(07-16-2013 09:35 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 09:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 04:39 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 04:33 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  I think the conferences will go like this in the future.

1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big XII
4. Big East
5. MWC
6. American
7. Pac-12
8. SEC
9. A10
10. C-USA

Homer pick much? No way is the MWC better than the American, and I'm not even sure why ESPN put CUSA in this poll. They are NR.

the mwc is vastly underrated. they had 5 teams make the tourny last year.

Didn't all of them crash & burn? I thought they were all out in the first round.

yeah pretty much, all though a lot of them were close games, and they got some bad breaks with the seeding

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

I think Tulsa should get the edge over Utah State. Tulsa has had coaches like Nolan Richardson, Bill Self and Tubby Smith. They have had 14 NCAA tournaments, including an Elite 8 and a bunch of Sweet 16's; and 9 NIT's.

Utah State has had quite a few invitations to the tournament as well, but they have not been as successful overall. In fact most of their success was in the 30's and 60's.

(07-16-2013 10:06 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

I think Tulsa should get the edge over Utah State. Tulsa has had coaches like Nolan Richardson, Bill Self and Tubby Smith. They have had 14 NCAA tournaments, including an Elite 8 and a bunch of Sweet 16's; and 9 NIT's.

Utah State has had quite a few invitations to the tournament as well, but they have not been as successful overall. In fact most of their success was in the 30's and 60's.

I honestly don't know, so I assumed that he was right to give him the benefit of the doubt.

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  Let's compare. We will both have 11 basketball teams 2014-present.

New Mexico-Memphis AAC
UNLV-Connecticut MWC
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC
Air Force-UCF Equal
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston MWC
Wyoming-Tulane MWC
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

Overall, yes the MWC is better than the AAC.

AAC in the last 10 years:
UConn: 2 national titles, 3 Final Fours, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 7 NCAA's
Memphis: 1 Final Four, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 8 NCAAs, one of each vacated
Cincinatti: 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 NCAAs
Temple: 6 NCAAs
USF and Houston have made the tournament. UCF made it twice.
Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, ECU: Nothing.

So, 2 NC, 4 FF, 9 S16, 30 NCAAs in the last 10 years.

MWC in the last ten years:
UNLV 1 Sweet Sixteen, 6 NCAAs
SDSU 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 NCAAs
Nevada 1 Sweet Sixteen, 4 NCAAs
Utah State 5 NCAAs
UNM 4 NCAAs
Boise State 2 NCAAs
Air Force 2 NCAAs
CSU 1 NCAA
Fresno, SJSU, Wyoming--nothing

So 3 S16, 29 NCAAs in the last ten years. Can't say the MWC is really much deeper--AAC has seven different schools in the tournament in the last ten years, MWC has 8.

(07-16-2013 09:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  the mwc is vastly underrated. they had 5 teams make the tourny last year.

That was because they figured out how to game the RPI system. If you play a non-Division I school instead of a body-bag DI game, the non-Division I school doesn't count against your strength-of-schedule. A bunch of MWC teams did that, and helped each other's RPI by playing Division II or NAIA Godawful Tech instead of Godawful State.

I dont' think it's going to fool the committee again.

(07-16-2013 04:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 03:20 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  They want you to rank them using next season's conference memberships.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/i...onferences

Current Standings. Conference - Points:
1. ACC - 35,213
2. B1G - 33,633
3. Big East - 27,650
4. American - 25,199
5. Big XII - 24,867
6. Pac-12 - 22,227
7. SEC - 22,021
8. A10 - 18,166
9. MWC - 17,461
10. C-USA - 12,973

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1. ...and that's without UL in the ACC!

2. The SEC is underrated. It beats out the Pac. (it breaks my heart to say that, bc I have a soft spot for the Pac, but it's true)

3. The A10 is ranked where it should be, but it's better than people give it credit for.

Louisville doesn't count for the ACC until next season, right?

I completely disagree with you on the SEC underrated... They have one (maybe 2) really good teams every year and then a ton of overrated basketball teams.

I think the MWC is the conference that is truly underrated by the fans. (I might drop the BigXII down one notch...but that one I couldn't argue with).

(07-17-2013 07:05 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 04:15 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 03:20 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  They want you to rank them using next season's conference memberships.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/i...onferences

Current Standings. Conference - Points:
1. ACC - 35,213
2. B1G - 33,633
3. Big East - 27,650
4. American - 25,199
5. Big XII - 24,867
6. Pac-12 - 22,227
7. SEC - 22,021
8. A10 - 18,166
9. MWC - 17,461
10. C-USA - 12,973

Reactions:
1. ...and that's without UL in the ACC!

2. The SEC is underrated. It beats out the Pac. (it breaks my heart to say that, bc I have a soft spot for the Pac, but it's true)

3. The A10 is ranked where it should be, but it's better than people give it credit for.

Louisville doesn't count for the ACC until next season, right?

I completely disagree with you on the SEC underrated... They have one (maybe 2) really good teams every year and then a ton of overrated basketball teams.

I think the MWC is the conference that is truly underrated by the fans. (I might drop the BigXII down one notch...but that one I couldn't argue with).

You are correct that UL does not join until next year. Imagine how good the ACC will be then...

I actually don't disagree with you about the SEC. However look at the other conferences. The Pac-12 is essentially the same thing, only without Kentucky. That's why I think that the SEC is better.

(07-16-2013 03:20 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  They want you to rank them using next season's conference memberships.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/i...onferences

Current Standings. Conference - Points:
1. ACC - 35,213
2. B1G - 33,633
3. Big East - 27,650
4. American - 25,199
5. Big XII - 24,867
6. Pac-12 - 22,227
7. SEC - 22,021
8. A10 - 18,166
9. MWC - 17,461
10. C-USA - 12,973

Edit: I think the link is dead now.

I pretty much agree with this list with the exception of that I think the B1G is still better than the revamped ACC. Another thing is I think the WCC should be in there instead of C-USA. WCC has Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's. In C-USA I can't think of a basketball brand outside of the former schools since it's founding.

(07-17-2013 07:17 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  I actually don't disagree with you about the SEC. However look at the other conferences. The Pac-12 is essentially the same thing, only without Kentucky. That's why I think that the SEC is better.

Depends.. I'll give the SEC Kentucky and Florida.

I'd say with the PAC-12: UCLA (if they get back to their consistent winning ways), Arizona, Washington (I'd say they were the on-again/off-again team like Florida). I'd say the PAC gets the nod over the SEC by one school.

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

This.

(07-17-2013 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

This.

If only football was this easy.

(07-17-2013 07:26 AM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  I pretty much agree with this list with the exception of that I think the B1G is still better than the revamped ACC. Another thing is I think the WCC should be in there instead of C-USA. WCC has Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's. In C-USA I can't think of a basketball brand outside of the former schools since it's founding.

ODU and Charlotte are now your basketball heavy hitters in CUSA but, they don't count for this year.

(07-17-2013 08:02 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

This.

If only football was this easy.

And he left out Louisville. Since this is supposed to be for this up coming year. Clearly an omission meant to favor the MWC.

Edit : Also, I would take Temple over San Diego State in an average year. Temple basketball doesn't get much credit on CSNBBS. I guess it's because this used to be a mostly BE board when Temple got kicked out for football but that has no relevance to the quality of their basketball.

(07-17-2013 08:12 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 07:26 AM)Flying Bearcat Wrote:  I pretty much agree with this list with the exception of that I think the B1G is still better than the revamped ACC. Another thing is I think the WCC should be in there instead of C-USA. WCC has Gonzaga, BYU, St. Mary's. In C-USA I can't think of a basketball brand outside of the former schools since it's founding.

ODU and Charlotte are now your basketball heavy hitters in CUSA but, they don't count for this year.

Yeah they do. ODU and Charlotte will be C-USA basketball 2013-2014. Western Kentucky gets added in 2014.

With UTEP, UAB, Charlotte, WKU, ODU, Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, Louisiana Tech and even Marshall if we can get back on track. C-USA will be a good hoops conference going forward.

(07-16-2013 06:36 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

LANDSLIDE !

The MWC was FAR better than that AAC lineup over the last two years and it was a landslide. That doesn't mean it will stay that way.

(07-16-2013 08:42 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 08:21 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  My order going forward (most years) would be as follows:

1. ACC (by a LOT)
---
--
-
2. Big Ten
3. American
4. Big East
--
-
5. Big XII
6. Pac-12
--
-
7. Atlantic 10
8. SEC
9. Mountain West
----
---
--
-
10. Conference USA

Mine would be this if we go by future conference configurations.

1. ACC
2. B1G
---
3. Big East
4. Big XII
5. American
6. Mountain West
7. SEC
8. Pac-12
---
9. Atlantic 10
10. WCC

Long run I think money wins out.
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Pac 12
5. SEC
6. Big East
7. MWC
8. AAC
9. A10
10.MVC

But the Pac 12 and SEC weren't ahead of the BE and MWC teams last year. And maybe not the AAC.

1.ACC
2.BIG
---
3.AAC
4.BigEast
5.Big12
---
6.PAC
7.SEC
8.MWC
9.A10
---
10.CUSA
11.SBC


You can mix up the order within the groupings... But there is NO debating these groupings in my opinion.

(07-17-2013 09:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 08:42 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 08:21 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  My order going forward (most years) would be as follows:

1. ACC (by a LOT)
---
--
-
2. Big Ten
3. American
4. Big East
--
-
5. Big XII
6. Pac-12
--
-
7. Atlantic 10
8. SEC
9. Mountain West
----
---
--
-
10. Conference USA

Mine would be this if we go by future conference configurations.

1. ACC
2. B1G
---
3. Big East
4. Big XII
5. American
6. Mountain West
7. SEC
8. Pac-12
---
9. Atlantic 10
10. WCC

Long run I think money wins out.
1. ACC
2. B1G
3. Big 12
4. Pac 12
5. SEC
6. Big East
7. MWC
8. AAC
9. A10
10.MVC

But the Pac 12 and SEC weren't ahead of the BE and MWC teams last year. And maybe not the AAC.

But the Big East is getting good money. Most of the money those other schools get go to FB and the larger athletic programs they run. They have more sports to sponsor because of FB and Title IX. We run smaller departments and usually have the same or greater amount of money allocated towards BBall. Oh and we have been KILLING the SEC in BBall for a few years now in the BE/SEC challenge.

UGA, USC, MSU, AU, Bama, A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Ark? These schools are no where near the same level as the BE.

(07-17-2013 08:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 08:02 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:04 PM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  New Mexico-Memphis AAC by a lot
UNLV-Connecticut AAC by a lot
Colorado State-Cincinnati AAC by a lot
San Diego State-Temple MWC
Boise State-East Carolina MWC, but mostly too weak to matter
Air Force-UCF AAC
Utah State-Tulsa MWC
Fresno State-Houston AAC
Wyoming-Tulane too weak to matter
Nevada-Southern Methodist AAC
San Jose State-South Florida AAC

AAC wins

This.

If only football was this easy.

And he left out Louisville. Since this is supposed to be for this up coming year. Clearly an omission meant to favor the MWC.

Edit : Also, I would take Temple over San Diego State in an average year. Temple basketball doesn't get much credit on CSNBBS. I guess it's because this used to be a mostly BE board when Temple got kicked out for football but that has no relevance to the quality of their basketball.

I think that Temple is better than San Diego State too. SDSU has had some success recently, but so has Temple and Temple just always seems to keep chugging along.

(07-17-2013 11:48 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 08:15 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 08:02 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(07-17-2013 07:59 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 05:54 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  AAC wins

This.

If only football was this easy.

And he left out Louisville. Since this is supposed to be for this up coming year. Clearly an omission meant to favor the MWC.

Edit : Also, I would take Temple over San Diego State in an average year. Temple basketball doesn't get much credit on CSNBBS. I guess it's because this used to be a mostly BE board when Temple got kicked out for football but that has no relevance to the quality of their basketball.

I think that Temple is better than San Diego State too. SDSU has had some success recently, but so has Temple and Temple just always seems to keep chugging along.

That's why they got the nod. SDSU is a stronger program as of right now. Temple is historically stronger, but I'm more worried about current results.