For Andre to throw out a statement like that without at the very least discussing what other options UH had available is both shameful and despicable. Imo he has betrayed the alma mater that made it possible for him to enjoy the financial and career success he has today.

Very, very disappointing.

(06-06-2012 09:13 AM)HoustonCougarNation Wrote:  Not a bad opinion in my view, and he does have some valid points. I guess we will have to wait and see who is right after all.

GO COOGS!!!!!

I hate Houston more than most people but faulting them for moving up in the CFB doesnt make much sense for me.

His point about Travel doesnt make sense. If anything I would expect costs to go down...flying for Houston to major cities is a helluva lot cheaper than flying to Huntington WV or Greenville NC.

Even if the Big East picks off the remaining good teams in CUSA after UCONN, Rutgers, Louisville, Cinn leave you still have a better conference than the clusterf.... Tulsa, USM and ECU are saddled with.

The thing that would concern me is that the MWC and CUSA have already blown their load on a bunch of crap schools so whats to come back for.

I would love a new conference with the best of CUSA and the best of the MWC.

Quote:IMHO, the term "butt hurt" had some minor impact the first 20 times I read it. The following 10,000 times, not so much.

It reached a whole new level of ironic stupidity a few months ago, when I saw a Penn State fan use it on the realignment board to describe those calling for massive institutional punishment in the Sandusky matter.

(06-06-2012 09:16 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 10:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  nBE has 13 (soon to be 14, or even 16) football schools, the only way it would implode would be if the Big 12, SEC, Big 10, and in effect, the ACC all expanded at the same time, which is highly unlikely.

Otherwise, if/when the nBE loses any members, they would still be in the position to continue to pick away at the MWC and CUSA.

So those rooting for the nBE to collapse in hopes of somehow flipping the script and having the upper hand on UH, SMU, etc., realistically you're doing so at your own peril.

You're obviously basing this on your own meandering.

The only reason the Big East was able to "pick away at the MWC and CUSA" was based on past history which we all know is gone. The reasons for schools to 2nd guess and for people to think these schools made a bad choice is the present. The Big East wont be picking away at anything if it falls apart. Even if it doesnt fall apart the days of its claims of being a dominant conf due to AQ status are past.

The Big East is like Uncle Rico living off past glory.

CUSA can pick off teams at will from the Sun Belt and CUSA has never had AQ status. The ability to lure teams from other conferences is much more complicated than simple AQ status. If the Big East gets anywhere near the TV contract amounts being discussed, then CUSA teams contacted by the Big East for all-sports memberships would almost certainly jump on it. The level of play would certainly be no lower and the school would get more money.

What does Cougar Highs OOC look like past 2013. I hope Tulsa and Houston keep playing each other on a semi regular basis.

(06-06-2012 09:16 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 10:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  nBE has 13 (soon to be 14, or even 16) football schools, the only way it would implode would be if the Big 12, SEC, Big 10, and in effect, the ACC all expanded at the same time, which is highly unlikely.

Otherwise, if/when the nBE loses any members, they would still be in the position to continue to pick away at the MWC and CUSA.

So those rooting for the nBE to collapse in hopes of somehow flipping the script and having the upper hand on UH, SMU, etc., realistically you're doing so at your own peril.

You're obviously basing this on your own meandering.

The only reason the Big East was able to "pick away at the MWC and CUSA" was based on past history which we all know is gone. The reasons for schools to 2nd guess and for people to think these schools made a bad choice is the present. The Big East wont be picking away at anything if it falls apart. Even if it doesnt fall apart the days of its claims of being a dominant conf due to AQ status are past.

The Big East is like Uncle Rico living off past glory.

No, the Big East was able to cherry pick CUSA and MWC because they will have a better TV deal (even if slightly) and they don't have the amount of dead weight football AND basketball schools that we've got here. The BE all sports members will get a significant payday off the NCAA basketball tournament alone. Meanwhile CUSA has schools in conference that have very little interest in putting a competitive football product on the field, has little to zero fan interest and/or their not allowed to wipe their own a$$ without asking somebody else's permission. Those are the real problems with CUSA and I can't really blame schools for wanting to get away from that. If the NCAA made it easier to form a new conference something would probably be done a lot sooner.

All that said, CUSA is still a better option than the Sunbelt, MAC or MWC but that's not saying a whole lot. Hopefully our new additions will good for the long run because that's what we despately need.

(06-05-2012 11:43 PM)roundsound Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 11:00 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  Ware was right, what he said is what all of us "butt hurt" folks have been telling you guys all along. Cusa could have been a great league that would have overtaken the be if its members had any common sence instead of jumping off the ship on the first decent wave.

This describes human nature. Self interest over community cooperation. Greed over common sense. It might eventually cause our extinction.

This is such a laughable comment. Conferences only exist because it serves EACH SCHOOLS' INDIVIDUAL SELF-INTERESTS. UTEP isn't in CUSA simply to make CUSA a better conference. They want CUSA to be a great conference because in return it enhances UTEP. Where was your sense of "community cooperation" when you, Rice, and Tulsa abandoned the WAC? UTEP joined because CUSA was better for UTEP. Plain and simple.

(06-06-2012 10:01 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 09:16 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 10:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  nBE has 13 (soon to be 14, or even 16) football schools, the only way it would implode would be if the Big 12, SEC, Big 10, and in effect, the ACC all expanded at the same time, which is highly unlikely.

Otherwise, if/when the nBE loses any members, they would still be in the position to continue to pick away at the MWC and CUSA.

So those rooting for the nBE to collapse in hopes of somehow flipping the script and having the upper hand on UH, SMU, etc., realistically you're doing so at your own peril.

You're obviously basing this on your own meandering.

The only reason the Big East was able to "pick away at the MWC and CUSA" was based on past history which we all know is gone. The reasons for schools to 2nd guess and for people to think these schools made a bad choice is the present. The Big East wont be picking away at anything if it falls apart. Even if it doesnt fall apart the days of its claims of being a dominant conf due to AQ status are past.

The Big East is like Uncle Rico living off past glory.

No, the Big East was able to cherry pick CUSA and MWC because they will have a better TV deal (even if slightly) and they don't have the amount of dead weight football AND basketball schools that we've got here. The BE all sports members will get a significant payday off the NCAA basketball tournament alone. Meanwhile CUSA has schools in conference that have very little interest in putting a competitive football product on the field, has little to zero fan interest and/or their not allowed to wipe their own a$$ without asking somebody else's permission.

It will be much more than 'slightly', as Houston, SMU, UCF, Memphis, Boise et al were only making approx $1 Million per year in their conf TV deals that included both football AND basketball...all while the exposure of those conf deals were a joke (Comcast Sports Southeast? CBS College Sports?).

Moving to the Big East should see the all-sports teams increase their TV $$$$ 10 fold or more...let alone the huge increase in exposure, higher attendance (especially in hoops), vs what it would be if they stayed in CUSA.

Andre Ware either had to be on crack yesterday or was just plan stupid.

Check that...50% chance that he was BOTH.

KL....Thanks for pointing out how awesome the Big East TV deal will be. I phrased it like that because I know a lot of people would be quick to say "They're not going to get as much as they think!!" It's pretty amazing that's what you chose to focus on in my long winded post that pointed out the real problems in CUSA.

Blah blah blah BE is awesome better than the SEC. Will get 400,000,000,000 per day contract. Maize has no self esteem. Milf donkey cub squire fans thinks everyone else would drop millions to join then if be falls apart. CUSA sucks, tv contract aq status top 25 etc. that sum it up?

(06-06-2012 10:11 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  KL....Thanks for pointing out how awesome the Big East TV deal will be. I phrased it like that because I know a lot of people would be quick to say "They're not going to get as much as they think!!" It's pretty amazing that's what you chose to focus on in my long winded post that pointed out the real problems in CUSA.

You are welcome.

Bottom line...most wouldn't call a 10 plus fold increase in TV $$$$ "slightly" to say the least, that's all.

(06-06-2012 09:59 AM)panicstricken Wrote:  What does Cougar Highs OOC look like past 2013. I hope Tulsa and Houston keep playing each other on a semi regular basis.

According to FBschedules.com

2013
•09/07 - Louisiana Tech
•09/28 - at UTSA
•10/19 - BYU
•TBA - Rice (at Reliant Stadium)

2014
•08/30 - UTSA
•09/13 - at Louisiana Tech
•09/27 - at BYU

Beyond that seems to be up in the air until we know what the nBE will look like.

I just read this entire thread. Can I have the last 5 minutes of my life back?

lulz at everyone rubbing themselves over what Andre said. Who gives a sh*t. Oh wait, it's June. It's hot. Football is months away and people need to rub themselves.

lulz at the first chance to rub themselves more about Houston.

lulz at Mods not moving the thread even though the others are insta-moved in a heartbeat if the Big East is remotely brought up and Mr. Chubb becomes Mr. Wrinkly.

lulz at the thoughts of Houston begging to get back in. Cmon, lets not be dense. The ship has sailed. And if the New Albatross breaks up the remaining teams will form a separate league and lynch MW/CUSA 3.0 some more. There will be separation. Not because those teams want to do it. But because that is the nature of Bevo/Delany and all those F"n cronies that have made CFB what it is.

lulz at the Mean Green poster moaning about the Texans playoff game. That game was electric. But yes, casual Houston Texans fan is a complete F'n dumb***.

That is all. Keep up the great work.

(06-05-2012 11:35 PM)Billy Free Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 11:29 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 11:10 PM)Kronke Wrote:  nBE invites USM.

I know it's just an example but this will never happen in a million years.

Not even close in fact I am anxiously anticipating who the Big East loses next so I can see who they pick over us, Tulane, UAB, UNLV, APP. st., Pearl River Community College, the list goes on and on. I would be willing to bet the Big East would take all 123 other FBS schools plus a few FCS schools ahead of us.

(06-06-2012 11:37 AM)ShockerBob Wrote:  I just read this entire thread. Can I have the last 5 minutes of my life back?

lulz at everyone rubbing themselves over what Andre said. Who gives a sh*t. Oh wait, it's June. It's hot. Football is months away and people need to rub themselves.

lulz at the first chance to rub themselves more about Houston.

lulz at Mods not moving the thread even though the others are insta-moved in a heartbeat if the Big East is remotely brought up and Mr. Chubb becomes Mr. Wrinkly.

lulz at the thoughts of Houston begging to get back in. Cmon, lets not be dense. The ship has sailed. And if the New Albatross breaks up the remaining teams will form a separate league and lynch MW/CUSA 3.0 some more. There will be separation. Not because those teams want to do it. But because that is the nature of Bevo/Delany and all those F"n cronies that have made CFB what it is.

lulz at the Mean Green poster moaning about the Texans playoff game. That game was electric. But yes, casual Houston Texans fan is a complete F'n dumb***.

That is all. Keep up the great work.

It was electric, but at the same time a joke. Not to mention they were booing Yates after like every bad pass. Give me a freaking break.

The point being is that the Big Least will not be around once this playoff system takes shape. I'd be willing to put $100 down on it.

We keep talking like UH athletics is like UT athletics, rolling in cash. Please. In Houston the pecking order is clearly A&M>>>>UT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UH. UH and SMU aren't these world-beating schools (especially SMU) who are rolling in athletic dough. They'll be lucky to stay in the green after a few bad seasons (especially SMU). Why wouldn't they be in a position where they'd want back in? CUSA isn't going to kick anyone out and any new "East" conference won't want a team from the West with marginal success that got into a conference based on a few years of success (UH) or for reasons unknown (SMU).

Keep in mind I like UH. I rooted for UH. Nearly went there. But please stop puffing out your chests like you have championships. I'm not saying UNT is ideal either, cos we're not, garbage football program that eventually will get better. But be realistic on UH.

(06-06-2012 10:01 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 09:16 AM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 10:53 PM)Kronke Wrote:  nBE has 13 (soon to be 14, or even 16) football schools, the only way it would implode would be if the Big 12, SEC, Big 10, and in effect, the ACC all expanded at the same time, which is highly unlikely.

Otherwise, if/when the nBE loses any members, they would still be in the position to continue to pick away at the MWC and CUSA.

So those rooting for the nBE to collapse in hopes of somehow flipping the script and having the upper hand on UH, SMU, etc., realistically you're doing so at your own peril.

You're obviously basing this on your own meandering.

The only reason the Big East was able to "pick away at the MWC and CUSA" was based on past history which we all know is gone. The reasons for schools to 2nd guess and for people to think these schools made a bad choice is the present. The Big East wont be picking away at anything if it falls apart. Even if it doesnt fall apart the days of its claims of being a dominant conf due to AQ status are past.

The Big East is like Uncle Rico living off past glory.

No, the Big East was able to cherry pick CUSA and MWC because they will have a better TV deal (even if slightly) and they don't have the amount of dead weight football AND basketball schools that we've got here. The BE all sports members will get a significant payday off the NCAA basketball tournament alone. Meanwhile CUSA has schools in conference that have very little interest in putting a competitive football product on the field, has little to zero fan interest and/or their not allowed to wipe their own a$$ without asking somebody else's permission. Those are the real problems with CUSA and I can't really blame schools for wanting to get away from that. If the NCAA made it easier to form a new conference something would probably be done a lot sooner.

All that said, CUSA is still a better option than the Sunbelt, MAC or MWC but that's not saying a whole lot. Hopefully our new additions will good for the long run because that's what we despately need.

I agree with your overall premise, but see the situation from a slightly different perspective.

I like all of our conference partners and think that everyone has substantial "interest" in putting competitive teams on the field and on the court. Some just don't currently have the budget to do it and others have just simply made poor coaching choices on their own or forced hires from outside influences.

For what must be the 100th time I'll repeat that USM gets more results per reported athletic dollar spent than anyone in the country. Those guys are amazing in what they can do with their budget.

Having said all of that, I do agree that there is a wide gap between the top 2 or 3 and the bottom on the field and the court. I can speak from experience because I get the opportunity to see both views depending the calendar in recent seasons. Is that gap any wider for CUSA than other conferences? I don't know.

The only reason that any program leaves CUSA is anticipated revenues. AQ/current BCS process has been revision stage for a long time. The current Big East is CUSA ver1.0 on steroids, minus the ECU/USM football programs and UAB BB. Both the high and low numbers have been blown out of proportion, so we will see where the final number lands. However, even the bottom range of reasonable, known source estimates have the total income in the range of 6 million more than the departing schools currently receive. I think that any of our university administrators would have a hard time explaining why they would turn that down.

Wow, my apologies for the length.

Andre Ware is one of the greatest college QB's to ever step on a field.....

But there is a GOOD reason that he ain't a university prez. Just putting it this way, we have an experienced businesswoman who has led an entire campus resurgence is less than 5 years, and an AD who has no doubt kept a keep eye on the landscape in college sports. I think i'll put my trust in their due dilligence rather than a former player being a "good ole boy" and simply regurgitating his paycheck writer's line. He didn't even bother to offer an alternative in the form of "what they should have done..."

Ware's comments showed nothing here but the fact that he is completely out of touch with his own alma mater, as Schad had already killed the financial argument with his earlier research-driven analysis. You can even see Ware reading off of cue cards, come on man!

(06-06-2012 12:21 PM)meangreener Wrote:  We keep talking like UH athletics is like UT athletics, rolling in cash. Please. In Houston the pecking order is clearly A&M>>>>UT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UH. UH and SMU aren't these world-beating schools (especially SMU) who are rolling in athletic dough. They'll be lucky to stay in the green after a few bad seasons (especially SMU). Why wouldn't they be in a position where they'd want back in? CUSA isn't going to kick anyone out and any new "East" conference won't want a team from the West with marginal success that got into a conference based on a few years of success (UH) or for reasons unknown (SMU).

Keep in mind I like UH. I rooted for UH. Nearly went there. But please stop puffing out your chests like you have championships. I'm not saying UNT is ideal either, cos we're not, garbage football program that eventually will get better. But be realistic on UH.

What are you talking about?

rofl

I'm a UH alum and I also feel like it was a stupid move. I didn't like it from the start. I think it's a decision that UH, SMU, Memphis and UCF will regret. They knew schools were looking for a way out of the BE when all this happened. Hindsight is 20/20, but it seems to me that they really weren't thinking about the shifting that could occur over the next year, maybe even over the next couple of months. Who knows, but it's very possible the Big East collapses to the ACC. Boise State and SDSU could easily return to the MWC if they had to. I don't know what's going to happen, but if the BE loses two more of it's top schools (Louisiville, Cincinatti, Rutgers or UConn), it's over. It's all fools gold.

One more thing. Over the past several years I've enjoyed driving to Tulsa, New Orleans and Hattiesburg for road games. I can't do that anymore. They obviously weren't thinking about the fans either when they made this decision. I can't afford to fly all over America to see my favorite team play. We could be in CUSA right now with 7 or 8 other regional rivals that are all within driving distance. I hope this all works out for the best, but I'm not holding my breath and neither should any other UH fan.

I think the Big East is about to get a pearl necklace from the networks.