(08-06-2013 04:56 AM)martini7777 Wrote:  Well if Aresco has any juice in him he is planning on what happens if there are scenarios where Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas leave and Big 12 collapses. I think then you have your Western Conference of AAC and add Boise, BYU and WV and you have a nice strong league. Then you become a P5.

correct... i stated it in another thread and nobody responded. AAC will be the 5 in P5 if big 12 is eaten. It will have around 24 teams too. (MWC, AAC, Big 12 leftovers)

(08-06-2013 03:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
SDSU

Definitely not a P5 conference.

It certainly is.. it will have double the teams though. This in my opinion was already negotiated with the new 12 yr contract. The money will be high but split with 24. which will be less per team. i predict half. And now the split is done. You have 88....

(08-06-2013 04:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 03:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
SDSU

Definitely not a P5 conference.

It certainly is.. it will have double the teams though.

IMO, if you think a conference with say Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida is going to agree to split playoff money evenly with a conference with that lineup, you are not thinking straight.

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Really? What P5 conference is going to let Texas get away with what they are getting away with now as far as keeping TV revenue? It's not like Boise who gets a better deal with the MWC. The Pac 12 won't allow Texas to keep TV revenues, nor will the BIG. Texas is going NOWHERE! If someone leaves the Big 12, they just replace them or get to 12 teams to get a championship game. Texas runs the Big 12.

(08-06-2013 10:49 AM)gotigersgo111111 Wrote:  Memphis needs a football team and they need it now.

No offense but academics will continue to be a hurdle for Memphis. The universities getting pulled up are all top tier schools.

(08-06-2013 10:49 AM)gotigersgo111111 Wrote:  Memphis needs a football team and they needed it 20 years ago.

FIFY

(08-06-2013 05:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 03:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
SDSU

Definitely not a P5 conference.

It certainly is.. it will have double the teams though.

IMO, if you think a conference with say Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida is going to agree to split playoff money evenly with a conference with that lineup, you are not thinking straight.

nice job listing the best teams from the best conference to prove your point...I could easily say I can see a conference with Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College, and NC St seeing this AAC/B12/MWC as worthy.

(08-06-2013 09:50 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 08:07 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I believe when this all settle down D4 will be a six (6) conference division of 16 teams each with no independents. D4 will have 96 teams.

Teams already in D4:

ACC (15) Notre Dame will play football here.
Big 10 (14)
SEC (14)
PAC 12
Big 12 (10)

The above teams will add 13 teams and the new conference to be named will add 16.

I believe 29 teams from the G5 will move up.

Interesting theory. Why 6x16, though? And is that a complete break from D1, or are there going to be non-football members of D4?

I think something like this may happen and rumblings of it are already apparent. I have heard rumor of a total number in the range of 80-85 schools however.

I also don't think this will be a complete break (that will be a last resort). It will be primarily for D1 (4) football and governance/voting structure. Other sports such as basketball will remain as is.

However, I don't know if anything will happen until the College Football Playoff contract expires in 12 years.

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Navy
UConn
Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno State
BYU
SDSU
Air Force

You are forgetting the service academies of Navy and Air Force. No way those two get left out (don't piss the Feds off). I don't know about Army (but if Navy and AF are in...).

Add BYU. UNLV could also be a consideration if they could get their FB act together. If UConn is available they are in.

(08-06-2013 07:43 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Navy
UConn
Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno State
BYU
SDSU
Air Force

You are forgetting the service academies of Navy and Air Force. No way those two get left out (don't piss the Feds off). I don't know about Army (but if Navy and AF are in...).

Add BYU. UNLV could also be a consideration if they could get their FB act together. If UConn is available they are in.

The academies won't pay their players. Not going to happen. They've backed off from major competition before and I think that might be the impetus to do it again. If D4 includes paying players a stipend, I think it's pretty safe to assume the academies are out.

(08-06-2013 08:00 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:43 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Navy
UConn
Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno State
BYU
SDSU
Air Force

You are forgetting the service academies of Navy and Air Force. No way those two get left out (don't piss the Feds off). I don't know about Army (but if Navy and AF are in...).

Add BYU. UNLV could also be a consideration if they could get their FB act together. If UConn is available they are in.

The academies won't pay their players. Not going to happen. They've backed off from major competition before and I think that might be the impetus to do it again. If D4 includes paying players a stipend, I think it's pretty safe to assume the academies are out.

That's interesting and something that I hadn't really thought about. They pay every other cadet/midshipman/etc. It's interesting that they wouldn't pay their athletes the same amount that the normal "attendees" get.

(08-06-2013 08:00 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 07:43 PM)SDSU-Alum2003 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 12:21 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  If Texas ever awakens from its kingmaker slumber and the B12 implodes, I could see UC, Houston, Memphis and one or both of USF and UCF joining forces with the remainders.

Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Navy
UConn
Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno State
BYU
SDSU
Air Force

You are forgetting the service academies of Navy and Air Force. No way those two get left out (don't piss the Feds off). I don't know about Army (but if Navy and AF are in...).

Add BYU. UNLV could also be a consideration if they could get their FB act together. If UConn is available they are in.

The academies won't pay their players. Not going to happen. They've backed off from major competition before and I think that might be the impetus to do it again. If D4 includes paying players a stipend, I think it's pretty safe to assume the academies are out.

I don't envision any scenario where the service academies are not part of the highest level of collegiate athletics. The military has about the largest alumni and fan base in the country and is a source of pride/morale for our service men and women world wide.

(08-06-2013 07:07 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 05:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 04:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 03:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 01:33 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  Or taking that one step further.. maybe the Big Mountain America 12 will form .

Baylor
Iowa St
Kansas St
TCU
Cinicnnati
Memphis
Houston
UCF
USF
Boise St
Fresno St
SDSU

Definitely not a P5 conference.

It certainly is.. it will have double the teams though.

IMO, if you think a conference with say Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida is going to agree to split playoff money evenly with a conference with that lineup, you are not thinking straight.

nice job listing the best teams from the best conference to prove your point...I could easily say I can see a conference with Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College, and NC St seeing this AAC/B12/MWC as worthy.

Would it make you feel better if i noted that Auburn, Texas A&M, South Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Vandy won't be willing to share playoff money with that lineup either?

And if the SEC won't go along with that, do you really think it will happen?

As for your example, you're wrong about that too. Why on earth would Wake Forest, BC, and Duke want to share equal playoff money with an AAC/MWC/dregs of B12 hybrid? Are you serious?

(08-06-2013 09:51 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  That's interesting and something that I hadn't really thought about. They pay every other cadet/midshipman/etc. It's interesting that they wouldn't pay their athletes the same amount that the normal "attendees" get.

The service academies are not going to allow their athletes a stipend above and beyond what their regular cadets/airmen/midshipmen get. And they don't need to, because anyone at a military academy is already on a full-ride that does reflect the overall total cost of attendance. The American taxpayer fully funds every military academy attendee.

(08-07-2013 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 09:51 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  That's interesting and something that I hadn't really thought about. They pay every other cadet/midshipman/etc. It's interesting that they wouldn't pay their athletes the same amount that the normal "attendees" get.

The service academies are not going to allow their athletes a stipend above and beyond what their regular cadets/airmen/midshipmen get. And they don't need to, because anyone at a military academy is already on a full-ride that does reflect the overall total cost of attendance. The American taxpayer fully funds every military academy attendee.

It didn't make sense that they weren't going to get the same pay that other cadets/midshipmen/etc would get.

(08-07-2013 10:56 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(08-07-2013 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-06-2013 09:51 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  That's interesting and something that I hadn't really thought about. They pay every other cadet/midshipman/etc. It's interesting that they wouldn't pay their athletes the same amount that the normal "attendees" get.

The service academies are not going to allow their athletes a stipend above and beyond what their regular cadets/airmen/midshipmen get. And they don't need to, because anyone at a military academy is already on a full-ride that does reflect the overall total cost of attendance. The American taxpayer fully funds every military academy attendee.

It didn't make sense that they weren't going to get the same pay that other cadets/midshipmen/etc would get.

Yep. All academy students, athletes or not, get the same pay.

So there is a PAC expansion rumor / BIG expansion rumor...

I am not sure what to believe. Is there even a landing spot or is this a constant cycle of change? I wonder how long we have in the AAC before change affects us?