(07-15-2013 02:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:17 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 12:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  about time espn had some real competition.

although foxsports is the single biggest cause of conference realignment.

they overpaid for the big east & b12. and my beef with them overpaying on the b12 is that because they did so, they kept alive what should have been a dying conference.

I've said this here before: ESPN and Fox are often working together. They are friendly competitors. By gobbling up so many sports properties between the two of them, they keep the NBCSN and CBSSN cable channels from becoming serious competitors. By sharing some of the expensive sports packages, they can keep their own costs down because they're not truly bidding against each other.

I think you'll see less of that when FS1 gets it's legs under them. They needed that at first but if they can get going they will NOT want ESPN to share those properties. Watch for a nasty fight over the B1G in three years. I think Fox wins it with their relationship with them in founding the BTN. Fox owns 49% of that channel.

I agree, the next Big Ten deal will be a test of that. Will Fox and ESPN have a bidding war over the Big Ten, with the loser being shut out? Or will they split the rights between them as they have with the Pac-12 and Big 12?

I think ESPN might get a little bit of the deal, like CBS with the SEC but I don't think they get much of it. Fox needs content and BIG time content. They need games like OSU/UM, PSU/MSU, Neb/Iowa, Neb/Wisc, OSU/Wisc and OSU/PSU. Games that can't be ignored by ESPN no matter how hard they try.

One dynamic that will be interesting to watch is that ESPN really doesn't have anything in the RSN category, aside from the Longhorn Network and the upcoming SEC Network. Fox is quite deep here, often with multiple entries in a market.

As an example, Would ESPN Regional Television take their rights to the MAC, Horizon League, etc. and form an "ESPN Midwest"? If they're already producing a game for ESPN3, there isn't a whole lot more cost. This would also give ESPN the chance to bid on all of the regional rights that Fox has controlled much in recent years.

The wildcard in the B10 rights bidding war is the conference itself. How much of the conference content do they want to control (keep on BTN) and what are they willing to let other sports networks bid on. With the addition of Rutgers, Maryland & Johns Hopkins(Lacrosse) along with PSU adding Ice Hockey; the B10 has 2 new conference sports that will take up air time (Ice Hockey & Larcrosse) What gets offered to ESPN and other networks to bid on and what do they keep "in house: While BTN did show some B10 programs that sponsor Hockey, with that sport now being a conference sport it will likely get more airtime.

Something has to give.

(07-15-2013 05:28 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  One dynamic that will be interesting to watch is that ESPN really doesn't have anything in the RSN category, aside from the Longhorn Network and the upcoming SEC Network. Fox is quite deep here, often with multiple entries in a market.

As an example, Would ESPN Regional Television take their rights to the MAC, Horizon League, etc. and form an "ESPN Midwest"? If they're already producing a game for ESPN3, there isn't a whole lot more cost. This would also give ESPN the chance to bid on all of the regional rights that Fox has controlled much in recent years.

espn will have acc network too in a few years

"Happy days are here again"

I'm pretty excited to get the sports season back. I hate these long summer months of just boring baseball.

(07-15-2013 02:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I agree, the next Big Ten deal will be a test of that. Will Fox and ESPN have a bidding war over the Big Ten, with the loser being shut out? Or will they split the rights between them as they have with the Pac-12 and Big 12?

I don't see ESPN getting a foot in the door with the Big10 once Fox is fully up and running. The B1G has had too good of a deal working with FOX over the B1G-Network, and I think they jump right to FOX full-time once the new deal is laid out.

(07-16-2013 07:19 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I agree, the next Big Ten deal will be a test of that. Will Fox and ESPN have a bidding war over the Big Ten, with the loser being shut out? Or will they split the rights between them as they have with the Pac-12 and Big 12?

I don't see ESPN getting a foot in the door with the Big10 once Fox is fully up and running. The B1G has had too good of a deal working with FOX over the B1G-Network, and I think they jump right to FOX full-time once the new deal is laid out.

Not sure. A big part of the reason for the BTN was they didn't want to be at ESPN's mercy. I don't think they give Fox a sweetheart deal for Tier 1 just because--doesn't that put them at Fox's mercy if Fox has their Tier 1 and Fox owns 50% of BTN?

If I'm Delaney, I offer three overlapping packages for bid.
A). The current 20-game package
B,C) 2 15-game packages, alternating picks.

If the exclusive Package A gets more than B&C combined, go with A.

With the CCG sold separately.

(07-15-2013 02:21 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:04 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 12:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 12:39 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 12:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  about time espn had some real competition.

although foxsports is the single biggest cause of conference realignment.

they overpaid for the big east & b12. and my beef with them overpaying on the b12 is that because they did so, they kept alive what should have been a dying conference.

I'm pretty sure ESPN did that when they had the ACC raid the BE 3 times, gave Texas the Longhorn network which kept them from going to the Pac-10 which made the Longhorns invest in keeping the Big XII alive.

Also they didn't over pay for the Big East, ESPN lowball bid them and they got a better and more realistic offer from Fox.

i never believed in the espn ordered the be raids theories (i call em conspiracy theories) and they didnt overpay for the LHN to keep texas alive. they did that because they wanted to own their own school the way NBC owns notre dame

Then how about the former BC AD who said that "They told us what to do"?

http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2011...nnecticut/

Those of us who have been following this closely have known about this for almost 2 years now.

He of course backtracked when he realized he said more than he should have.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...eRHQeB7G8A

But we all know it was the truth because he wanted to rub UConn's face in it.

like i said its a theory (of course other media outlets will talk about it) and lets not take the BC ad for his word. this is the same guy who claimed his school blocked uconn's entrance into the acc

it doesnt make sense to me because the acc also was threatened by instability. why would espn risk losing not one but both of their conferences in the name of hurting foxsports just a little bit

Dude.... He's right. ESPiN told the ACC to take Pitt and Cuse. Moreover, the B12 was also advised by the networks on expansion:

http://outkickthecoverage.com/espn-fox-a...e-dame.php

Furthermore, please try to stay on topic or start another thread to voice your opinion about another subject (which has already been suggested, but you keep going on and on....). Nevertheless, I agree with you that Fox overpaid the B12, and it should be a coffin conference by now. Consequently, the title of your thread could be "Did Fox overpay the B12?" I look forward to discussing the topic with you in the appropriate thread.

(07-15-2013 12:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  about time espn had some real competition.

although foxsports is the single biggest cause of conference realignment.

they overpaid for the big east & b12. and my beef with them overpaying on the b12 is that because they did so, they kept alive what should have been a dying conference.

1- Overpaid for the Big 12? They simply didn't choose to slash an already undervalued contract any further when two teams left. Even with that absurd definition of "overpay" they didn't do it more than a year.

2- Why should we have been a dying conference? So it benefits Syracuse or the old Big East?

(07-16-2013 07:54 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 07:19 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I agree, the next Big Ten deal will be a test of that. Will Fox and ESPN have a bidding war over the Big Ten, with the loser being shut out? Or will they split the rights between them as they have with the Pac-12 and Big 12?

I don't see ESPN getting a foot in the door with the Big10 once Fox is fully up and running. The B1G has had too good of a deal working with FOX over the B1G-Network, and I think they jump right to FOX full-time once the new deal is laid out.

Not sure. A big part of the reason for the BTN was they didn't want to be at ESPN's mercy. I don't think they give Fox a sweetheart deal for Tier 1 just because--doesn't that put them at Fox's mercy if Fox has their Tier 1 and Fox owns 50% of BTN?

If I'm Delaney, I offer three overlapping packages for bid.
A). The current 20-game package
B,C) 2 15-game packages, alternating picks.

If the exclusive Package A gets more than B&C combined, go with A.

With the CCG sold separately.

I suspect it will end up looking something like the Pac 12 deal where ESPN and Fox share the first choices. Big 10 doesn't want to cut ties to ESPN totally, at least if they are smart.

(07-16-2013 08:24 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 12:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  about time espn had some real competition.

although foxsports is the single biggest cause of conference realignment.

they overpaid for the big east & b12. and my beef with them overpaying on the b12 is that because they did so, they kept alive what should have been a dying conference.

1- Overpaid for the Big 12? They simply didn't choose to slash an already undervalued contract any further when two teams left. Even with that absurd definition of "overpay" they didn't do it more than a year.

2- Why should we have been a dying conference? So it benefits Syracuse or the old Big East?

This thread is getting off topic, but I'll respond to the off topic post of a B12 mod. Unquestionably, the B12 was "overpaid" and should be a coffin conference by now. Here's a link to why I think the B12 is making too much $$$ with a product that is worth less than it once was (please scroll down to 10th post on the page):

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=638592&page=41

Regading being a coffin conference, all the PAC 12 had to do was vote in OU and OSU—tumble weed would be blowing all over the B6 feet under conference....

(07-16-2013 08:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 07:54 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 07:19 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:51 PM)Wedge Wrote:  I agree, the next Big Ten deal will be a test of that. Will Fox and ESPN have a bidding war over the Big Ten, with the loser being shut out? Or will they split the rights between them as they have with the Pac-12 and Big 12?

I don't see ESPN getting a foot in the door with the Big10 once Fox is fully up and running. The B1G has had too good of a deal working with FOX over the B1G-Network, and I think they jump right to FOX full-time once the new deal is laid out.

Not sure. A big part of the reason for the BTN was they didn't want to be at ESPN's mercy. I don't think they give Fox a sweetheart deal for Tier 1 just because--doesn't that put them at Fox's mercy if Fox has their Tier 1 and Fox owns 50% of BTN?

If I'm Delaney, I offer three overlapping packages for bid.
A). The current 20-game package
B,C) 2 15-game packages, alternating picks.

If the exclusive Package A gets more than B&C combined, go with A.

With the CCG sold separately.

I suspect it will end up looking something like the Pac 12 deal where ESPN and Fox share the first choices. Big 10 doesn't want to cut ties to ESPN totally, at least if they are smart.

I don't think they will be 100% with Fox, but I don't think they fear NOT being on ESPN. Fox is a good horse to bet on. They are going to be all in with this network. ESPN is showing cracks in it's once shiny armor.

I think Fox gets the choice games and ESPN gets some second level games like Minnesota/Maryland or Iowa/Purdue. Fox will get the big name games.