(07-05-2012 02:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you?

You're a bad human being and citizen because you're only concerned about whether or not you should have to pay for something, when you're not realizing the risks associated, along with the *HIGHER COSTS* for things you are unarguably responsible to pay for, with not paying for such things. You're shortsighted, selfish, and most importantly, more worried with not admitting that you're wrong than actually doing what's good for the country.

In every definition of the word, you're a bad citizen.

Quote:You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is.

You want to talk political theory, let's talk political theory. Notice I never said it was your responsibility to pay for such things, actually stated that a few different times, but that it only makes fiscal and scientific sense, especially in regards to how little programs like this cost as opposed to their possible outcomes.

Quote:In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

You're the worst kind of ignorant, the kind that won't even bother educating itself despite the fact simply googling 'antibiotic resistant bacteria' will show you how real this problem is.

"items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for"...this is a direct quote.

But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

(07-05-2012 02:11 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:04 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And the fear mongering really is old after 30+ years.

In what capacity do you make this assertion? What makes you think you understand this problem better than the pathologists who see the over 450,000 cases of ARTB each year alone (with a ~30% death rate)? And while those are mostly in india, you're missing the part where we have no other defenses against their spread than they do, medically speaking. They use the same antibiotics we do, and they're not working.

Seriously, if you're ignorant about a subject it's best you don't act like you know what you're talking about

Subject is HIV/AIDS.

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

See US Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights

Quote:"items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for"...this is a direct quote.

You're trolling right? Because I've already explained the far greater possible costs associated that you *ARE* responsible for roughly 5 times this thread already.

(07-05-2012 02:16 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

See US Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights

Hrmm...thought that it was within congresses rights to levy taxes? But no, you're right, I guess we should get rid of that nice clean drinking water and health codes too.

Jesus christ you might possible be the dumbest person I've ever had contact with.

(07-05-2012 02:17 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:"items that *ARE* your responsibility to pay for"...this is a direct quote.

You're trolling right? Because I've already explained the far greater possible costs associated that you *ARE* responsible for roughly 5 times this thread already.

I see now you're backing up about your political theory discussion idea...again...your pet projects aren't my responsibility. Not all of them are bad "ideas" but NONE of them are my "RESPONSIBILITY".

(07-05-2012 02:18 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:16 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

See US Constitution and/or the Bill of Rights

Hrmm...thought that it was within congresses rights to levy taxes? But no, you're right, I guess we should get rid of that nice clean drinking water and health codes too.

Jesus christ you might possible be the dumbest person I've ever had contact with.

ad hominem attacks...predictable.

I've already been through that like 5 times, reread the thread if you're confused.

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

Actually...I tend to agree. I just would rather a private organization address this. They would do a better job anyway. I am sure there are plenty of folks that would donate to such a cause.

I would point out though that this "spread" of disease is not environmental in nature and does not effect the general population as does most we combat with governmental funding. I think that is where the problem lies. This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them. It is however a problem of public health and should be addressed in some fashion. Again..I would prefer a private solution.

(07-05-2012 02:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:58 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:51 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 01:42 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Sorry pal, but just because you don't comprehend the inherent dangers of allowing immunoviruses to freely spread increasing their chances of mutations, much less exacerbating the current problem of antibiotic resistant bacterium (there's already some strains of TB that have popped up in China/India that are *REAL* nasty) doesn't mean these aren't real and absolutely compelling reasons to fund these sorts of excruciatingly cheap prevention methods.

Furthermore, your above post just proves exactly what my post claims; you're so idiotically stuck on 'IM NOT RESPONSIBLE' that you'd willingly put your country at risk for a major medical crisis than pay for something that you don't believe you should, despite all legitimate scientific and fiscal reasons supporting such said preventions. You're a bad citizen, and more importantly, a horrible human being. Grats.

I'm a bad human being and citizen because I don't agree with you? You're hilarious. Run along now junior. When the liberal ether wears off come back for more discussion about what freedom really is. In the meantime keep the fear mongering to yourself. Its tired.

No. You're a bad human being and an awful citizen because you want to put everyone's health at risk (including yours - how about a mutation of HIV that is airborne?), simply because you want to stick to your 'punish' mantra. Yes, drug dealers should be in prison. I'm not in favor of legalization of hard drugs, but....if we can save the friggin' taxpayers money AND help mitigate health risks to the population, then we should do it.

Either you are a mean, twisted, counterproductive, bad citizen (and awful Christian - by any definition of the Gospels), or you are just completely ignorant.

Emphasis added...what do you think needles are used for. Injecting pot. You're one contradiction after another.

Injecting pot???? I've never heard of that one. In my last post I questioned whether you are mean or just ignorant. I think you just answered that question. Ignorance CAN be fixed. Just step away from the AM radio......and the WND.......

someones sarcasm meter is broken

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

Actually...I tend to agree. I just would rather a private organization address this. They would do a better job anyway. I am sure there are plenty of folks that would donate to such a cause.

I would point out though that this "spread" of disease is not environmental in nature and does not effect the general population as does most we combat with governmental funding. I think that is where the problem lies. This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them. It is however a problem of public health and should be addressed in some fashion. Again..I would prefer a private solution.

UCF is all mad about nothing. I never said these were bad ideas(except for the needle thing) I just don't think it reaches the level of being my "responsibility". Some of the things mentioned aren't bad ideas. UCF has AIDS.

(07-05-2012 02:27 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

Actually...I tend to agree. I just would rather a private organization address this. They would do a better job anyway. I am sure there are plenty of folks that would donate to such a cause.

I would point out though that this "spread" of disease is not environmental in nature and does not effect the general population as does most we combat with governmental funding. I think that is where the problem lies. This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them. It is however a problem of public health and should be addressed in some fashion. Again..I would prefer a private solution.

UCF is all mad about nothing. I never said these were bad ideas(except for the needle thing) I just don't think it reaches the level of being my "responsibility". Some of the things mentioned aren't bad ideas. UCF has AIDS.

The needle thing is what i'm talking about, so this post makes no sense.

Quote:I would point out though that this "spread" of disease is not environmental in nature and does not effect the general population as does most we combat with governmental funding. I think that is where the problem lies. This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them. It is however a problem of public health and should be addressed in some fashion. Again..I would prefer a private solution.

I would like to point out that viruses mutate, it's what they do, and not trying to actively limit the amount of people infected (therefore, possible mutations) is painfully shortsighted, especially considered the minute cost of this.

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them.

You have also just described heart disease.

(07-05-2012 02:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote:I would point out though that this "spread" of disease is not environmental in nature and does not effect the general population as does most we combat with governmental funding. I think that is where the problem lies. This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them. It is however a problem of public health and should be addressed in some fashion. Again..I would prefer a private solution.

I would like to point out that viruses mutate, it's what they do, and not trying to actively limit the amount of people infected (therefore, possible mutations) is painfully shortsighted, especially considered the minute cost of this.

That's fair. Start a needle distribution organization. Fund it. Make it happen. Hell..you might even get the manufacturers to help fund it for advertising of their products. Get BD on this sh!t pronto.

(07-05-2012 02:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:27 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:15 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  But these are societal problems that will negatively effect everyone no matter whether or not they take part in them. Stopping the spread of communicable diseases isn't some pet project, it's a legitimate concern for all societies and for everyone within them.

If getting funding for something like that isn't the governments job, then what is?

Actually...I tend to agree. I just would rather a private organization address this. They would do a better job anyway. I am sure there are plenty of folks that would donate to such a cause.

I would point out though that this "spread" of disease is not environmental in nature and does not effect the general population as does most we combat with governmental funding. I think that is where the problem lies. This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them. It is however a problem of public health and should be addressed in some fashion. Again..I would prefer a private solution.

UCF is all mad about nothing. I never said these were bad ideas(except for the needle thing) I just don't think it reaches the level of being my "responsibility". Some of the things mentioned aren't bad ideas. UCF has AIDS.

The needle thing is what i'm talking about, so this post makes no sense.

Well to me the needle thing is indicative of many problems within the federal government. Giving needles to drug addicts is a silly idea. I'd rather "voluntarily" pay more for drug awareness programs in school and leave the drug addicts to solve their own problems. I agree the war on drugs isn't working but I disagree that the solution is to make drugs more accessible (hard drugs). A better solution is to prevent the addiction in the first place than encourage addiction by supplying the addicts. You'll never convince anyone that drug resistant bacteria are a result of the war on drugs. Its more likely caused by overuse of antibiotics. But hey...you're an attorney, micro biologist, commercial real estate agent, politician and whatever else you're an expert in that day. I personally think you're full of chit and get tired of your constant attacks. Sure I dole them out too but mine are meant to be sarcastic and you're just a miserable dbag who throws hissy fits when people disagree with you and call them stupid. You have AIDS.

(07-05-2012 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them.

You have also just described heart disease.

Well...you can't give someone heart disease..but..I get your point.

(07-05-2012 02:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them.

You have also just described heart disease.

Well...you can't give someone heart disease..but..I get your point.

I've tried to give you people some of my awesome for years but that hasn't worked either.

(07-05-2012 02:49 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:46 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:44 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 02:25 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  This spread is due to poor behavior, irresponsibility,and a lack care for those close to them.

You have also just described heart disease.

Well...you can't give someone heart disease..but..I get your point.

I've tried to give you people some of my awesome for years but that hasn't worked either.

I saw a guy at a little league game last week. He had a T Shirt that said..."This is what awesome is all about" Was that you?