(06-05-2012 04:42 PM)General Mike Wrote: Get BYU and get the Vegas bowl to go with Poinsettia. That would give us 2 western bowls, one in a premier travel destination. Then add one of Armed Forces, Ticket City or Houston Bowl to go with Champs, Liberty, Charlotte, Pinstripe and St. Pete. Probably have to hold onto Birmingham for a 9th bowl in a 14 team league.
Need a bigger bowl besides the Champ Sports Bowl. Big East/ACC should try creating their bowl big bowl game or try getting the Gator Bowl or Outback Bowl.
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(06-05-2012 03:00 PM)True Bearcat Wrote: What about the Holiday Bowl?
And just for the record. Bruce Binkowski runs both the Holiday Bowl and Poinsettia Bowl.
I just heard an interview with Bruce the other day and he says when the latest Holiday contract is up that the Holiday Bowl is going to try to challenge the Big 4/5 Bowls with payout money to attempt to become of the the top $$$ bowls.
(06-05-2012 04:42 PM)General Mike Wrote: Get BYU and get the Vegas bowl to go with Poinsettia. That would give us 2 western bowls, one in a premier travel destination. Then add one of Armed Forces, Ticket City or Houston Bowl to go with Champs, Liberty, Charlotte, Pinstripe and St. Pete. Probably have to hold onto Birmingham for a 9th bowl in a 14 team league.
Need a bigger bowl besides the Champ Sports Bowl. Big East/ACC should try creating their bowl big bowl game or try getting the Gator Bowl or Outback Bowl.
This should be our priority. These smaller bowls will always be available, especially with the Top-4 hogging all the major bowl slots and the WAC likley signing off as a football conference.
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Pointsetta Bowl is a good location. I hope BE will sign up for a bowl game in the new 49er stadium against the PAC-12. Two CA bowls should be the goal since it is much more fun visiting CA in December than say El Paso.
(06-05-2012 05:31 PM)SF Husky Wrote: Pointsetta Bowl is a good location. I hope BE will sign up for a bowl game in the new 49er stadium against the PAC-12. Two CA bowls should be the goal since it is much more fun visiting CA in December than say El Paso.
I think the Poinsetta Bowl and Las Vegas Bowls are fine for what they are. There are few bowls out west so those will serve the purpose well enough. Its not like we are going to get the Rose Bowl and Im pretty sure the Fiesta is unlikley as well. Like you said, the Poinsetta and Las Vegas offer nice destinations and will represent nice trips for our lower ranking bowl qualifiers. Im actually more concerned that we may not have much to offer our champ or runner up---espcially a western champ. I dont want Boise to win the league, finish just outside the top 4 and end up in the Las Vegas Bowl.
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(06-05-2012 04:42 PM)General Mike Wrote: Get BYU and get the Vegas bowl to go with Poinsettia. That would give us 2 western bowls, one in a premier travel destination. Then add one of Armed Forces, Ticket City or Houston Bowl to go with Champs, Liberty, Charlotte, Pinstripe and St. Pete. Probably have to hold onto Birmingham for a 9th bowl in a 14 team league.
Need a bigger bowl besides the Champ Sports Bowl. Big East/ACC should try creating their bowl big bowl game or try getting the Gator Bowl or Outback Bowl.
Eh I figured whoever the Big East champ will be able to get a spot in the Fiesta or Orange or Sugar Bowl most years. Unless we have another Pitt/ UConn situation.
The Ticket City bowl doesn't blow anyone away with it's tradition and prestige, but it has done fairly well. It's played in the Cotton Bowl and the last two matchups have drawn well (Texas Tech-Northwestern, Houston-Penn State). Dallas is the biggest city in the South and #4 in the U.S., so it's a decent destination (better than Charlotte, Shreveport, Nashville, Birmingham, etc).
The weather is quirky - it could be in the 80's or in the 20's.
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(06-05-2012 01:53 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: Right now there are not ton's of bowls available, you are simply trying to fill holes with the best available. Poinsettia makes sense as an add for Navy, and SDstate.
And it beats the heck out of the Sun Bowl in this sense. San Diego is sometimes referred to as America's Finest City. El Paso? It's sometimes called El Armpit.
But close for Houston and SMU fans.
Not trying to start petty disagreements, but El Paso is 737 miles from Houston...I have made that drive a few times and it is nearly 12 hours of torture. Dallas, New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham, etc are all closer. Florida is 3 hours closer to Houston than El Paso.
Yep! I'm in Houston, and Tampa is closer to me than El Paso. I've driven them both! Texas is biiiiiiiiig.
(06-05-2012 07:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: The Ticket City bowl doesn't blow anyone away with it's tradition and prestige, but it has done fairly well. It's played in the Cotton Bowl and the last two matchups gave drawn well (Texas Tech-Northwestern, Houston-Penn State). Dallas is the biggest city in the South and #4 in the U.S., so it's a decent destination (better than Charlotte, Shreveport, Nashville, Birmingham, etc).
The weather is quirky - it could be in the 80's or in the 20's.
Very rare in Dallas for it to be in the 20's seeing the AVERAGE high in January is around 60. That would be almost 40 degrees below average. It's more likely to be in the 70's or 80s than it is 20's, as that is closer to average. And yes, I used to live in North Texas, I am familiar with Blue Northers. But 80% of the winter in DFW is mild to warm, similar in climate to South Georgia.
Just for kicks I researched last years January Weather in Dallas. The Average High the entire month was 62F. There were 21 days where it was at least 60F and many of those were above 70F. On the contrary, there were ZERO days in the 20s or even 30s. The coldest high was 42F.
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(06-05-2012 05:27 PM)tnzazz Wrote: Liberty Bowl is a done deal and the payout is bigger then most bowls if I'm not mistaken. It would be perfect for a Big East vs SEC/Big12 match up.
I agree, we just need a higher matchup than SEC #8 or whatever it is now.
(06-05-2012 03:00 PM)True Bearcat Wrote: What about the Holiday Bowl?
And just for the record. Bruce Binkowski runs both the Holiday Bowl and Poinsettia Bowl.
I just heard an interview with Bruce the other day and he says when the latest Holiday contract is up that the Holiday Bowl is going to try to challenge the Big 4/5 Bowls with payout money to attempt to become of the the top $$$ bowls.
With Memphis we got the Liberty locked up....and that's a great bowl. The UC fans had a fun down there vs Vandy and the crowd was pretty good. (granted Vandy is close but still...UC took a lot of people).
I would take Poinsettia if we got a Pac12 or B12 team for sure.
I imagine all these deals being done now are only for a couple of years, until the next round of sign ups for bowls. BE, and SEC need to add a bowl or 2, Wac won't need theirs anymore. MWC may flip one or 2 with the old Wac bowls.
(06-05-2012 07:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: The Ticket City bowl doesn't blow anyone away with it's tradition and prestige, but it has done fairly well. It's played in the Cotton Bowl and the last two matchups gave drawn well (Texas Tech-Northwestern, Houston-Penn State). Dallas is the biggest city in the South and #4 in the U.S., so it's a decent destination (better than Charlotte, Shreveport, Nashville, Birmingham, etc).
The weather is quirky - it could be in the 80's or in the 20's.
Very rare in Dallas for it to be in the 20's seeing the AVERAGE high in January is around 60. That would be almost 40 degrees below average. It's more likely to be in the 70's or 80s than it is 20's, as that is closer to average. And yes, I used to live in North Texas, I am familiar with Blue Northers. But 80% of the winter in DFW is mild to warm, similar in climate to South Georgia.
Just for kicks I researched last years January Weather in Dallas. The Average High the entire month was 62F. There were 21 days where it was at least 60F and many of those were above 70F. On the contrary, there were ZERO days in the 20s or even 30s. The coldest high was 42F.
I've been here 26+ years. We're usually between 55 and 60 in January. But in the week before last year's Super Bowl, we never got above 20. It was horrible - the coldest weather since the 1980's.
Your point is correct ... usually pretty good weather for a bowl.
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Quote:It lists the following bowl games as possibilities: the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl, the Hawaii Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl in Texas and the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.
Per the article the BE is interested in more then just the Poinsettia Bowl. I think the Poinsettia in San Diego, Armed Forces in Texas and Liberty in Memphis would be good bowl pick ups for the conference. On the other hand, I don't think the Las Vegas or Hawaii would be that attractive for the conference. What do our new western members think?
(06-05-2012 07:05 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: The Ticket City bowl doesn't blow anyone away with it's tradition and prestige, but it has done fairly well. It's played in the Cotton Bowl and the last two matchups gave drawn well (Texas Tech-Northwestern, Houston-Penn State). Dallas is the biggest city in the South and #4 in the U.S., so it's a decent destination (better than Charlotte, Shreveport, Nashville, Birmingham, etc).
The weather is quirky - it could be in the 80's or in the 20's.
Very rare in Dallas for it to be in the 20's seeing the AVERAGE high in January is around 60. That would be almost 40 degrees below average. It's more likely to be in the 70's or 80s than it is 20's, as that is closer to average. And yes, I used to live in North Texas, I am familiar with Blue Northers. But 80% of the winter in DFW is mild to warm, similar in climate to South Georgia.
Just for kicks I researched last years January Weather in Dallas. The Average High the entire month was 62F. There were 21 days where it was at least 60F and many of those were above 70F. On the contrary, there were ZERO days in the 20s or even 30s. The coldest high was 42F.
I've been here 26+ years. We're usually between 55 and 60 in January. But in the week before last year's Super Bowl, we never got above 20. It was horrible - the coldest weather since the 1980's.
Your point is correct ... usually pretty good weather for a bowl.
Joe Montana on occasion or two, when asked to talked about that miracle comeback, talks how COLD it was at the Cotton Bowl back on Jan 1, 1979...as the HIGH that day was only 24 degrees.
That freezing weather that gripped much of DFW for most of the SuperBowl Week recently....those that were there said it was cold as HECK! (And that was from people that flew in from NY, WI, CO, etc...!)
Quote:It lists the following bowl games as possibilities: the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl, the Hawaii Bowl, Las Vegas Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl in Texas and the Liberty Bowl in Memphis.
Per the article the BE is interested in more then just the Poinsettia Bowl. I think the Poinsettia in San Diego, Armed Forces in Texas and Liberty in Memphis would be good bowl pick ups for the conference. On the other hand, I don't think the Las Vegas or Hawaii would be that attractive for the conference. What do our new western members think?
I guess I don't know a lot about the game itself, but it just seems to me like Las Vegas would be an appealing travel destination for a bowl game.
Well if the Holiday bowl is looking to get a better matchup they won't get it from the PAC or Big 12. Their top two teams in theory will be locked up in the playoffs or the rose and new Big 12 bowl with the SEC. Truth is the third and fourth place teams From the PAC or Big 12 aren't very good therefore they don't draw well enough and the games aren't as good as they use to be back when the Holiday bowl started.
The bowl landscape has completely done a 180 in the past few months. It use to be that the teams would fight over themselves to get into the bowls with the highest payouts. Now the teams are creating new bowls and dictating who will be in them. The TV money has completely trumped any single bowl payout. Don't be surprised if the BE number one or two team ends up in the Holiday bowl if the money for that bowl is competitive with the current bowl that takes BE number one team. Probably against a third place PAC team would be my guess.
