Just like Banowsky gets way too much blame for what's gone down in realignment (going back to 2.0), Aresco is getting grilled for what he can't control. Banowsky's strength is not just his relationships and experience, but he's honest (that's a relative term for the position of Conference Commissioner). He is straight up to his schools and, most importantly, straight up about his schools...he just knows how to highlight strengths and frame weaknesses as irrelevant to whatever subject is being addressed (Talking about UAB? "Attendance doesn't matter when you look at the potential of being in the #1 college football market in the nation." Talking about ECU? "Attendance is proof of one of the most devoted fan bases outside of the Cartel.")

Aresco was hired by the Jurich Mafia because he is willing to tell the schools what they want to hear and sell the talking points they agree on...whether they are true or not. The real blunder of the last round of realignment is that the new AAC schools bought what Aresco was being told to sell. And, to make it worse, they bought it when more than a few of his previous points had already been shown to be vaporware (which is why anyone expressing disappointment and/or outrage about him now is so ironic). It's certainly true that you can create the perception you want by simply repeating your point over and over again, louder and louder every time. But it doesn't work if you clearly don't believe what's coming out of your mouth, and Aresco just doesn't have the voice, vocabulary, or body language of a believer.

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

Again, playing in a bowl game against a bottom rung P5 program is way overrated. Lets be honest, you AAC guys have continually tried to talk and convince yourselves that you're in a better situation now than you were in CUSA. You say USM and Rice would leave in a heartbeat for the AAC if they were invited. Why would you leave for a conference that:

1. Failed miserably at securing a TV deal that was suppose to bring at least 13 mil or more per team

2. No stability. UConn, USF, and UC don't believe they are currently with like minded programs which is why they are a phone call away from busting loose from the AAC.

3. Is all hype and no substance. Boise figured that out which is why they return to the MWC and was willing to pay 5 mil to exit the AAC.

4. Has just been a total embarrassment on a national level.

The AAC situation is f'd up! You guys don't know whether you're going or coming. Meanwhile, CUSA is just handling business and making it do what it do. If things were going so well for the AAC, your posters wouldn't be here trying to convince us otherwise. Things in the AAC will get better once they realize who they really are and stop trying position themselves into something they are not.

I'm happy CUSA has bowl tie ins. Way better than MAC/SBC bowl tie ins. But to call losing 3 aq bowl team tie ins and only having 1 p5 rotating one a success is short sighted. Destination bowls or not... the bowls have smaller payouts and will have less national exposure than before.

AAC's sucky bowl situation is bad. CUSAs is bad. But at least we have bowls I guess. But is that really hard to find now adays?

(08-21-2013 02:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I'm happy CUSA has bowl tie ins. Way better than MAC/SBC bowl tie ins. But to call losing 3 aq bowl team tie ins and only having 1 p5 rotating one a success is short sighted.

Short sighted is not paying attention to your surroundings. It is obvious the P-5 have position themselves into playing each other in the high profile meaningful bowl games leaving the scraps to the G-5.

Now you can try to beg your way to being a back-up for one those P-5 bowl games (like the AAC has tried to do) or you can simply make the best of a situation. CUSA did the latter and still gain a bowl with a million dollar payout per team, became a backup conference for the Indy, and still maintained six bowl tie-ins with supposedly weaker teams.

AAC haters gonna hate and that's fine. But CUSA can move on and start the football season while AAC fans will still be bit*hing about, bowl games, when USF, UConn, and UC are leaving, their sorry azz commish, b-ball games being sublicensed to CBSSN, and etc.

(08-21-2013 02:28 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

Again, playing in a bowl game against a bottom rung P5 program is way overrated. Lets be honest, you AAC guys have continually tried to talk and convince yourselves that you're in a better situation now than you were in CUSA. You say USM and Rice would leave in a heartbeat for the AAC if they were invited. Why would you leave for a conference that:

1. Failed miserably at securing a TV deal that was suppose to bring at least 13 mil or more per team

2. No stability. UConn, USF, and UC don't believe they are currently with like minded programs which is why they are a phone call away from busting loose from the AAC.

3. Is all hype and no substance. Boise figured that out which is why they return to the MWC and was willing to pay 5 mil to exit the AAC.

4. Has just been a total embarrassment on a national level.

The AAC situation is f'd up! You guys don't know whether you're going or coming. Meanwhile, CUSA is just handling business and making it do what it do. If things were going so well for the AAC, your posters wouldn't be here trying to convince us otherwise. Things in the AAC will get better once they realize who they really are and stop trying position themselves into something they are not.

Look at what CUSA had before and look at what you have now. CUSA had established bowls before and the league retained some; but lost the most established one. No worries though Banowsky and his buddies created a couple of new games during their league bowling night last week. The Bahamas?

I think the real winner here will be the MAC and the Sun Belt, but especially the MAC; because they only had about 3 bowl tie ins last time. Before this is over, they might end up with as many as CUSA.

BTW, a league commissioner has to create a bunch of crappy bowl games when they know that they almost have no shot at an access bowl. The MAC and Sun Belt Conference are doing the same thing.

(08-21-2013 05:24 AM)TU 1978 Wrote:  Bano forgot to mention the toilet bowl tie in.

Any bowl that features a cusa mac matchup deserves that title.

Fine institutions like tulsa normally have intelligent alumni. So, which parent is it who brought you up a tulsa fan?

(08-21-2013 07:25 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm not jealous of anything C-USA did, I'm happy for you guys, but I'm flat out disgusted and furious at that lying piece of **** Aresco. He's a worthless piece of trash who does not deserve to be employed by a D2 league much less an FBS league. Karl Benson laughs in his general direction.

The sad truth for you and yours is that Banowsky also rightfully laughs toward Aresco's general direction.

(08-21-2013 07:29 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 07:19 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  it seems like most of the defectors have nothing better to do than bash conf usa. Not like they moved up to SEC or something. I think both conf's have chance to be good and improve I just dont understand the constant bashing by them.

Agree here. And regardless of what happens with the next C-USA television contract, dollars for Rice, Marshall, UTEP, Southern Miss and UAB will not go down because of Banowsky's exit agreements with the AAC defectors.

Well, full disclosure.....that's a five year fix. With the current contract not being lowered that counts for the first two. NEXT contract only keeps ours steady for the first three years with uh, ecu, memphis, et.al. picking up the tab if need be. Personally, I don't think there will be a need.

(08-21-2013 02:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:28 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

Again, playing in a bowl game against a bottom rung P5 program is way overrated. Lets be honest, you AAC guys have continually tried to talk and convince yourselves that you're in a better situation now than you were in CUSA. You say USM and Rice would leave in a heartbeat for the AAC if they were invited. Why would you leave for a conference that:

1. Failed miserably at securing a TV deal that was suppose to bring at least 13 mil or more per team

2. No stability. UConn, USF, and UC don't believe they are currently with like minded programs which is why they are a phone call away from busting loose from the AAC.

3. Is all hype and no substance. Boise figured that out which is why they return to the MWC and was willing to pay 5 mil to exit the AAC.

4. Has just been a total embarrassment on a national level.

The AAC situation is f'd up! You guys don't know whether you're going or coming. Meanwhile, CUSA is just handling business and making it do what it do. If things were going so well for the AAC, your posters wouldn't be here trying to convince us otherwise. Things in the AAC will get better once they realize who they really are and stop trying position themselves into something they are not.

Look at what CUSA had before and look at what you have now. CUSA had established bowls before and the league retained some; but lost the most established one. No worries though Banowsky and his buddies created a couple of new games during their league bowling night last week. The Bahamas?

I think the real winner here will be the MAC and the Sun Belt, but especially the MAC; because they only had about 3 bowl tie ins last time. Before this is over, they might end up with as many as CUSA.

BTW, a league commissioner has to create a bunch of crappy bowl games when they know that they almost have no shot at an access bowl. The MAC and Sun Belt Conference are doing the same thing.

whats your commish doing

(08-21-2013 02:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Look at what CUSA had before and look at what you have now. CUSA had established bowls before and the league retained some; but lost the most established one. No worries though Banowsky and his buddies created a couple of new games during their league bowling night last week. The Bahamas?

I think the real winner here will be the MAC and the Sun Belt, but especially the MAC; because they only had about 3 bowl tie ins last time. Before this is over, they might end up with as many as CUSA.

BTW, a league commissioner has to create a bunch of crappy bowl games when they know that they almost have no shot at an access bowl. The MAC and Sun Belt Conference are doing the same thing.

He's an angry elf

(08-21-2013 07:57 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:00 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  The same way CUSA improved the TV contract when CUSA lost Cincy, USF and Louisville. The TV contact CUSA 1.0 had was 7.9 million or 890K per team from ESPN. The new TV contract with CUSA 2.0 was 14 million (7 million from Fox, 7 million from CSTV) or 1.17 million.

Inflation from the time the first deal was signed, more TV stations needing product, etc. This was not a surprise really.

Hmmm - don't both of those factors come in to play in the next round of C-USA negotiations?

(08-21-2013 02:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Look at what CUSA had before and look at what you have now.

Looks pretty good to me. We can play this game all day. CUSA 1.0, CUSA 2.0. End of the day, CUSA is good to go.

(08-21-2013 11:19 AM)Bulldogs145 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 07:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 07:27 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  No one is bashing CUSA in this thread. Stop trying to pick fights.

Exactly I think C-USA has done an amazing job, and Aresco should be tared and feathered. I believe C-USA is absolutely getting the max out of the assets it currently has and Aresco might be getting the least possible out of them.

The old Big East schools have been saying the same thing for years. He oversaw the destruction of the entire conference. Your school knew what it was getting into.

ssshhhhhhh - either hush, look up stuff or pretend like you're with the aaaaack conference. Aresco has been commish of the b/e - aaaack for 1 year and 1 week.

(08-21-2013 03:31 PM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:28 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

Again, playing in a bowl game against a bottom rung P5 program is way overrated. Lets be honest, you AAC guys have continually tried to talk and convince yourselves that you're in a better situation now than you were in CUSA. You say USM and Rice would leave in a heartbeat for the AAC if they were invited. Why would you leave for a conference that:

1. Failed miserably at securing a TV deal that was suppose to bring at least 13 mil or more per team

2. No stability. UConn, USF, and UC don't believe they are currently with like minded programs which is why they are a phone call away from busting loose from the AAC.

3. Is all hype and no substance. Boise figured that out which is why they return to the MWC and was willing to pay 5 mil to exit the AAC.

4. Has just been a total embarrassment on a national level.

The AAC situation is f'd up! You guys don't know whether you're going or coming. Meanwhile, CUSA is just handling business and making it do what it do. If things were going so well for the AAC, your posters wouldn't be here trying to convince us otherwise. Things in the AAC will get better once they realize who they really are and stop trying position themselves into something they are not.

Look at what CUSA had before and look at what you have now. CUSA had established bowls before and the league retained some; but lost the most established one. No worries though Banowsky and his buddies created a couple of new games during their league bowling night last week. The Bahamas?

I think the real winner here will be the MAC and the Sun Belt, but especially the MAC; because they only had about 3 bowl tie ins last time. Before this is over, they might end up with as many as CUSA.

BTW, a league commissioner has to create a bunch of crappy bowl games when they know that they almost have no shot at an access bowl. The MAC and Sun Belt Conference are doing the same thing.

whats your commish doing

Bottom line is we are happy with our bowl situation and never expected it to turn out this well loosing alot of teams Fans of the AAC are not happy with your commish so you come over and bash us for being happy and tell us our bowls suck etc.

(08-20-2013 11:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  He didn't improve them. They are worse than before. Before CUSA had 3 bowls against Aq teams (OBE, SEC, and B10) now they have one (shared HOD/AFB). CUSA did well but not better than old cycle. They simply announced them faster.

nalgas duele

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:50 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:27 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Actually Boise State left because the MWC agreed to uneven revenue splitting, so that Boise could make the same money that they were going to receive under the AAC deal. San Diego State didn't want to leave at all, but once their western travel partner was gone the AAC and San Diego State knew that the relationship couldn't work; and if I recall correctly SDSU and the AAC had a mutual agreement that would allow them to leave and BSU laid the ground work for them to return to the MWC.

Pesky facts.

I was being rhetorical but thanks. Point still remains though, at this time, you guys are not getting what you signed-up for whereas those coming to C-USA are getting more than we ever expected.

Yes they are getting what they signed up for. UCF rather than FIU. USF rather than FAU.

I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

By and large C-USA fans are happy. Some are just content. A few are angry. As for aac fans, by and large the converse is true. Spin how you like. Make distinction between ucf and fiu (there is a little now, but ucf managed to jump up big in a short period of time ... I imagine both the F_U's will do the same). usf??? Really? They had maybe two good years - beyond that they are not any more than the F_U's are right now. Hell man, outside of the State of Florida I doubt more than 15% of the football fans nationwide can distinguish one from any other and it wouldn't surprise me if arguments broke out over which one of those four (none) is the team that made that wonderful cinderella run in this past years March Madness.

(08-21-2013 03:47 PM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 03:31 PM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 02:28 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

Again, playing in a bowl game against a bottom rung P5 program is way overrated. Lets be honest, you AAC guys have continually tried to talk and convince yourselves that you're in a better situation now than you were in CUSA. You say USM and Rice would leave in a heartbeat for the AAC if they were invited. Why would you leave for a conference that:

1. Failed miserably at securing a TV deal that was suppose to bring at least 13 mil or more per team

2. No stability. UConn, USF, and UC don't believe they are currently with like minded programs which is why they are a phone call away from busting loose from the AAC.

3. Is all hype and no substance. Boise figured that out which is why they return to the MWC and was willing to pay 5 mil to exit the AAC.

4. Has just been a total embarrassment on a national level.

The AAC situation is f'd up! You guys don't know whether you're going or coming. Meanwhile, CUSA is just handling business and making it do what it do. If things were going so well for the AAC, your posters wouldn't be here trying to convince us otherwise. Things in the AAC will get better once they realize who they really are and stop trying position themselves into something they are not.

Look at what CUSA had before and look at what you have now. CUSA had established bowls before and the league retained some; but lost the most established one. No worries though Banowsky and his buddies created a couple of new games during their league bowling night last week. The Bahamas?

I think the real winner here will be the MAC and the Sun Belt, but especially the MAC; because they only had about 3 bowl tie ins last time. Before this is over, they might end up with as many as CUSA.

BTW, a league commissioner has to create a bunch of crappy bowl games when they know that they almost have no shot at an access bowl. The MAC and Sun Belt Conference are doing the same thing.

whats your commish doing

Bottom line is we are happy with our bowl situation and never expected it to turn out this well loosing alot of teams Fans of the AAC are not happy with your commish so you come over and bash us for being happy and tell us our bowls suck etc.

First of all you quoted yourself. I hate when people do that; that is basically like talking to yourself in the third person.

Secondly, no one knows what the AAC commissioner is doing; so how can they say that they don't like him. All that I have ever heard the guy say was that a lot of the AAC basketball games would be nationally televised on the ESPN family of stations. Lo and behold to day a schedule was released showing that 90+ AAC games will be shown nationally and I am not even sure that includes all of the games that CBS sports purchased. Not to shabby.

http://theamerican.org/news/2013/8/21/MB...34423.aspx


Btw, the bowls no matter where they are suck. The MAC is the real winner here, because CUSA avoided them like the plague in previous bowl years; now they are CUSA's unofficial bro.

(08-21-2013 02:30 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  I'm happy CUSA has bowl tie ins. Way better than MAC/SBC bowl tie ins. But to call losing 3 aq bowl team tie ins and only having 1 p5 rotating one a success is short sighted. Destination bowls or not... the bowls have smaller payouts and will have less national exposure than before.

AAC's sucky bowl situation is bad. CUSAs is bad. But at least we have bowls I guess. But is that really hard to find now adays?

What happened? Your posts are almost exclusively coherent.

(08-21-2013 03:57 PM)WinOrLoseEAGLE Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 01:20 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:50 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-21-2013 12:27 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Actually Boise State left because the MWC agreed to uneven revenue splitting, so that Boise could make the same money that they were going to receive under the AAC deal. San Diego State didn't want to leave at all, but once their western travel partner was gone the AAC and San Diego State knew that the relationship couldn't work; and if I recall correctly SDSU and the AAC had a mutual agreement that would allow them to leave and BSU laid the ground work for them to return to the MWC.

Pesky facts.

I was being rhetorical but thanks. Point still remains though, at this time, you guys are not getting what you signed-up for whereas those coming to C-USA are getting more than we ever expected.

Yes they are getting what they signed up for. UCF rather than FIU. USF rather than FAU.

I guess folks coming to CUSA are getting more than they signed up for, but the schools that remained in CUSA are probably getting less than they originally had. There used to be games against BCS level games in quite a few of those bowl games, but I only see a couple now. It looks like the MAC is the biggest beneficiary in this stuff.

By and large C-USA fans are happy. Some are just content. A few are angry. As for aac fans, by and large the converse is true. Spin how you like. Make distinction between ucf and fiu (there is a little now, but ucf managed to jump up big in a short period of time ... I imagine both the F_U's will do the same). usf??? Really? They had maybe two good years - beyond that they are not any more than the F_U's are right now. Hell man, outside of the State of Florida I doubt more than 15% of the football fans nationwide can distinguish one from any other and it wouldn't surprise me if arguments broke out over which one of those four (none) is the team that made that wonderful cinderella run in this past years March Madness.

Fans on message boards are probably not the best source for determining what a Commissioner is or is not doing. So to say that Aresco is doing a bad job is really suspect, when most guys probably don't even know what his job is. Who in the World is crowing over these upstart bowl games anyway? They are all terrible games in half empty stadiums that no one outside of the immediate schools fan bases care or know anything about. Quickly and without looking it up; what schools played in the Music City Bowl last year?

so now your a freaking english teacher. Go over to your board and look at the bashing of your commish. And your conf usa's bro to no better off than any of the rest of the us. I know you wont admit it but it is what it is