(06-09-2012 10:20 PM)meangreener Wrote: Actually, yup. Programs are ranked similarly, not to mention UNT has a lower acceptance rate and a higher 4 year graduation rate. So, you aspire to Tech's heights? Good luck with the Raider Rash. We're similar, but on opposite sides of the spectrum. UH is more of a mechanical school, UNT more liberal. Thus the difference in endowment money, it's no secret that liberal arts don't make as much money as engineering and math.
acceptance % is a meaningless stat.....it assumes that a university has control over the number of applicants and the quality of those applicants
if 1,000 students apply to a university with a 4.0 GPA and a 1350 SAT and all 1,000 are accepted then that school would have a 100% acceptance rate
while another school might have 5,000 applicants and 1,000 of them are accepted with a 3.25 GPA and a 1000 SAT and that school would have a 20% acceptance rate even though the school with the 100% acceptance rate had much better students
if you don't believe that acceptance % is meaningless go to this link and tell everyone that the schools with a lower acceptance rate are better than North Texas State-Denton
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...esult/TX+y
I look forward to you admitting that Texas Southern, PVAMU, UH-Victoria, and Paul Quinn are all better than North Texas State-Denton
and North Texas State Denton has a better graduation rate at the 4 and 5 year mark, but UH is ahead at the 6 year mark which means that over time (6 years) UH graduates more of their total student body than North Texas State-Denton does....while sooner to graduate can pay off for some the goal is to get the degree overall
here are the 6 year rates from 2008-2010 from the THECB
North Texas state-Denton
67.2% 68.7% 70.6%
UH
69.5% 68.9% 71.4%
(06-09-2012 10:31 PM)meangreener Wrote: UH continues to beat their chest and talk about Tier 1 as if the only thing that matters is endowment.
Not true.
Anyway, Texas has made it clear that they are now making Tier 1 much wider than it formerly was. So, you are still not in the elite A&M, UT group and even if you hit Tier 1, same deal, buddy. Because it's highly likely that when UH hits Tier 1, that TTU, TSSM, UTD, UNT, and UTSA will also get tier 1 funding.
From the mouth of another UH grad I know: "We're Tier 1, but everyone still knows we're just UH." Apathetic graduates, man.
endowment is only 1 criteria for getting NRUF funding.....UH met 4 criteria and the restricted research criteria and UH and Texas Tech are getting NRUF funding starting next year
North Texas State-Denton did not meet the restricted research criteria and they only met one of the other 6 criteria so North Texas state-Denton will not be getting NRUF funding any time soon and in fact the "goal" for North Texas State-Denton to get NRUF funding is 2018 and they are already behind on their "goals" for growing restricted research to make the 2018 "goal"
and Texas did not make the criteria "wider" they elevated TxState to emerging research based on TxState meeting the criteria to be classified as an emerging research university, but the criteria for NRUF funding remain the same......45 million in restricted research and then also meeting 4 out of 6 criteria
UH also enrolls a larger % of students in the top 10% of their HS class....and since UH is a larger university and since students in the top 10% of their HS class have a choice of any public university in Texas (other than UT currently and possibly TAMU in the future) that means that students in the top 10% of their HS class make a CHOICE to attend UH over North Texas State-Denton
here are the %s from 2007-2011
North Texas State-Denton
15.5% 16.4% 16.5% 17.7% 18.7%
UH
17.7% 15.9% 17.6% 18.6% 27.9%
North Texas State Denton was ahead a single year, but UH still moved ahead again the next year and put a great deal of distance on North Texas State-Denton in 2011
and it is funny you accuse UH of putting diversity ahead of academics when it is actually North Texas State-Denton that decided to not increase enrollment requirements for 2012 or 2013 while UH has increased theirs over North Texas State-Denton since 2011 and they will increase them again in the next two years
http://www.uh.edu/admissions/apply/apply.../index.php
http://www.unt.edu/vwbk/admission.htm
UH also has higher admissions for engineering, their ranked college of business, and their ranked college of hotel restaurant management
you say UH is a "mechanical" school (whatever that is), but you leave out their ranked college of business, their ranked hotel restaurant programs, their natural sciences, their architecture, their pharmacy, and their optometry programs
(06-09-2012 10:39 PM)meangreener Wrote: We meet three. Our endowment is increasing at a rapid pace; it already will increase by an astronomical $90 million at the start of the 2012 fall semester. Who knows, we may hit the PhD one soon, we're pretty close.
this is incorrect....North Texas State-Denton met a single criteria out of the 6.....they are a member of Phi Kappa Phi.......and every one of the emerging research universities met that criteria except for TxState.....at the time of the report UTSA did not meet that criteria, but since then UTSA is now listed on the Phi Kappa Phi website as a member and I am sure TxState will be sooner than later
that particular criteria could have been met 3 ways......member of Phi Beta Kappa, member of Phi Kappa Phi, or a national research library........Texas Tech was all 3 and UH was a member of PKP and an NRL.......all of the others met that criteria by being a member of PKP
so North Texas State-Denton tied with UTSA meeting a single criteria out of 6 while UTA and UTEP met two and UTD met three with UH and Texas Tech meeting 4
North Texas State-Denton is dead last behind even TxState in the first criteria that must be met (45 million in restricted research) and they are behind their "planned goals" by several million dollars just a year into that "plan"
(06-09-2012 10:49 PM)meangreener Wrote: North Texas was pretty good in the 70s. Things would probably have gone a bit differently had we beaten Texas under Hayden Fry. But, yeah, football strongly favors UH. Obviously.
sure if you consider 5 losing seasons, 4 winning seasons, and one 5-5 season as "good" along with 52-55 overall
and UH has actually beaten Texas 7 out of 23 times while North Texas State-Denton is 0-9 (1-8 if you give them "the refs stoleded dat won!!")