Season tickets? Really? Would some of you who will get on the football bandwagon because there's an article about Fulmer do some unbiased research about the cost of a football program! Not for one year or two. Put pencil to paper about the cost, year-in and year-out to fund a program. Not a team. A football program. You'll find a program at this level will spend far more than it will bring in. Phil Fulmer would't be a savior for an ETSU football program any more than Bill Curry, another coaching legend, was for Georgia State's. If UT, with all its resources and tradition can't right it's football ship, there's little chance ETSU will do better. Why can't the community and alumni be happy with the student athletes and coaches we have--the conference champions in numerous sports, the academic all-americans, the hall-of-fame track coach for whom the track is named, the hall-of-fame coach of perennially nationally top-ten ranked golf team, the hall-of-fame tennis player who came back to coach at his alma mater and lead his teams to conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances year after year after year? Why can't true ETSU backers be happy with the rich and successful volleyball, baseball, and basketball tradition?

Read more: http://johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/artic...z2J5o7werU

This comment kills me.... THIS HAS TO BE DAVE MULLINS OR ONE OF HIS CLOSE FRIENDS! I just want to slap some sense into this fool. Rich volleyball tradition??? really?? Hall of fame tennis??

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)BartowZone Wrote:  Season tickets? Really? Would some of you who will get on the football bandwagon because there's an article about Fulmer do some unbiased research about the cost of a football program! Not for one year or two. Put pencil to paper about the cost, year-in and year-out to fund a program. Not a team. A football program. You'll find a program at this level will spend far more than it will bring in. Phil Fulmer would't be a savior for an ETSU football program any more than Bill Curry, another coaching legend, was for Georgia State's. If UT, with all its resources and tradition can't right it's football ship, there's little chance ETSU will do better. Why can't the community and alumni be happy with the student athletes and coaches we have--the conference champions in numerous sports, the academic all-americans, the hall-of-fame track coach for whom the track is named, the hall-of-fame coach of perennially nationally top-ten ranked golf team, the hall-of-fame tennis player who came back to coach at his alma mater and lead his teams to conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances year after year after year? Why can't true ETSU backers be happy with the rich and successful volleyball, baseball, and basketball tradition?

Read more: http://johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/artic...z2J5o7werU

This comment kills me.... THIS HAS TO BE DAVE MULLINS OR ONE OF HIS CLOSE FRIENDS! I just want to slap some sense into this fool. Rich volleyball tradition??? really?? Hall of fame tennis??

This isn't directed towards you Bartow, just to the comment you quoted. I'm not knocking those sports, but go to the games and look at the attendance..you'll see how happy ETSU backers are of those sports you just mentioned. If money is the issue, I wonder how much money those sports are losing? You can't build 3 new stadiums, plus pay for scholarships, staff, etc. without it costing money....my question to you is this...how much money are those programs losing? The fact of the matter is that ETSU athletics has been going on a downward spiral for the past decade. Football and basketball sell and will generate revenue if they are done and marketed properly. Noland and Sander get this...apparently the football haters and some of the professors don't. You have to have flagship programs that market your athletic department and school. Its an investment, and you have to invest in the sports that will bring the most return which in our country are football and basketball.

(01-26-2013 09:46 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)BartowZone Wrote:  Season tickets? Really? Would some of you who will get on the football bandwagon because there's an article about Fulmer do some unbiased research about the cost of a football program! Not for one year or two. Put pencil to paper about the cost, year-in and year-out to fund a program. Not a team. A football program. You'll find a program at this level will spend far more than it will bring in. Phil Fulmer would't be a savior for an ETSU football program any more than Bill Curry, another coaching legend, was for Georgia State's. If UT, with all its resources and tradition can't right it's football ship, there's little chance ETSU will do better. Why can't the community and alumni be happy with the student athletes and coaches we have--the conference champions in numerous sports, the academic all-americans, the hall-of-fame track coach for whom the track is named, the hall-of-fame coach of perennially nationally top-ten ranked golf team, the hall-of-fame tennis player who came back to coach at his alma mater and lead his teams to conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances year after year after year? Why can't true ETSU backers be happy with the rich and successful volleyball, baseball, and basketball tradition?

Read more: http://johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/artic...z2J5o7werU

This comment kills me.... THIS HAS TO BE DAVE MULLINS OR ONE OF HIS CLOSE FRIENDS! I just want to slap some sense into this fool. Rich volleyball tradition??? really?? Hall of fame tennis??

This isn't directed towards you Bartow, just to the comment you quoted. I'm not knocking those sports, but go to the games and look at the attendance..you'll see how happy ETSU backers are of those sports you just mentioned. If money is the issue, I wonder how much money those sports are losing? You can't build 3 new stadiums, plus pay for scholarships, staff, etc. without it costing money....my question to you is this...how much money are those programs losing? The fact of the matter is that ETSU athletics has been going on a downward spiral for the past decade. Football and basketball sell and will generate revenue if they are done and marketed properly. Noland and Sander get this...apparently the football haters and some of the professors don't. You have to have flagship programs that market your athletic department and school. Its an investment, and you have to invest in the sports that will bring the most return which in our country are football and basketball.

Completely agree, I left a comment addressing it. The only sport we have that would even come close to making money is mens basketball, and I'm not so sure that it isn't losing money with the drop in attendance over the last few years. I support all buc sports, but asking the fan base to be satisfied with our rich volleyball tradition and hall of fame golf and tennis and not want anything more is just absurd.

here is a link to Volnation where some of the Vols fans are talking about Phil possibly helping ETSU:
http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee...um=twitter

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  I love how the JC Press goes through and deletes people's comments....lol pathetic

No different than this board.

(01-26-2013 10:29 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  I love how the JC Press goes through and deletes people's comments....lol pathetic

No different than this board.

none of mine have ever been deleted on here

(01-26-2013 09:56 AM)BartowZone Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:46 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)BartowZone Wrote:  Season tickets? Really? Would some of you who will get on the football bandwagon because there's an article about Fulmer do some unbiased research about the cost of a football program! Not for one year or two. Put pencil to paper about the cost, year-in and year-out to fund a program. Not a team. A football program. You'll find a program at this level will spend far more than it will bring in. Phil Fulmer would't be a savior for an ETSU football program any more than Bill Curry, another coaching legend, was for Georgia State's. If UT, with all its resources and tradition can't right it's football ship, there's little chance ETSU will do better. Why can't the community and alumni be happy with the student athletes and coaches we have--the conference champions in numerous sports, the academic all-americans, the hall-of-fame track coach for whom the track is named, the hall-of-fame coach of perennially nationally top-ten ranked golf team, the hall-of-fame tennis player who came back to coach at his alma mater and lead his teams to conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances year after year after year? Why can't true ETSU backers be happy with the rich and successful volleyball, baseball, and basketball tradition?

Read more: http://johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/artic...z2J5o7werU

This comment kills me.... THIS HAS TO BE DAVE MULLINS OR ONE OF HIS CLOSE FRIENDS! I just want to slap some sense into this fool. Rich volleyball tradition??? really?? Hall of fame tennis??

This isn't directed towards you Bartow, just to the comment you quoted. I'm not knocking those sports, but go to the games and look at the attendance..you'll see how happy ETSU backers are of those sports you just mentioned. If money is the issue, I wonder how much money those sports are losing? You can't build 3 new stadiums, plus pay for scholarships, staff, etc. without it costing money....my question to you is this...how much money are those programs losing? The fact of the matter is that ETSU athletics has been going on a downward spiral for the past decade. Football and basketball sell and will generate revenue if they are done and marketed properly. Noland and Sander get this...apparently the football haters and some of the professors don't. You have to have flagship programs that market your athletic department and school. Its an investment, and you have to invest in the sports that will bring the most return which in our country are football and basketball.

Completely agree, I left a comment addressing it. The only sport we have that would even come close to making money is mens basketball, and I'm not so sure that it isn't losing money with the drop in attendance over the last few years. I support all buc sports, but asking the fan base to be satisfied with our rich volleyball tradition and hall of fame golf and tennis and not want anything more is just absurd.

John Feinstein (CBS Sports) on his radio show yesterday morning stated that all college football programs lose money. He went on to state that basketball was a big money maker at some institutions.

(01-26-2013 11:05 AM)seagrove10 Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:56 AM)BartowZone Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:46 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)BartowZone Wrote:  Season tickets? Really? Would some of you who will get on the football bandwagon because there's an article about Fulmer do some unbiased research about the cost of a football program! Not for one year or two. Put pencil to paper about the cost, year-in and year-out to fund a program. Not a team. A football program. You'll find a program at this level will spend far more than it will bring in. Phil Fulmer would't be a savior for an ETSU football program any more than Bill Curry, another coaching legend, was for Georgia State's. If UT, with all its resources and tradition can't right it's football ship, there's little chance ETSU will do better. Why can't the community and alumni be happy with the student athletes and coaches we have--the conference champions in numerous sports, the academic all-americans, the hall-of-fame track coach for whom the track is named, the hall-of-fame coach of perennially nationally top-ten ranked golf team, the hall-of-fame tennis player who came back to coach at his alma mater and lead his teams to conference championships and NCAA tournament appearances year after year after year? Why can't true ETSU backers be happy with the rich and successful volleyball, baseball, and basketball tradition?

Read more: http://johnsoncitypress.com/Sports/artic...z2J5o7werU

This comment kills me.... THIS HAS TO BE DAVE MULLINS OR ONE OF HIS CLOSE FRIENDS! I just want to slap some sense into this fool. Rich volleyball tradition??? really?? Hall of fame tennis??

This isn't directed towards you Bartow, just to the comment you quoted. I'm not knocking those sports, but go to the games and look at the attendance..you'll see how happy ETSU backers are of those sports you just mentioned. If money is the issue, I wonder how much money those sports are losing? You can't build 3 new stadiums, plus pay for scholarships, staff, etc. without it costing money....my question to you is this...how much money are those programs losing? The fact of the matter is that ETSU athletics has been going on a downward spiral for the past decade. Football and basketball sell and will generate revenue if they are done and marketed properly. Noland and Sander get this...apparently the football haters and some of the professors don't. You have to have flagship programs that market your athletic department and school. Its an investment, and you have to invest in the sports that will bring the most return which in our country are football and basketball.

Completely agree, I left a comment addressing it. The only sport we have that would even come close to making money is mens basketball, and I'm not so sure that it isn't losing money with the drop in attendance over the last few years. I support all buc sports, but asking the fan base to be satisfied with our rich volleyball tradition and hall of fame golf and tennis and not want anything more is just absurd.

John Feinstein (CBS Sports) on his radio show yesterday morning stated that all college football programs lose money. He went on to state that basketball was a big money maker at some institutions.

Then how do you explain all the money the UT athletics dept. has made and poured into the university? I think he is mistaken...depends on the model of the program that is adopted and how it is run. There are too many variables to make a blanket statement like that. JMO

etsudolfan,

Bingo. Investment is the issue. Where do you invest $12 million a year to get the best possible return on your investment? Football and basketball first and foremost, the rest next. At this mid-major level, all sports teams are subsidized. 80% of ETSU's athletic budget is subsidized, which is nothing unusual. But, ETSU currently invests in minor sports at the expense of major sports, thus reducing the opportunity of generating revenue to help offset the overall subsidy. And, with this model, fewer and fewer fans attend athletic events each year -- not exactly how to improve the front porch appeal of the university. Yep, put you money where the fans are and get them back on campus while generating much more revenue -- that being FOOTBALL and BASKETBALL first and foremost.

(01-26-2013 10:47 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 10:29 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  I love how the JC Press goes through and deletes people's comments....lol pathetic

No different than this board.

none of mine have ever been deleted on here

None of mine have ever been deleted by the Johnson City Press.

It's not all about ticket sales, etc. I'd like to see App's enrollment before 2005 compared with what it is now. Mostly because of the national recognition that football brought to the University. Before the football team started getting all that attention, most people outside of a few hundred mile radius had never even heard of App State. Now they are a household name, and considering a move to the big time. If it can happen in Boone, NC. It can happen in JC. I can't think of a much better hire than Fulmer to bring some of that attention to our start-up program!

I was the only one to ever report this, and it's a dirty little secret that even ETSU apologists on here have come on and tried to dispute, but the year after dropping football applications to ETSU went down by about 12 percent.

Now, they went up the next year because of the pharmacy school. In fact, the pharmacy school brought in more applications than ever before, thus eclipsing the previous mark set during the hey day of ETSU basketball.

But you wonder what the figure could have been if there wasn't that black mark by ETSU's name the year before.

(01-26-2013 11:11 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

Quote:John Feinstein (CBS Sports) on his radio show yesterday morning stated that all college football programs lose money. He went on to state that basketball was a big money maker at some institutions.

Then how do you explain all the money the UT athletics dept. has made and poured into the university? I think he is mistaken...depends on the model of the program that is adopted and how it is run. There are too many variables to make a blanket statement like that. JMO

Well that is not correct some football programs do make money. For all the uproar that UT Athletics lost 4 million dollars, even with a lousy team the football program made over 35 million. It was the buyouts and other spots that put UT in the hole, not football.

(01-26-2013 09:41 AM)etsudolfan Wrote:  I love how the JC Press goes through and deletes people's comments....lol pathetic

At least they deleted get a clue's pathetic comments.

(01-25-2013 11:39 PM)abuc90 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:33 PM)Mister Jennings Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 11:18 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Fan1- I am telling you, the one thing, perhaps the only thing, that can kill the revival of ETSU football and/or the growth of ETSU sports is community apathy.

It's not a great sports town to begin with as we all know. Now, you combine that with the fact for the last 10 years we've heard nothing coming from ETSU but we can't have football or be in a real conference, and the fact the media has just gone along with it (I believe the cartoon in the Press the other day was the first time in a decade the paper has ever been critical of Mullins), and you will natually have a populace that will be less than enthused about the return of football to ETSU.

Now, I'm not saying it won't come back. I'm not saying ETSU won't join a better conference.

But I am saying that if these things are announced, be prepared for there to be a lot of Static Eyes that have to be won over for this to succeed.

I can't disagree more about Tri-Cities being a poor sports community. Look at high school attendance, Bristol Motor Speedway and early 90s ETSU attendance....When there is a good product....Tri-Cities supports. These fans travel...they poor out of the hills and head to Knoxville and Blacksburg. It's ETSUs job to keep these people home and to make them true Bucs. It's gonna happen.

The Wadood/Fields years had great attendance as well. Since then attendance has dwindled to the pitiful level that it is now. Is it the Asun matchups? Is it the poor product on the floor? Is it Bartow?

Yep, Yep and Yep

You've never lived anywhere else but here, Mister. I have.

Trust me, I have never seen less interest in sports in the general population than in the Tri-Cities.

Most of the fans from BMS come from 100 miles or more out of town and the ticket isn't nearly as hot as it once was. Besides, it's an event. It's Bike Week at Sturgis or Spring Break at Daytona Beach.

You might as well be telling me the Pro Bowl proves that Honolulu deserves an NFL franchise.

The Wadood/Fields years never, ever, ever approached what the Mister years did. You're either lying or don't know what you're talking about.

Look up the numbers.

By the way, your own comment is contradictory. Bartow coached the senior year of Wadood and Fields. Now, if fans turned out then but they don't now, how would it be that Bartow was the one keeping them away?

its getting some attention in Knoxville too

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2013/jan/...help-etsu/

Pittsburghbucs said: The Wadood/Fields years never, ever, ever approached what the Mister years did. You're either lying or don't know what you're talking about.

Not sure if this is directed towards my comments or not, but I was here during both eras. You are correct in that the Mister years are second to none in EVERY aspect, including attendance. However, I am not lying and I do know what I'm talking about when I say the Wadood years drew great crowds and we haven't seen anything close in attendance since.

(01-26-2013 12:08 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  By the way, your own comment is contradictory. Bartow coached the senior year of Wadood and Fields. Now, if fans turned out then but they don't now, how would it be that Bartow was the one keeping them away?

This is an illogical statement. Fans were coming out to see Eddie D.'s players during bartow's first year here, and that was still what they were seeing. bartow at least had the sense to basically stay out of the way and let those guys play. He even has said as much. Only later, beginning the next year, we saw that he simply wasn't as good a coach. Eventually (over years) the bartow bumblings piled up, and people gradually got turned off by the inferior product - a team underachieving more often than not. Just as one example, I'll likely never get over the horrifically botched loss in the conference tournament, in the Dome, to G-W, with the incredible total collapse and bartow's inability to have even the simplest of inbounds plays, or inbounds defense. Then two(?) years ago he chews out fans for leaving early during another botched game - serious disrespect of said fans in my book. And those exact fans were, and are, the ones that have quit coming while he's still on the bench.

bartow is certainly not the *only* factor keeping fans away; the conference we're in is another, and lack of quality OOC home games is another. But bartow is definitely part of it.

bartow bumblings....that's a great way to describe the last ten years. Dr. Sander....ETSU isn't going to achieve with this fella. Change is what the Bucs need to give hope. Do it now. Call Phil while you are at it. Revolution! Shake it up! Give long suffering fans hope!

The JC Press is the worst for deleting comments. About 2 years ago, I quit advertising my business in there just because of this. I know its a small drop in the bucket, but it was about $200/month. I can advertise elsewhere, just as effectively. I also cancelled my subscription and only go to their website for news now. They are terrible.