BYU is hoping for an invitation to the Big 12 and I think they will eventually get it.

(04-07-2012 03:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 02:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

I wasn't a fan at first but i've now been won over by the 16 team conference broken into quads. That can offer BYU the national schedule they so desperately want as well as offering our TV partners two extra games of quality content. Which could help our TV deal.

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD

Mid-West:
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

South:
Cincy
UofL
USF
UCF

North-East:
Rutgers
UConn
Navy
Temple

Division A plays its own division (3 games), the whole division B (4 games) and then the team who finished in the same place the season before from the other two divisions C&D (2 Games). For example 1st place from division A would play 1st place from division C&D, and 2nd place would play the two 2nd place teams and so forth. Then the following year they would play all of division C while playing the teams who finished in the same position in division B&D and so on.

I call that the NFL style.

In order to entice BYU further i'd agree to a scheduling agreement for Basketball and if they want then also the other olympic sports.

No thanks, just leave it at 13 (or 12 if UofL was to leave), no need to water down an already mediocre conference.

I've said for six months... whatever conference can give BYU the most in their demands for television rights for their network, will be the conference they join. The home replay rights are very important to them - now that the Big East has more than 12 full members they can give to needs of Navy (with CBS) and BYU (their own network) more freely.

(04-08-2012 10:13 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 03:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 02:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

I wasn't a fan at first but i've now been won over by the 16 team conference broken into quads. That can offer BYU the national schedule they so desperately want as well as offering our TV partners two extra games of quality content. Which could help our TV deal.

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD

Mid-West:
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

South:
Cincy
UofL
USF
UCF

North-East:
Rutgers
UConn
Navy
Temple

Division A plays its own division (3 games), the whole division B (4 games) and then the team who finished in the same place the season before from the other two divisions C&D (2 Games). For example 1st place from division A would play 1st place from division C&D, and 2nd place would play the two 2nd place teams and so forth. Then the following year they would play all of division C while playing the teams who finished in the same position in division B&D and so on.

I call that the NFL style.

In order to entice BYU further i'd agree to a scheduling agreement for Basketball and if they want then also the other olympic sports.

No thanks, just leave it at 13 (or 12 if UofL was to leave), no need to water down an already mediocre conference.

Leave it at 13? That's not even close to the right call. Don't forget that Cincy was the SD st of the last set of big east additions. They weren't all that special in cusa.

(04-09-2012 08:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 10:13 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 03:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 02:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

I wasn't a fan at first but i've now been won over by the 16 team conference broken into quads. That can offer BYU the national schedule they so desperately want as well as offering our TV partners two extra games of quality content. Which could help our TV deal.

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD

Mid-West:
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

South:
Cincy
UofL
USF
UCF

North-East:
Rutgers
UConn
Navy
Temple

Division A plays its own division (3 games), the whole division B (4 games) and then the team who finished in the same place the season before from the other two divisions C&D (2 Games). For example 1st place from division A would play 1st place from division C&D, and 2nd place would play the two 2nd place teams and so forth. Then the following year they would play all of division C while playing the teams who finished in the same position in division B&D and so on.

I call that the NFL style.

In order to entice BYU further i'd agree to a scheduling agreement for Basketball and if they want then also the other olympic sports.

No thanks, just leave it at 13 (or 12 if UofL was to leave), no need to water down an already mediocre conference.

Leave it at 13? That's not even close to the right call. Don't forget that Cincy was the SD st of the last set of big east additions. They weren't all that special in cusa.

The 13th isn't coming until when, 2015? By that time other conference expansions will have been worked out. If Louisville was to leave by then, there would be no need to add 2 more mediocre programs. Also, I disagree with that comparison. Louisville and Cincinnati were in the best position of any C-USA school to go AQ. Also it was an all sports invite and Cincinnati was coming off 14 straight NCAA tournaments, so kind of like adding Memphis this round...Cincinnati had immediate value (had the program not been gutted by our own administration). I was never on board with this western expansion of a conference, it is a really pathetic attempt to maintain the AQ which is going away. If that isn't going to remain, then this random compilation of teams was a miserable decision.

(04-07-2012 04:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Big East TV negotiations start in Sept, so we should know by mid-summer at the latest. Prob by June is my guess.

I agree.

We should also know by June whether the Big 12 will be expanding for the 2013 season. I don't think anyone wants to go through the lawsuits again spawned by less than 12 months notice.

I hope the BIG EAST television negotiations help the conference start a BIG EAST Network.

I watch BTN frequently and would love to have a BEASTV channel.

(04-09-2012 08:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 10:13 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 03:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 02:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

I wasn't a fan at first but i've now been won over by the 16 team conference broken into quads. That can offer BYU the national schedule they so desperately want as well as offering our TV partners two extra games of quality content. Which could help our TV deal.

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD

Mid-West:
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

South:
Cincy
UofL
USF
UCF

North-East:
Rutgers
UConn
Navy
Temple

Division A plays its own division (3 games), the whole division B (4 games) and then the team who finished in the same place the season before from the other two divisions C&D (2 Games). For example 1st place from division A would play 1st place from division C&D, and 2nd place would play the two 2nd place teams and so forth. Then the following year they would play all of division C while playing the teams who finished in the same position in division B&D and so on.

I call that the NFL style.

In order to entice BYU further i'd agree to a scheduling agreement for Basketball and if they want then also the other olympic sports.

No thanks, just leave it at 13 (or 12 if UofL was to leave), no need to water down an already mediocre conference.

Leave it at 13? That's not even close to the right call. Don't forget that Cincy was the SD st of the last set of big east additions. They weren't all that special in cusa.

They weren't even that good, they were the Memphis of that round of additions.

(04-09-2012 08:56 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 10:13 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 03:38 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-07-2012 02:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

I wasn't a fan at first but i've now been won over by the 16 team conference broken into quads. That can offer BYU the national schedule they so desperately want as well as offering our TV partners two extra games of quality content. Which could help our TV deal.

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD

Mid-West:
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

South:
Cincy
UofL
USF
UCF

North-East:
Rutgers
UConn
Navy
Temple

Division A plays its own division (3 games), the whole division B (4 games) and then the team who finished in the same place the season before from the other two divisions C&D (2 Games). For example 1st place from division A would play 1st place from division C&D, and 2nd place would play the two 2nd place teams and so forth. Then the following year they would play all of division C while playing the teams who finished in the same position in division B&D and so on.

I call that the NFL style.

In order to entice BYU further i'd agree to a scheduling agreement for Basketball and if they want then also the other olympic sports.

No thanks, just leave it at 13 (or 12 if UofL was to leave), no need to water down an already mediocre conference.

Leave it at 13? That's not even close to the right call. Don't forget that Cincy was the SD st of the last set of big east additions. They weren't all that special in cusa.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

I would vote to hold for now and if UL stays and everything else remains the same, add any western 14th team to offset Navy for 2015. If UL leaves, stick at 12. Adding more just to add makes no sense to me.

(04-09-2012 05:18 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I've said for six months... whatever conference can give BYU the most in their demands for television rights for their network, will be the conference they join. The home replay rights are very important to them - now that the Big East has more than 12 full members they can give to needs of Navy (with CBS) and BYU (their own network) more freely.

You may be right... The BE may just end up bending over backwards (as long as it's not FRONTWARDS) to accomodate BYU. I wish the BE wouldn't consider doing that, but I bet they will.

I guess this one point still characterizes BYU as "in play".

I guess my question is....how much is matchups with BYU really worth? It is a legit question actually.

Let's just say for a 2nd....the Big East would be willing to give BYU their sweetheart deal they seek.....would the the value of the 4 BYU road games each year....plus having the BYU name associated with your league....be worth the trouble versus say having Fresno State and all 8 of their conference games in the mix.

Just thinking out loud.....games like BYU @ Boise state or BYU @ Navy every other year are probably worth quite a bit more than Fresno State v Boise or Fresno State v Navy. Not saying it is a slam dunk either way....but I bet the monetary values between the two are pretty close.

The strength of BYU's brand (and fan following) would be a great asset. I am hopeful that agreements can be made to entice them which do not adversely affect other Big East members in any way.

I'd approach BYU dangling some guaranteed games against the hoops members each year. Guarantee say 4 Big East games against Memphis, Temple, or the other big name basketball schools that will help BYU's RPI and help the WCC as well as get televised. Guarantee them 2 games each year in Provo and 2 road games. Maybe try to set up a regular rotating game in Madison Square Garden between BYU and one of the NYC area schools. That'd be a nice incentive to get them on board to support FB.

(04-08-2012 09:53 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  BYU is hoping for an invitation to the Big 12 and I think they will eventually get it.

In the meantime, if BYU fans on the MWC are correct, through their deal with ESPN they are going to earn as much money as they would if they joined the BE. Ergo, BYU ain't comin'.

(04-10-2012 12:34 AM)Fireman451 Wrote:  I hope the BIG EAST television negotiations help the conference start a BIG EAST Network.

I watch BTN frequently and would love to have a BEASTV channel.

It can't be done in a Mickey Mouse fashion, however. I've loved The Mtn. network PROVIDED the programming was in HD. However, only football games and basketball tournament games have been in HD. Regular season hoops have been of just abysmal quality. Damn near unwatchable because they wanted to save money.

Mom always said a job worth doing is a job worth doing right. The guys who run The Mtn. obviously had a different mom than I did.

(04-11-2012 11:34 AM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 09:53 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  BYU is hoping for an invitation to the Big 12 and I think they will eventually get it.

In the meantime, if BYU fans on the MWC are correct, through their deal with ESPN they are going to earn as much money as they would if they joined the BE. Ergo, BYU ain't comin'.

That still doesn't solve their scheduling problems. They are losing season ticket holders who don't like the Friday night games and the weak home schedules.

(04-11-2012 11:56 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(04-11-2012 11:34 AM)SleepingGiantsFan Wrote:  

(04-08-2012 09:53 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  BYU is hoping for an invitation to the Big 12 and I think they will eventually get it.

In the meantime, if BYU fans on the MWC are correct, through their deal with ESPN they are going to earn as much money as they would if they joined the BE. Ergo, BYU ain't comin'.

That still doesn't solve their scheduling problems. They are losing season ticket holders who don't like the Friday night games and the weak home schedules.

A couple of Things---

1) If the Big East gets a contract in the 10-15 million a year range, most of the problems with BYU are eliminated. The Big 12 doesnt need to make any special concessions to BYU and wont. The Big East is in a position to give BYU a raise and most of what they want.

2) The biggest problem the fans have with BYU independence is not just the weak schedule, but the weak and meaningless late season schedule. Not only do independents have dificulty scheduling good teams later in the year, the games played have no meaning without the context of a conference championship race. Unless BYU is in the hunt for a national championship, the late season games against crappy teams have little meaning and garner little interest. If BYU is interested in exposure--then they are losing thier audience late in the season.

The Big East is still a good viable option for BYU. However, the church hierchy makes those kind of decisions for BYU. The metrics they use are completely different than most school administrators. That said, I still think a nationwide schedule, meaningful late season games, and connections with a BCS conference with a strong stable of post season bowls would have value to the church leaders who are interested in exposure AND maintaining as much control over their own football TV rights as possible.

I have said all along that for BYU it will come down to seeing if the BE tv contract gives them visibility and mre money that what they get from ESPN.

What happens if The Big East expands to 14 with either Air Force or Fresno and one year from now BYU decides they want to join, does the Big East make room for them?

(04-11-2012 03:54 PM)Boisestate78 Wrote:  What happens if The Big East expands to 14 with either Air Force or Fresno and one year from now BYU decides they want to join, does the Big East make room for them?

Yes. They would match them with with either Air Force or Fresno (whoever wasnt chosen as the 14th member) to go to 16. Of course, if Louisville were to leave, then BYU simply takes thier place and the BE stays at 14. BYU is probably the only team they would do that for.