JHG722
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RE: College Sports Madness Top 144 Countdown
(09-01-2013 06:40 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: (09-01-2013 06:23 PM)JHG722 Wrote: (09-01-2013 08:31 AM)Melky Cabrera Wrote: (09-01-2013 08:16 AM)JHG722 Wrote: Prepare to be shocked. If anything, based on history, they undervalued us. Who is going to replace the other players? The players we have returning and incoming obviously.
PG Cummings returns
SG DeCosey replaces Wyatt
SF Pepper replaces Randall
F Dingle replaces Hollis-Jefferson
F/C Lee returns
Josh Brown backs up Cummings and DeCosey. Mark Williams backs up Dingle. Watson backs up Lee. It's only 8 deep, but we're almost never over 8 deep anyway. If we go small with Cummings, DeCosey, Brown, we're talking elite level defense and a big upgrade over Wyatt in that regard.
Agree that the team will be fine with Cummings and Lee coming back. I'm very high on Lee.
But seriously who's ready to step up for Wyatt? And Who's going to replace O'Brien? He was the team's only decent 3-point shooter. And who's going to do the job on the boards that Hollis-Jefferson and Randall did.
Of course there will be players who step in and take the place of those who have left, but by putting up the names you did, you've just defined the problem. DeCosey (7 mpg, 28 ganes), Pepper (11 mpg, 29 games), and Dingle (4 mpg, 10 games) are going to have to step in and play starters minutes with very little experience under their belts. None of them were big time recruits who have just been waiting for their turn to step into the starting lineup.
If those guys are the best, you have to offer, then you're in trouble at least in terms of being a tournament contender.
Not trying to be hard on you guys. Just being realistic.
DeCosey will replace Wyatt. Lee will improve his rebound totals and Dingle will pick up where our forwards left off.
You know who else wasn't a big time recruit? Wyatt. You know who else? Dionte Christmas. DeCosey and Dingle were much more heralded than both of them. DeCosey had offers from Penn State, West Virginia, and VA Tech amongst others. Dingle had offers from Arizona, Auburn, UC, Dayton, Iowa State, Rutgers, Seton Hall, St. John's, UVA, VA Tech, WVU, Xavier, etc. Dingle was a 4* recruit on Scout and a top 150 recruit on Rivals.
If you say so . . .
Frankly I think you're setting yourself up for a big disappointment. The fact that Wyatt could come out of nowhere to become a star means absolutely nothing about anyone else's chances to do the same. If anyone could do that, then we'd see schools that recruit 2* players turning out stars all the time. But it doesn't happen.
I don't care how many schools recruited Dingle or how many stars he earned whether it was 3* on Rivals or 4* on Scout. Do you realize what you're asking of this kid? He's only a sophomore. He played in only 10 games last year and averaged less than 4 mpg when he did play. The coach who knew him best last year decided that he wasn't ready for prime time. If he had been, he would have played more. A player doesn't go from not being ready to a major contributor over night. He obviously still needs more time to develop. An increased role? Sure. Major contributor on a tournament team? No.
Even with that, you're ignoring the fact that it's not just about replacing the starters. O'Brien was a major contributor last year off the bench. Who's going to replace him?
This team is thin on both talent and experience. They won"t win games just because it says "Temple" on their jerseys.
If you knew anything, you'd know Dunphy rarely plays freshmen. It's not necessarily a testament to their skill level or readiness. Lavoy Allen and Juan Fernandez are really the only freshman that ever played a lot.
2008 leading scorer Dionte Christmas:
FR: 3.5 PPG (11.3 MPG)
SO: 20 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 2.1 APG (34.3 MPG)
2012 second leading scorer Scootie Randall:
Barely played his first two years.
FR: 1.2 PPG
SO: 1.9 PPG (7 MPG)
JR: 10.7 PPG, 4.7 RPG (30.3 MPG)
2010 & 2011 leading scorer Ramone Moore:
FR: 4.5 PPG, 2.3 RPG as 8th man (13.2 MPG)
SO: 7.6 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 1.5 APG (18 MPG)
JR: 15.2 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 3.1 APG (33.9 MPG)
2012 leading scorer Khalif Wyatt:
FR: 1.9 MPG
SO: 10.1 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.7 APG (20.7 MPG)
JR: 17.1 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 3.3 APG (33 MPG)
2009 second leading scorer Juan Fernandez:
FR: 5.5 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 2.7 APG (19.6 MPG)
SO: 12.6, 2.4 RPG, 3.6 APG (31.6 MPG)
So 3 of our last 4 season leading scorers played 1.9, 11.3, and 13.2 minutes per game their freshman year. Look at the jump when all of our best players played 20+ MPG.
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