Wow, who saw that coming?!?!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330310139

So much for the arguments against St. Louis not ready for the league.

wow 1 game and that means SLU is ready. color me unimpressed...

oh and btw, Dayton is 2-4 in conference 12-8 overall.....

(01-31-2013 11:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow 1 game and that means SLU is ready. color me unimpressed...

(01-31-2013 11:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow 1 game and that means SLU is ready. color me unimpressed...

oh and btw, Dayton is 2-4 in conference 12-8 overall.....

EVERYONE HAS TO BE GOOD RIGHT NOW!

Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

1. Good for Saint Louis. If they're joining, they better be good.
2. So VCU's Final Four run is a fluke, but SLU's win over Butler proves they're for real. Okey dokey.

We need schools that fit academically, athletically, culturally and socially. St Louis FITS

(01-31-2013 11:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wow, who saw that coming?!?!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330310139

So much for the arguments against St. Louis not ready for the league.

The arguments that they aren't ready for the league are more based around:

1. Lack of a high-level basketball history (50+ years since a Sweet Sixteen)
2. Lack of a known "coach of the future." The school just lost their best coach in many years.
3. They are much better recently, and that has translated to going from bad to mediocre/good. Not great.

Those factors point to a bottom level team going forward. A team without solid post-season success over multiple eras of basketball (sans on Elite 8), with a major possibility of decline after Majerus's efforts get worked out of the system.

Still too dangerous to commit to in the short-term. Wait, add them if they perform. The B1G didn't start with Maryland and Rutgers; the C7 shouldn't start with Saint Louis. Cultural fits can be added at any time.

(02-01-2013 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

F*** yes we can! Someone's got to come in and do it. Everyone can't go 9-9. We need a team to go 14-4, 15-3 and get high seeds...which means a team goes 4-14, 5-13, etc.

There are only so many wins available.

(02-01-2013 08:35 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  1. Good for Saint Louis. If they're joining, they better be good.
2. So VCU's Final Four run is a fluke, but SLU's win over Butler proves they're for real. Okey dokey.

No, but it proves they're not the dumpster fire many of your VCU-heads are claiming.

(02-01-2013 11:43 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 11:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wow, who saw that coming?!?!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330310139

So much for the arguments against St. Louis not ready for the league.

The arguments that they aren't ready for the league are more based around:

1. Lack of a high-level basketball history (50+ years since a Sweet Sixteen)
2. Lack of a known "coach of the future." The school just lost their best coach in many years.
3. They are much better recently, and that has translated to going from bad to mediocre/good. Not great.

Those factors point to a bottom level team going forward. A team without solid post-season success over multiple eras of basketball (sans on Elite 8), with a major possibility of decline after Majerus's efforts get worked out of the system.

Still too dangerous to commit to in the short-term. Wait, add them if they perform. The B1G didn't start with Maryland and Rutgers; the C7 shouldn't start with Saint Louis. Cultural fits can be added at any time.

They have shown they are willing to spend money on a coach. Their coach didn't leave for another job, he was sick. Also this new coach has them half a game out of first in the A-10 and as of right now in the NCAA.

(02-01-2013 12:16 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

F*** yes we can! Someone's got to come in and do it. Everyone can't go 9-9. We need a team to go 14-4, 15-3 and get high seeds...which means a team goes 4-14, 5-13, etc.

There are only so many wins available.

You are so ******* full of **** it's not funny. if Dayton is 2-16 and VCU is 28-4 and making the NCAA tourney, we look like petty morons. You take the best teams available, and by ANY measure, VCU is that, while Dayton is not. You can not debate that.

There is no ******* guarantee that we would have a team go 14-4 or 15-3. Dayton can be 2-16 and we still have the champion going 13-5 or 12-6.

(02-01-2013 12:18 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 11:43 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 11:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wow, who saw that coming?!?!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330310139

So much for the arguments against St. Louis not ready for the league.

The arguments that they aren't ready for the league are more based around:

1. Lack of a high-level basketball history (50+ years since a Sweet Sixteen)
2. Lack of a known "coach of the future." The school just lost their best coach in many years.
3. They are much better recently, and that has translated to going from bad to mediocre/good. Not great.

Those factors point to a bottom level team going forward. A team without solid post-season success over multiple eras of basketball (sans on Elite 8), with a major possibility of decline after Majerus's efforts get worked out of the system.

Still too dangerous to commit to in the short-term. Wait, add them if they perform. The B1G didn't start with Maryland and Rutgers; the C7 shouldn't start with Saint Louis. Cultural fits can be added at any time.

They have shown they are willing to spend money on a coach. Their coach didn't leave for another job, he was sick. Also this new coach has them half a game out of first in the A-10 and as of right now in the NCAA.

Of SLU's 6 conference games so far, 4 have come against teams in the 2nd division, including the 2 worst teams. Have 7 games left with teams that have won at least 3 A10 games out of 9.

And, history is littered with schools that hire the assistant in this situation, and he turns out to be brutal....

Oh, and a team with a RPI of 56 is not a lock to be in the tourney by any stretch of the imagination.

(02-01-2013 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:16 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

F*** yes we can! Someone's got to come in and do it. Everyone can't go 9-9. We need a team to go 14-4, 15-3 and get high seeds...which means a team goes 4-14, 5-13, etc.

There are only so many wins available.

You are so ******* full of **** it's not funny. if Dayton is 2-16 and VCU is 28-4 and making the NCAA tourney, we look like petty morons. You take the best teams available, and by ANY measure, VCU is that, while Dayton is not. You can not debate that.

There is no ******* guarantee that we would have a team go 14-4 or 15-3. Dayton can be 2-16 and we still have the champion going 13-5 or 12-6.

That will happen regardless. Someone in this league is going to be bad and lose a lot of games and some team on the outside will be looking great. You are so short sighted and just want instant gratification.

Guess what? VCU won't going to be coming so start getting over it.

(02-01-2013 12:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:18 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 11:43 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 11:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wow, who saw that coming?!?!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330310139

So much for the arguments against St. Louis not ready for the league.

The arguments that they aren't ready for the league are more based around:

1. Lack of a high-level basketball history (50+ years since a Sweet Sixteen)
2. Lack of a known "coach of the future." The school just lost their best coach in many years.
3. They are much better recently, and that has translated to going from bad to mediocre/good. Not great.

Those factors point to a bottom level team going forward. A team without solid post-season success over multiple eras of basketball (sans on Elite 8), with a major possibility of decline after Majerus's efforts get worked out of the system.

Still too dangerous to commit to in the short-term. Wait, add them if they perform. The B1G didn't start with Maryland and Rutgers; the C7 shouldn't start with Saint Louis. Cultural fits can be added at any time.

They have shown they are willing to spend money on a coach. Their coach didn't leave for another job, he was sick. Also this new coach has them half a game out of first in the A-10 and as of right now in the NCAA.

Of SLU's 6 conference games so far, 4 have come against teams in the 2nd division, including the 2 worst teams. Have 7 games left with teams that have won at least 3 A10 games out of 9.

And, history is littered with schools that hire the assistant in this situation, and he turns out to be brutal....

Oh, and a team with a RPI of 56 is not a lock to be in the tourney by any stretch of the imagination.

Did he say "lock"? You are twisting everyone's words so much to fit your narrative its amazing.

(02-01-2013 12:29 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:27 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:18 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 11:43 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(01-31-2013 11:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Wow, who saw that coming?!?!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=330310139

So much for the arguments against St. Louis not ready for the league.

The arguments that they aren't ready for the league are more based around:

1. Lack of a high-level basketball history (50+ years since a Sweet Sixteen)
2. Lack of a known "coach of the future." The school just lost their best coach in many years.
3. They are much better recently, and that has translated to going from bad to mediocre/good. Not great.

Those factors point to a bottom level team going forward. A team without solid post-season success over multiple eras of basketball (sans on Elite 8), with a major possibility of decline after Majerus's efforts get worked out of the system.

Still too dangerous to commit to in the short-term. Wait, add them if they perform. The B1G didn't start with Maryland and Rutgers; the C7 shouldn't start with Saint Louis. Cultural fits can be added at any time.

They have shown they are willing to spend money on a coach. Their coach didn't leave for another job, he was sick. Also this new coach has them half a game out of first in the A-10 and as of right now in the NCAA.

Of SLU's 6 conference games so far, 4 have come against teams in the 2nd division, including the 2 worst teams. Have 7 games left with teams that have won at least 3 A10 games out of 9.

And, history is littered with schools that hire the assistant in this situation, and he turns out to be brutal....

Oh, and a team with a RPI of 56 is not a lock to be in the tourney by any stretch of the imagination.

Did he say "lock"? You are twisting everyone's words so much to fit your narrative its amazing.

no, but it's not a guarantee they would be the tourney right now like he said.

(02-01-2013 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:16 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

F*** yes we can! Someone's got to come in and do it. Everyone can't go 9-9. We need a team to go 14-4, 15-3 and get high seeds...which means a team goes 4-14, 5-13, etc.

There are only so many wins available.

You are so ******* full of **** it's not funny. if Dayton is 2-16 and VCU is 28-4 and making the NCAA tourney, we look like petty morons. You take the best teams available, and by ANY measure, VCU is that, while Dayton is not. You can not debate that.

There is no ******* guarantee that we would have a team go 14-4 or 15-3. Dayton can be 2-16 and we still have the champion going 13-5 or 12-6.

We have a pretty classy board. LEt's not use up all the asterisks or we'll have to start exiling people to the Memphis board--they crazy.

(02-01-2013 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:16 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

F*** yes we can! Someone's got to come in and do it. Everyone can't go 9-9. We need a team to go 14-4, 15-3 and get high seeds...which means a team goes 4-14, 5-13, etc.

There are only so many wins available.

You are so ******* full of **** it's not funny. if Dayton is 2-16 and VCU is 28-4 and making the NCAA tourney, we look like petty morons. You take the best teams available, and by ANY measure, VCU is that, while Dayton is not. You can not debate that.

There is no ******* guarantee that we would have a team go 14-4 or 15-3. Dayton can be 2-16 and we still have the champion going 13-5 or 12-6.

Both of you need to watch the language. Yes it's bleeped but no need for name calling. You've both been warned.

(02-01-2013 12:28 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 12:16 PM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Of the additions, yes they do need to be good right now. we can't afford for Dayton to come in and be 2-16 1st year. It'd make us look stupid as hell when VCU is doing very well.

F*** yes we can! Someone's got to come in and do it. Everyone can't go 9-9. We need a team to go 14-4, 15-3 and get high seeds...which means a team goes 4-14, 5-13, etc.

There are only so many wins available.

You are so ******* full of **** it's not funny. if Dayton is 2-16 and VCU is 28-4 and making the NCAA tourney, we look like petty morons. You take the best teams available, and by ANY measure, VCU is that, while Dayton is not. You can not debate that.

There is no ******* guarantee that we would have a team go 14-4 or 15-3. Dayton can be 2-16 and we still have the champion going 13-5 or 12-6.

That will happen regardless. Someone in this league is going to be bad and lose a lot of games and some team on the outside will be looking great. You are so short sighted and just want instant gratification.

Guess what? VCU won't going to be coming so start getting over it.

Gess what- the invites haven't been announced yet. It's not a lock at all. if VCU makes a run again, especially if they make the final 8 or better- it will be IMPOSSIBLE to ignore them. Fox won't let them ignore them.

The league HAS to come out of the shoot fast. You are really delusional if you think for a second that if we have a bad first year or two that we will be able to recover anywhere near where we're starting. DOn't give me this 12 year tv deal- tv is great, but if we're average, recruiting will get destroyed. Instead of folks looking at Marquette, they'll be looking at Wisconsin. That's the problem.

The thing to me is this...

average joe fan. they can watch either Georgetown/VCU or Georgetown/Dayton- which game would be more likely to be even shown on national tv? Which one would avg joe fan watch?

Heck, I could say that VCU would be 3rd at worst behind only Xavier and Butler(and frankly, maybe only 2nd to Butler).