this is the time to do it. Nothing would be lost to ACC; but it would gain national publicity for ACC, letting the nation know that the ACC, at worst, is on par with BiG, and with its Notre Dame affiliation and superb basketball, moving ahead of BiG. Any move has to of course wait after Maryland ruling.

PAC had an invitation on the table to Colorado for years; Colorado eventually took it. Same difference.

1) South Carolina is in the SEC, and didn't play OSU
I assume you mean Clemson

5 points, in which the winning score came in the last 5 minutes, and OSU had a chance at the end is a whipping?

Delusional as usual
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