(05-06-2013 12:57 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 12:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 09:52 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-04-2013 01:25 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The difference between the Big 12 adding TCU and WVU and adding two more after that is: They had to reload to 10 schools to satisfy their TV partners. They don't have to add more now, and won't even consider it unless it means an increase in the per-school payout in the Big 12's TV deal. I'm very skeptical that ESPN and Fox would ante up enough money for any of the teams bolded above, even more so because it seems the networks are sick and tired of conferences expanding one day and demanding more money from TV networks the next day.

Everything you said was spot on. If the Big 12 didn't expand with Louisville and BYU, I don't see why they would expand now.

I, like Bit, believe that unless rules prohibit access to the CFB Championship game without a CCG, the Big XII is really finished with expansion. The Round robin system does build conference unity.

I don't see a lack of a Round Robin it hurting the SEC or the PAC 12 unity.

Stay tuned for important messages. By the time the B12 GoR expires they could feel differently, since they're locked into a 14 team scheduling headache for the next decade or so...

Don't feel like reading this entire thread, but no, I don't think Houston and Rice are B12 candidates at this time. Rice is way down the list of candidates. Houston farther up, but not number one. If, for some reason, the B12 decides to move off 10, their pool of candidates would be from the AAC. so now you look at who, realistically, is a candidate from AAC and you are down to about 5 schools in the candidate pool, give or take one. Those would be:

UC
USF
UCF
UConn

and possibly:

ECU
UH
Temple

There are currently no other valid candidates, at this time. There just aren't...so we'll see. I think they stay put at 10 for 2-3 more years and just see what develops and who improves.

(05-06-2013 01:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 02:21 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I have to call BS on this. You think the power conferences are so much more physical that week in and week out the players will be substantially more injured.

No, the commandants of the service academies think that. As you are well aware (being such an expert), the service academies tend to have some of the lightest lines in FBS football ~ for instance, the offensive lines of Air Force and Army in 2012 were 253lbs and 261lbs on average, while the offensive lines of LSU and Wisconsin average 320lbs+.

It is still an ignorant post. You can put an over-emphasis on the largest lines, but the difference among the physicality of college football is not that great.

Simply based on the realignment world we have seen the past 4 years. This is not an indictment of Houston and/or Rice.

1-5 years. No.
6-10 years. Unlikely.
> 10 years. Maybe.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?pid=8724339

(05-06-2013 03:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 02:21 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I have to call BS on this. You think the power conferences are so much more physical that week in and week out the players will be substantially more injured.

No, the commandants of the service academies think that. As you are well aware (being such an expert), the service academies tend to have some of the lightest lines in FBS football ~ for instance, the offensive lines of Air Force and Army in 2012 were 253lbs and 261lbs on average, while the offensive lines of LSU and Wisconsin average 320lbs+.

It is still an ignorant post. You can put an over-emphasis on the largest lines, but the difference among the physicality of college football is not that great.

The Air Force AD has said in multiple newspaper and local tv interviews that he does not want his players in the Big 12 due to size and speed disparities which might result in injuries. Maybe you should give him a call and explain that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The mission of the academies is to turn out military officers, not football players.

(05-06-2013 05:14 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?pid=8724339

OMG! Did that mascot really do that? Wow,,,

(05-07-2013 02:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 05:14 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?pid=8724339

OMG! Did that mascot really do that? Wow,,,

This was clearly setup ahead of time. Otherwise it would be assault. A little common sense please.

(05-07-2013 02:35 PM)lew240z Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 03:12 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 01:33 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(05-05-2013 02:21 PM)rosewater Wrote:  I have to call BS on this. You think the power conferences are so much more physical that week in and week out the players will be substantially more injured.

No, the commandants of the service academies think that. As you are well aware (being such an expert), the service academies tend to have some of the lightest lines in FBS football ~ for instance, the offensive lines of Air Force and Army in 2012 were 253lbs and 261lbs on average, while the offensive lines of LSU and Wisconsin average 320lbs+.

It is still an ignorant post. You can put an over-emphasis on the largest lines, but the difference among the physicality of college football is not that great.

The Air Force AD has said in multiple newspaper and local tv interviews that he does not want his players in the Big 12 due to size and speed disparities which might result in injuries. Maybe you should give him a call and explain that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The mission of the academies is to turn out military officers, not football players.

First, provide me with a link. I did a quick google and found nothing. Second, this is the part of your post that miffed me "Indeed, the fact that Navy was willing to join the Old Big East was kind of an indicator where the football in that conference was at, before it all fell apart." The idea that the old Big East was something substantially less than the power 5 conferences is ridiculous. Sure the conference does not stack up equally against the top teams in the SEC but no one does. How did we do against the ACC. I know Cincy went 4-0 against the ACC last year. VA tech, Duke, Pitt, Syracuse. The prior year we destroyed NC State. Our soft defensive line held them to next to zero yards rushing. I know a team that we tied the league with the prior year absolutely ripped the aCC champion, Clemson. This year the Big East champion ripped the number 2 of the SEC. If you want to run down the conference, use wins and losses not personal conjecture.

The Air Force AD remarks are in back issues of the Colorado Springs Gazette and possibly the Denver Post. The tv interviews were on the Colorado Springs stations. The Big 12 made two separate approaches to Air Force. Both times the AF AD declined to discuss joining the Big 12 citing concerns about his potential injuries to his players because of the differences in size and speed. A second reason is that the AF basketball program and other sports are not competitive in the MWC and would be at an even greater disadvantage in the Big 12.

I did not make any reference specifically to Navy or to the Big East at all in my post.

(05-07-2013 04:12 PM)maccoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2013 02:49 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(05-06-2013 05:14 PM)ShockerBob Wrote:  http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?pid=8724339

OMG! Did that mascot really do that? Wow,,,

This was clearly setup ahead of time. Otherwise it would be assault. A little common sense please.

I was talking about just how hard the mascot hit him. I realize it was set up. A little common sense please.

Well, I did not read every post in detail, bit the entire premise is amusing.

Rice lost their chance to stay in the big time in the early '90s when they didn't pursue the chance to go to the SEC with Arkansas. The more likely future for the Owls is to D3. When players are paid, either as a 'stipend' or as a result of the O'Bannon (sp?) suit, schools like Rice will use that as covers to go down to where all real universities should be (why are we the only country that out-sources our minor league sports to higher education?).

Houston will not be welcomed into the club by either Texas or aTm. Each one is a better draw alone in the city than the Cougars. They have no need to invite them to the table. Sad but true, the AACK conference is the ceiling for UH for the foreseeable future.

(05-09-2013 08:24 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  Well, I did not read every post in detail, bit the entire premise is amusing.

Rice lost their chance to stay in the big time in the early '90s when they didn't pursue the chance to go to the SEC with Arkansas. The more likely future for the Owls is to D3. When players are paid, either as a 'stipend' or as a result of the O'Bannon (sp?) suit, schools like Rice will use that as covers to go down to where all real universities should be (why are we the only country that out-sources our minor league sports to higher education?).

Houston will not be welcomed into the club by either Texas or aTm. Each one is a better draw alone in the city than the Cougars. They have no need to invite them to the table. Sad but true, the AACK conference is the ceiling for UH for the foreseeable future.

This stipend thing will separate the haves from the have-nots...that's for sure. Smaller schools cannot afford it unless it comes from another source other than the university funds.