Massey Ratings:

45. ECU
65. Marshall
73. UNT
75. Rice
88. Tulane
89. Tulsa
94. UTSA
95. MTSU
104. FAU
109. UAB
110. La Tech
118. FIU
119. USM
121. UTEP

There are two or three of our fans on here that are making the rest of us look bad.

I understand being confident about our team, but you don't have to act like jackasses about it.

(10-06-2013 10:11 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  There are two or three of our fans on here that are making the rest of us look bad.

I understand being confident about our team, but you don't have to act like jackasses about it.

same goes for our fans as well.

ecu pirate

(10-06-2013 08:41 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I have no problem with you ranking Marshall over ECU, but for the record, (1) VT missed 3 FGs vs Marshall (9 points) and only 2 and an XP vs ECU (7 points) and (2) we led in our game for some of the time too.

Chappy, in a 60 minute to 60 minute comparison, we tied them on theraod and they missed 1 FG as did we. I don't know if Marshall or ECU is better at this point, but we did play VT better and we did it on the road.

(10-06-2013 10:19 AM)banker Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:41 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I have no problem with you ranking Marshall over ECU, but for the record, (1) VT missed 3 FGs vs Marshall (9 points) and only 2 and an XP vs ECU (7 points) and (2) we led in our game for some of the time too.

Chappy, in a 60 minute to 60 minute comparison, we tied them on theraod and they missed 1 FG as did we. I don't know if Marshall or ECU is better at this point, but we display VT better and we did it on the road.

You also LOST to OHIO and we beat UNC

1)ECU and Marshall
3)Rice, Tulane, UNT (road loss; plus they have probably the best ooc win for C-USA)
6)FAU, UTSA, MTSU
9)Tulsa
10)La Tech
11)UAB, FIU, UTEP
14)USM

(10-06-2013 08:27 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  Still too early for definitive rankings, imo. Based on performance (and not on expectations...as is the case with Tulsa), I would group them as follows

1. ECU, Marshall, Rice,
2. MTSU, Tulane
3. UTSA, FAU, North Texas, Tulsa, LaTech
4. UTEP, FIU, UAB
5. USM (I hate writing this down with USM in last place, but it is what it is...at the moment.)

If I were a betting man (and I am) I would put our six bowl slots as ECU (10-2), Marshall (9-3) ,Rice (8-4), MTSU (7-5), Tulane (7-5) and Tulsa (7-5)

As you have each with 1 more loss to finish the regular season, I'm curious who those losses would be to.

If you have Marshall beating East Carolina, then who would Marshall's other loss be to.....? I assume either MTSU or Tulsa.

If you have Marshall losing to ECU, then you expect Marshall to go undefeated up to it's Nov 29 game with the Pirates.

It appears without digging to deep that if your final records come to fruition, that in either scenario (ECU winning at Marshall / ECU losing at Marshall) that ECU would win the East.

(10-06-2013 10:28 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 10:19 AM)banker Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:41 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I have no problem with you ranking Marshall over ECU, but for the record, (1) VT missed 3 FGs vs Marshall (9 points) and only 2 and an XP vs ECU (7 points) and (2) we led in our game for some of the time too.

Chappy, in a 60 minute to 60 minute comparison, we tied them on theraod and they missed 1 FG as did we. I don't know if Marshall or ECU is better at this point, but we display VT better and we did it on the road.

You also LOST to OHIO and we beat UNC

They always seem to forget that nugget, or that they ended up losing by more to VT. God them and their moral victories.

Hey lets see who is getting votes in the top 25 polls this week? Marshall hasn't even got a vote all year...

(10-06-2013 10:08 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Massey Ratings:

45. ECU
65. Marshall
73. UNT
75. Rice
88. Tulane
89. Tulsa
94. UTSA
95. MTSU
104. FAU
109. UAB
110. La Tech
118. FIU
119. USM
121. UTEP

I think those are based on 18 rankings. There will be about 95 rankings included by Wednesday, so the current #s will change a bit.

(10-06-2013 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:27 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  Still too early for definitive rankings, imo. Based on performance (and not on expectations...as is the case with Tulsa), I would group them as follows

1. ECU, Marshall, Rice,
2. MTSU, Tulane
3. UTSA, FAU, North Texas, Tulsa, LaTech
4. UTEP, FIU, UAB
5. USM (I hate writing this down with USM in last place, but it is what it is...at the moment.)

If I were a betting man (and I am) I would put our six bowl slots as ECU (10-2), Marshall (9-3) ,Rice (8-4), MTSU (7-5), Tulane (7-5) and Tulsa (7-5)

As you have each with 1 more loss to finish the regular season, I'm curious who those losses would be to.

If you have Marshall beating East Carolina, then who would Marshall's other loss be to.....? I assume either MTSU or Tulsa.

If you have Marshall losing to ECU, then you expect Marshall to go undefeated up to it's Nov 29 game with the Pirates.

It appears without digging to deep that if your final records come to fruition, that in either scenario (ECU winning at Marshall / ECU losing at Marshall) that ECU would win the East.

If MU loses to MT, but beats us, we would both be at one loss but they would have the head to head tiebreaker and therefore would win the east. Right?

So many pissing contests
Who cares who is better?? We play this season, we will find out soon enough!

(10-06-2013 09:45 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I hope every team considers Marshall an easy win, and I cannot understand why a Marshall fan would try to convince another team otherwise. Marshall is a team none of you should worry about. There is no need to prepare for our team at all. In fact, FAU can stop practicing for next week. Marshall will not be competition.

GO HERD!

Who the FUCge is considering "Marshall an easy win"? That makes you sound like a dummy.

(10-06-2013 11:11 AM)ECpirate Wrote:  So many pissing contests
Who cares who is better?? We play this season, we will find out soon enough!

To quote the great Optimus Prime...

"...one shall stand.. One shall fall"

(10-06-2013 10:08 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Massey Ratings:

45. ECU
65. Marshall
73. UNT
75. Rice
88. Tulane
89. Tulsa
94. UTSA
95. MTSU
104. FAU
109. UAB
110. La Tech
118. FIU
119. USM
121. UTEP

Updated Massey ratings, with 37 rankings now included
35. ECU
58. Marshall
71. Rice
74. North Texas
82. Tulane
93. Middle Tennessee
95. Florida Atlantic
99. UTSA
101. Tulsa
110. La. Tech
111. UAB
115. Florida International
120. UTEP
121. Southern Miss

(10-06-2013 09:58 AM)ultraviolet Wrote:  I'm always amazed at the attempts by Marshall fans to prove on paper how much better they are when it will be decided on the field. If this were 2 teams that didn't play each other it might be understandable. It's as if they want us to forfeit in light of all the evidence they provide trying to scare us.

This. It is pretty comical.

(10-06-2013 10:19 AM)banker Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:41 AM)Chappy Wrote:  I have no problem with you ranking Marshall over ECU, but for the record, (1) VT missed 3 FGs vs Marshall (9 points) and only 2 and an XP vs ECU (7 points) and (2) we led in our game for some of the time too.

Chappy, in a 60 minute to 60 minute comparison, we tied them on theraod and they missed 1 FG as did we. I don't know if Marshall or ECU is better at this point, but we did play VT better and we did it on the road.

You lost by more points and you lost to Ohio, we've lost one game. You are 1-0 in conference play, we 2-0. Even C-USA agrees,

http://www.conferenceusa.com/ot/standings.html#football

(10-06-2013 09:35 AM)MarshallHerdFanz Wrote:  Let's change the schedules around. Assume ECU had Marshall's schedule.

They would beat Miami like 52-10
GW 60-3
Ohio-No one knows How good Ohio is. Could be a loss or win.
VT- loss 10-15
Win over UTSA like 28-7

Marshall had ECUs schedule
ODU probably 50-30
FAU- Probably 48-14
VT- 21-29
NC- Who knows
MT- Probable win but we will have to see.

Marshall has two ECU games They have already played coming up. FAU and MTSU

ECU maybe 3-2 or 4-1
Marshall 3-2 or 4-1

The VT games were close losses for both ECU and Marshall, so at best that would seemingly make them even; but the separation in my opinion happens when you see what ECU and Marshall have done on the road; ECU is 2-0 on the road, while Marshall is 0-2 on the road. Marshall's next two games are on the road against FAU and MTSU, which are two teams that will likely finish between 2-4 in CUSA; so we will know a lot more about Marshall in the next couple of weeks.

Finally, any ranking that doesn't have Tulane as one of the top teams in CUSA West is bogus.

(10-06-2013 10:08 AM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Massey Ratings:

45. ECU
65. Marshall
73. UNT
75. Rice
88. Tulane
89. Tulsa
94. UTSA
95. MTSU
104. FAU
109. UAB
110. La Tech
118. FIU
119. USM
121. UTEP

Realtime RPI
35. ECU
61. Rice
70. Marshall
79. Tulane
80. UNT
93. Tulsa
95. MTSU
97. UTSA
99. LTU
106. FAU
123. FIU
134. UAB
146. UTEP
148. USM





http://www.realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_cusa_Men.html

(10-06-2013 11:15 AM)PGPirate Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 09:45 AM)WEARE Wrote:  I hope every team considers Marshall an easy win, and I cannot understand why a Marshall fan would try to convince another team otherwise. Marshall is a team none of you should worry about. There is no need to prepare for our team at all. In fact, FAU can stop practicing for next week. Marshall will not be competition.

GO HERD!

Who the FUCge is considering "Marshall an easy win"? That makes you sound like a dummy.

Actually, it demonstrates reading comprehension. I never claimed anyone considered us an easy win. I said I hope they will.

I was being sarcastic regarding this constant pissing contest. As a Marshall fan, I hope every team underestimates our ability. It leads to overconfidence, and pride comes before the fall.

I was making a statement about how claiming "our team" is best only serves the ego. I am proud of Marshall's ability, but not overly confident. We could loose any of our remaining games. I never want to assume we are the best--I want the team to give 100% and let the results speak for themselves. Leave the early season, unproven, conference champion title to someone else. If that makes me appear dumb, please keep assuming.

(10-06-2013 11:10 AM)FastTheo Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 10:37 AM)ECUPirated Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:27 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  Still too early for definitive rankings, imo. Based on performance (and not on expectations...as is the case with Tulsa), I would group them as follows

1. ECU, Marshall, Rice,
2. MTSU, Tulane
3. UTSA, FAU, North Texas, Tulsa, LaTech
4. UTEP, FIU, UAB
5. USM (I hate writing this down with USM in last place, but it is what it is...at the moment.)

If I were a betting man (and I am) I would put our six bowl slots as ECU (10-2), Marshall (9-3) ,Rice (8-4), MTSU (7-5), Tulane (7-5) and Tulsa (7-5)

As you have each with 1 more loss to finish the regular season, I'm curious who those losses would be to.

If you have Marshall beating East Carolina, then who would Marshall's other loss be to.....? I assume either MTSU or Tulsa.

If you have Marshall losing to ECU, then you expect Marshall to go undefeated up to it's Nov 29 game with the Pirates.

It appears without digging to deep that if your final records come to fruition, that in either scenario (ECU winning at Marshall / ECU losing at Marshall) that ECU would win the East.

If MU loses to MT, but beats us, we would both be at one loss but they would have the head to head tiebreaker and therefore would win the east. Right?

I guess that might be right.

ECU over MTSU
MTSU over Marshall
Marshall over ECU
would give Marshall the division in a tie due to the H2H.

but MTSU's schedule the rest of the way is conducive to going 7-1 in conference.

So if MTSU beat Marshall and went 7-1.
Marshall beat ECU to go 7-1.
and East Carolina beat MTSU and was 7-1.

who then wins the EAST Title ?