(09-08-2013 10:53 PM)Lee Moses Wrote:  Ranking all of them objectively is pretty well impossible at this point. I will say placing UT at #5 is almost generous at this point. As for North Texas, there's a case to put them anywhere between 8 and 11.

+1 Although I think that 8-12 is pretty much a tie, there isn't enough information out there just yet. Next couple of weeks should provide some separation however.

(09-08-2013 07:49 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 02:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 01:46 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 12:18 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  My rankings after Week2

1. Texas A&M (2-0)-east win over a very good FCS team... and Manziel is still a jerk
2. Baylor (2-0)-could win the Big 12 this season
3. Texas Tech (2-0)-easy win over an FCS team
4. TCU (1-1)-not so easy win over an FCS team
5. Texas (1-1)-bad loss to BYU on national T.V.
6. Rice (0-1)-bye week
7. Houston (2-0)-good second half against Temple
8. North Texas/ UTSA (both 1-1)-some good, some bad,... lots of unknowns
10. SMU (1-1)-ugly win over a good FCS team, 10K in attendance... WOW!
11. UTEP (0-1)-lost at home to the team UTSA beat on the road last week
12. Texas State (2-0)-if they play someone and they might move up

You must think Texas State really, really sucks.

I have no idea. I have yet to see them face a decent team.

Nice dude. I am looking forward to the USM-UNT game because you will sure be eating if you lose. So why should your contest against a likely winless Idaho warrant #8 ranking?

Don't pay any attention to him. He is a hater and jealous of Texas State for some reason. I think USM is going to shut him up.

(09-09-2013 08:23 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:49 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 02:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 01:46 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 12:18 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  My rankings after Week2

1. Texas A&M (2-0)-east win over a very good FCS team... and Manziel is still a jerk
2. Baylor (2-0)-could win the Big 12 this season
3. Texas Tech (2-0)-easy win over an FCS team
4. TCU (1-1)-not so easy win over an FCS team
5. Texas (1-1)-bad loss to BYU on national T.V.
6. Rice (0-1)-bye week
7. Houston (2-0)-good second half against Temple
8. North Texas/ UTSA (both 1-1)-some good, some bad,... lots of unknowns
10. SMU (1-1)-ugly win over a good FCS team, 10K in attendance... WOW!
11. UTEP (0-1)-lost at home to the team UTSA beat on the road last week
12. Texas State (2-0)-if they play someone and they might move up

You must think Texas State really, really sucks.

I have no idea. I have yet to see them face a decent team.

Nice dude. I am looking forward to the USM-UNT game because you will sure be eating if you lose. So why should your contest against a likely winless Idaho warrant #8 ranking?

Don't pay any attention to him. He is a hater and jealous of Texas State for some reason. I think USM is going to shut him up.

Nobody's jealous of Texas state. Not even A&M Commerce. ****** attendance (-minus 1 game that was half filled by Tech fans), terrible academics, reputation, boring as hell city, high school stadium, ugly logo, generic mascot, terrible font, terrible athletically, etc.

But y'all have a river. So there's that.

Also, Southern Miss is going to be destroyed by UNT. You can make stuff up for so long. But good luck in the FCSBC with all those Texas teams and powerhouses like Georgia State.

(09-09-2013 09:12 AM)meangreener Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 08:23 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:49 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 02:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 01:46 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  You must think Texas State really, really sucks.

I have no idea. I have yet to see them face a decent team.

Nice dude. I am looking forward to the USM-UNT game because you will sure be eating if you lose. So why should your contest against a likely winless Idaho warrant #8 ranking?

Don't pay any attention to him. He is a hater and jealous of Texas State for some reason. I think USM is going to shut him up.

Nobody's jealous of Texas state. Not even A&M Commerce. ****** attendance (-minus 1 game that was half filled by Tech fans), terrible academics, reputation, boring as hell city, high school stadium, ugly logo, generic mascot, terrible font, terrible athletically, etc.

But y'all have a river. So there's that.

Also, Southern Miss is going to be destroyed by UNT. You can make stuff up for so long. But good luck in the FCSBC with all those Texas teams and powerhouses like Georgia State.

font smack? wtff?!?!?

destroyed, huh? I'm filing this one away. if there is a single southern miss survivor after october 26, this one is coming back at you.

(09-08-2013 01:46 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 12:18 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  My rankings after Week2

1. Texas A&M (2-0)-east win over a very good FCS team... and Manziel is still a jerk
2. Baylor (2-0)-could win the Big 12 this season
3. Texas Tech (2-0)-easy win over an FCS team
4. TCU (1-1)-not so easy win over an FCS team
5. Texas (1-1)-bad loss to BYU on national T.V.
6. Rice (0-1)-bye week
7. Houston (2-0)-good second half against Temple
8. North Texas/ UTSA (both 1-1)-some good, some bad,... lots of unknowns
10. SMU (1-1)-ugly win over a good FCS team, 10K in attendance... WOW!
11. UTEP (0-1)-lost at home to the team UTSA beat on the road last week
12. Texas State (2-0)-if they play someone and they might move up

You must think Texas State really, really sucks.

I'm pretty sure we could finish the season undefeated and some UNT fans would find a reason to put us at 12.

(09-09-2013 08:23 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:49 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 02:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 01:46 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 12:18 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  My rankings after Week2

1. Texas A&M (2-0)-east win over a very good FCS team... and Manziel is still a jerk
2. Baylor (2-0)-could win the Big 12 this season
3. Texas Tech (2-0)-easy win over an FCS team
4. TCU (1-1)-not so easy win over an FCS team
5. Texas (1-1)-bad loss to BYU on national T.V.
6. Rice (0-1)-bye week
7. Houston (2-0)-good second half against Temple
8. North Texas/ UTSA (both 1-1)-some good, some bad,... lots of unknowns
10. SMU (1-1)-ugly win over a good FCS team, 10K in attendance... WOW!
11. UTEP (0-1)-lost at home to the team UTSA beat on the road last week
12. Texas State (2-0)-if they play someone and they might move up

You must think Texas State really, really sucks.

I have no idea. I have yet to see them face a decent team.

Nice dude. I am looking forward to the USM-UNT game because you will sure be eating if you lose. So why should your contest against a likely winless Idaho warrant #8 ranking?

Don't pay any attention to him. He is a hater and jealous of Texas State for some reason. I think USM is going to shut him up.

You are always claiming that folks from North Texas hate and are jealous of Texas State. Texas State is seldom mentioned or even thought of by Mean Green fans. Seems that YOU are the one that is always running all over the net posting the hate and jealousy stuff and going on and on like a broken record.

(09-09-2013 09:12 AM)meangreener Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 08:23 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:49 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 02:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 01:46 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  You must think Texas State really, really sucks.

I have no idea. I have yet to see them face a decent team.

Nice dude. I am looking forward to the USM-UNT game because you will sure be eating if you lose. So why should your contest against a likely winless Idaho warrant #8 ranking?

Don't pay any attention to him. He is a hater and jealous of Texas State for some reason. I think USM is going to shut him up.

Nobody's jealous of Texas state. Not even A&M Commerce. ****** attendance (-minus 1 game that was half filled by Tech fans), terrible academics, reputation, boring as hell city, high school stadium, ugly logo, generic mascot, terrible font, terrible athletically, etc.

But y'all have a river. So there's that.

Also, Southern Miss is going to be destroyed by UNT. You can make stuff up for so long. But good luck in the FCSBC with all those Texas teams and powerhouses like Georgia State.

. . . and you're throwing a lot rocks for a guy who's school nickname is precariously close to one of the few words in the english language that can't ever be uttered.

(09-09-2013 09:40 AM)EagleX Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 09:12 AM)meangreener Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 08:23 AM)Cat79 Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 07:49 PM)YouCanUseaMint Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 02:09 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I have no idea. I have yet to see them face a decent team.

Nice dude. I am looking forward to the USM-UNT game because you will sure be eating if you lose. So why should your contest against a likely winless Idaho warrant #8 ranking?

Don't pay any attention to him. He is a hater and jealous of Texas State for some reason. I think USM is going to shut him up.

Nobody's jealous of Texas state. Not even A&M Commerce. ****** attendance (-minus 1 game that was half filled by Tech fans), terrible academics, reputation, boring as hell city, high school stadium, ugly logo, generic mascot, terrible font, terrible athletically, etc.

But y'all have a river. So there's that.

Also, Southern Miss is going to be destroyed by UNT. You can make stuff up for so long. But good luck in the FCSBC with all those Texas teams and powerhouses like Georgia State.

. . . and you're throwing a lot rocks for a guy who's school nickname is precariously close to one of the few words in the english language that can't ever be uttered.

it got better when the pre-etc word was "athletically" that was preceded by "logo", "mascot", "high school", and my fave..."font" Holy Shite!

Ron White said right.....

1. Texas A&M (2-0), W Sam Houston 65-28
Still just a placeholder. Defense needs to improve tremendously in the next five days.

2. Baylor (2-0), W Buffalo 70-13
Wow, just wow. Yeah it's just Buffalo, but wow.

3. TCU (1-1), W SE Louisiana 38-13
Go Frogs! Beat Directional FCS!

4. Texas Tech (2-0), W 61-13 Stephen F Austin
Why is Tech playing the Lumberjacks?

5. Rice (0-1), Bye
Sometimes you move forward by standing still.

6. Houston (2-0), W @Temple 22-13
They beat the Owls, but the wrong Owls.

7. Texas (1-1), L @BYU 40-21
Do I even need to comment?

8. SMU (1-1), W Montana State 31-30
If you're going to schedule FCS teams, make sure you don't have to pull out a come from behind last second victory. Attendance: 10,107

9. North Texas (1-1), L @Ohio 27-21
I did not even notice.

10. Texas State (2-0), W Prairie View 28-3
SWTexas needs to drop SWAC opponents if they want to be taken seriously.

11. UTEP (0-1), L New Mexico 42-35
Open the season a week late and lose at home, not good.

12. UTSA(1-1), L Oklahoma State 56-35
28 late points for the Roadrunners after the place clears out can't cover up this beat down

7-4 for the state

what you are seeing here is a mind set that has been developed by a large portion of north Texas state fans over the years

it comes from a ready made and often repeated set of excuses for sucking at pretty much everything for decades and the methods to deal with that and rationalize it

it is "SMU kept us out of the SWC" even though former SMU coach and former north Texas state AD and coach Hayden Fry says in his own book that SMU was open to north Texas state being in the SWC and did not block them joining and he also expressed appreciation that SMU scheduled them for some football games while he was there

then it is "SMU and TCU and others only play us when we are bad" while SMU has played north Texas state 33 times and TCU has played north Texas state 18 times

101 seasons of north Texas state football - 15 years in D1-AA and 3 years not played during WWII = 83 seasons

take out 2 seasons when SMU had the death penalty and did not play football = 81 seasons

81/33 = 2.4545 so SMU has played north Texas state on average every 2.46 seasons and for TCU every 4.6 and they have never been in the same conference and SMU and TCU have each others as rivals and also played for a number of years in a pretty much all Texas conference......but yea somehow they have "avoided north Texas state" or "only managed to play when north Texas state is bad"

then it was the "we played in a conference way out west where we were the only Texas team".......never mind that LaTech played way out west as the only Louisiana team and had success and TCU played out west as the only Texas team and had great success

then it was "we are the only Texas team in the Sunbelt"........never mind that UTEP had some good years as the only Texas team in the WAC and again TCU played as the only Texas team in their conference on purpose

then it was "SMU took our spot in CUSA and SMU blocks us from CUSA"

then it was "the stajium keeps the fans from showing up"

now it is "we need to win for the fans to show up"

and of course "a new stajium will get better teams to come here"

and of course "with Texas teams the fans will show up" (never mind the inability to sell out the first game in the new football todge mahaul with two ponds and a bridge when UH (a Texas team) came to play for the first game in the new stajium)

so now with the excuses running thin and getting tired they are faced with UTSA still bringing large amounts of fans, Texas State selling out their stajium for their first game, UTSA getting quality opponents to come to their stajium, Texas State beating UH for a win that got talked about and UTSA getting right into CUSA

so now north Texas state still unable to see the reality of the failures of the program and why clings to the mantra that others are responsible for their numerous failures and inadequacies and part of clinging to that is the belief that they can now do the same to others like UTSA and Texas State if they repeat the same BS that north Texas state fans have clung to like Texas State will be on an island as the only Texas team or UTSA will have 5,000 fans when they start losing

ignoring of course that Texas State expanded their stajium twice before they even moved up to D1-A instead of waiting 17 seasons to do so and ignoring that UTSA still has a hell of a lot of fans to lose/run off before they get down to the level of north Texas State and both of those programs voted to max out student fees and then actually did so to support athletics

so what you see here is north Texas state fans clinging to the last of their excuses and in desperation hoping that they can verbally hold others back they way they have convinced themselves that others have held them back while ignoring the futility of that and the obvious failures of that thinking and the outright repudiation of those beliefs by credible sources and by the success of other programs facing similar situations

desperation at it's finest when all your excuses and all your beliefs about those excuses and your situation all crash down in reality

(09-09-2013 10:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  12. UTSA(1-1), L Oklahoma State 56-35
28 late points for the Roadrunners after the place clears out can't cover up this beat down

7-4 for the state

I like that you put thought into your Texas 12 rankings. There seems to be this rumor that UTSA ran up 28 points on the OSU waterboy, equip manager and drum major on the field of play.

Mike Gundy goes on record to say that he put his starters back in at 12:15 in the fourth quarter because he saw UTSA moving it.

I'm ok with understimating UTSA,...it's rampant on messageboards, but mitigating a good 4th quarter is fodder for the masses on par with pig slop. Everyone seems to be eating it up without real analaysis.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...796013.php

"Gundy surrounded backup quarterback Clint Chelf with his starting lineup to help stem the tide after UTSA's one-play scoring drive pulled them within 42-21 with 12:15 left. The No. 13 Cowboys responded with a quick touchdown that put the game on ice."

(09-09-2013 10:51 AM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  I like that you put thought into your Texas 12 rankings. There seems to be this rumor that UTSA ran up 28 points on the OSU waterboy, equip manager and drum major on the field of play.

Mike Gundy goes on record to say that he put his starters back in at 12:15 in the fourth quarter because he saw UTSA moving it.

I'm ok with understimating UTSA,...it's rampant on messageboards, but mitigating a good 4th quarter is fodder for the masses on par with pig slop. Everyone seems to be eating it up without real analaysis.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...796013.php

"Gundy surrounded backup quarterback Clint Chelf with his starting lineup to help stem the tide after UTSA's one-play scoring drive pulled them within 42-21 with 12:15 left. The No. 13 Cowboys responded with a quick touchdown that put the game on ice."

He has UTEP and TXST ranked higher than us....at this point I don't agree with that at all. UTEP lost to UNM who we beat. And TXST barely got by winless USM, and only put up 28 pts against PrairieView A&M.

(09-09-2013 11:06 AM)JagRunner Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 10:51 AM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  I like that you put thought into your Texas 12 rankings. There seems to be this rumor that UTSA ran up 28 points on the OSU waterboy, equip manager and drum major on the field of play.

Mike Gundy goes on record to say that he put his starters back in at 12:15 in the fourth quarter because he saw UTSA moving it.

I'm ok with understimating UTSA,...it's rampant on messageboards, but mitigating a good 4th quarter is fodder for the masses on par with pig slop. Everyone seems to be eating it up without real analaysis.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...796013.php

"Gundy surrounded backup quarterback Clint Chelf with his starting lineup to help stem the tide after UTSA's one-play scoring drive pulled them within 42-21 with 12:15 left. The No. 13 Cowboys responded with a quick touchdown that put the game on ice."

He has UTEP and TXST ranked higher than us....at this point I don't agree with that at all. UTEP lost to UNM who we beat. And TXST barely got by winless USM, and only put up 28 pts against PrairieView A&M.

I didn't say he put good thought, just that he put thought. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion; ill-informed or not.

(09-09-2013 10:51 AM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 10:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  12. UTSA(1-1), L Oklahoma State 56-35
28 late points for the Roadrunners after the place clears out can't cover up this beat down

7-4 for the state

I like that you put thought into your Texas 12 rankings. There seems to be this rumor that UTSA ran up 28 points on the OSU waterboy, equip manager and drum major on the field of play.

Mike Gundy goes on record to say that he put his starters back in at 12:15 in the fourth quarter because he saw UTSA moving it.

I'm ok with understimating UTSA,...it's rampant on messageboards, but mitigating a good 4th quarter is fodder for the masses on par with pig slop. Everyone seems to be eating it up without real analaysis.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...796013.php

"Gundy surrounded backup quarterback Clint Chelf with his starting lineup to help stem the tide after UTSA's one-play scoring drive pulled them within 42-21 with 12:15 left. The No. 13 Cowboys responded with a quick touchdown that put the game on ice."

I'm giving UTSA credit. I thought that OSU pulled everyone and they didn't. They're better than I expected. Well, Soza, at least.

(09-09-2013 10:51 AM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 10:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  12. UTSA(1-1), L Oklahoma State 56-35
28 late points for the Roadrunners after the place clears out can't cover up this beat down

7-4 for the state

I like that you put thought into your Texas 12 rankings. There seems to be this rumor that UTSA ran up 28 points on the OSU waterboy, equip manager and drum major on the field of play.

Mike Gundy goes on record to say that he put his starters back in at 12:15 in the fourth quarter because he saw UTSA moving it.

I'm ok with understimating UTSA,...it's rampant on messageboards, but mitigating a good 4th quarter is fodder for the masses on par with pig slop. Everyone seems to be eating it up without real analaysis.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...796013.php

"Gundy surrounded backup quarterback Clint Chelf with his starting lineup to help stem the tide after UTSA's one-play scoring drive pulled them within 42-21 with 12:15 left. The No. 13 Cowboys responded with a quick touchdown that put the game on ice."

I don't think I was your ranking and reasoning. Just here to snipe?

(09-09-2013 12:05 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 10:51 AM)El Dirtybird Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 10:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  12. UTSA(1-1), L Oklahoma State 56-35
28 late points for the Roadrunners after the place clears out can't cover up this beat down

7-4 for the state

I like that you put thought into your Texas 12 rankings. There seems to be this rumor that UTSA ran up 28 points on the OSU waterboy, equip manager and drum major on the field of play.

Mike Gundy goes on record to say that he put his starters back in at 12:15 in the fourth quarter because he saw UTSA moving it.

I'm ok with understimating UTSA,...it's rampant on messageboards, but mitigating a good 4th quarter is fodder for the masses on par with pig slop. Everyone seems to be eating it up without real analaysis.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/colle...796013.php

"Gundy surrounded backup quarterback Clint Chelf with his starting lineup to help stem the tide after UTSA's one-play scoring drive pulled them within 42-21 with 12:15 left. The No. 13 Cowboys responded with a quick touchdown that put the game on ice."

I don't think I was your ranking and reasoning. Just here to refute with evidence?

Yep.
I still stand by my statement that you are entitled to your opinion. I don't begrudge your points. If anything, I enjoy alot of your posts.

1. Texas A&M >
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2. Baylor
3. TCU
4. Texas Tech
5. Texas (This is freaking pathetic. Mack is gone after this season)
6. Rice
7. Houston
8. North Texas
9. UTSA
10. SMU
11. UTEP
12. Texas State

SMU attendance was 15,107. The original 10,107 was a typo. Still not great, but better.

1. Baylor
2. A&M
3. TCU
4. Texas
5. Rice
6. Tejas Tech
7. UTSA
8. Houston
9. Texas State
10. North Texas
11. SMU
12. UTEP

He has UTEP and TXST ranked higher than us....at this point I don't agree with that at all. UTEP lost to UNM who we beat. And TXST barely got by winless USM, and only put up 28 pts against PrairieView A&M.
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I agree with your assessment that your team is better than ours. But the final conclusion will be in two weeks. Hopefully, our defense can catch up with our offense. But so far (gulp, I can't say it, it's killing me) Ootsa is better.

Texas State, we'll never know for sure.