(04-06-2012 03:27 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to say that, when NOT comparing money between the BE and B12 or even BCS status, the BE makes more sense than the B12. I know some would think that that's an idiotic statement and I could understand why some would say that. But the BE provides BYU with a national schedule; with games against western opponents in SDSU and Boise State, and then games in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast. The Northeast has a decent amount of LDS followers. I will say that the B12 does have more appealing opponents for BYU in Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and others. I agree with Frank that if it was up to BYU's AD and President, BYU would already be in a conference.

THIS!!!

Seriously, this is what the LDS leaders always wanted. They wanted to play a national schedule and the Big East offers that. They can also keep playing ND since the Big East and ND have a scheduling agreement in place to play 2-3 Big East teams a year. We'll see if the Pitt and 'Cuse games stay on the ND schedule.

If BYU comes I think UofL stays.

Though I would like to go to 16 and bring in Fresno and AF.

West:
BYU
Boise
SD
Fresno
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

East:
UofL
Cincy
Rutgers
Temple
UConn
Navy
USF
UCF

Thats a badass conference right there!

(04-06-2012 03:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  West:
BYU
Boise
SD
Fresno
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

East:
UofL
Cincy
Rutgers
Temple
UConn
Navy
USF
UCF

Thats a badass conference right there!

Agreed. It's the kind of "best of the rest" conference I've thought was inevitable if the SEC, Pac, B1G, B12 and ACC decided against expanding to 16.

(04-06-2012 03:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Though I would like to go to 16 and bring in Fresno and AF.

West:
BYU
Boise
SD
Fresno
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

East:
UofL
Cincy
Rutgers
Temple
UConn
Navy
USF
UCF

Thats a badass conference right there!

That would be badass.

(04-06-2012 03:27 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to say that, when NOT comparing money between the BE and B12 or even BCS status, the BE makes more sense than the B12. I know some would think that that's an idiotic statement and I could understand why some would say that. But the BE provides BYU with a national schedule; with games against western opponents in SDSU and Boise State, and then games in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast. The Northeast has a decent amount of LDS followers. I will say that the B12 does have more appealing opponents for BYU in Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and others. I agree with Frank that if it was up to BYU's AD and President, BYU would already be in a conference.

Great point and that is exactly why they want their rebroadcasting rights. Where your argue stops at USA... LDS chruch wants to boardcast to the whole world literally.

Redman,

I'd actually switch the divisions that BYU and Navy are in and you may be on to something. Putting them in those divisions doesn't exactly give them that "National" feel that I was hinting at.

(04-06-2012 03:58 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 03:27 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to say that, when NOT comparing money between the BE and B12 or even BCS status, the BE makes more sense than the B12. I know some would think that that's an idiotic statement and I could understand why some would say that. But the BE provides BYU with a national schedule; with games against western opponents in SDSU and Boise State, and then games in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast. The Northeast has a decent amount of LDS followers. I will say that the B12 does have more appealing opponents for BYU in Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and others. I agree with Frank that if it was up to BYU's AD and President, BYU would already be in a conference.

Great point and that is exactly why they want their rebroadcasting rights. Where your argue stops at USA... LDS chruch wants to boardcast to the whole world literally.

Also if they go to 16 the 5 western FB only schools could basically single handily save the WAC. Those 5 plus Seattle, Denver and maybe Portland would be a legit all but FB conference.

(04-06-2012 03:58 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 03:27 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to say that, when NOT comparing money between the BE and B12 or even BCS status, the BE makes more sense than the B12. I know some would think that that's an idiotic statement and I could understand why some would say that. But the BE provides BYU with a national schedule; with games against western opponents in SDSU and Boise State, and then games in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast. The Northeast has a decent amount of LDS followers. I will say that the B12 does have more appealing opponents for BYU in Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and others. I agree with Frank that if it was up to BYU's AD and President, BYU would already be in a conference.

Great point and that is exactly why they want their rebroadcasting rights. Where your argue stops at USA... LDS chruch wants to boardcast to the whole world literally.

I think that's where great negotiating comes into play. You give them those 3rd Tier rights only for home games, but they have to give up something on another front.

(04-06-2012 03:58 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Redman,

I'd actually switch the divisions that BYU and Navy are in and you may be on to something. Putting them in those divisions doesn't exactly give them that "National" feel that I was hinting at.

Yeah but they wouldnt be getting any of the western teams on the schedule. I mean they would need to create non-geographic divisions then.

Big:
Rutgers
BYU
USF
AF
SMU
SD
Cincy
Temple

East:
Boise
UConn
Houston
Fresno
Navy
UCF
UofL
Memphis

Split the FL, TX and CA teams into different divisions just like the UC/UofL and the Navy/Temple/Rutgers/UConn corridor. Every division team would have a cross over rival.

Rutgers/Uconn, SMU/Houston, SD/Fresno, UCF/USF, Navy/AF, Cincy/UofL, BYU/Boise, Memphis/Temple.

Louisville will not turn down a Big 12 invite to stay and play with BYU! Neither will Cincinnati!

BYU will ask too much from Big12. I could see them coming in at the same time as Navy after their Indy contract has a few years in the belt and they can compare what BE football gets and what thy get

(04-06-2012 04:46 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Louisville will not turn down a Big 12 invite to stay and play with BYU! Neither will Cincinnati!

You mean that invite thats been coming for the last few months? Without BYU, UofL wont get an invite.

OK, I am shattered!

(04-06-2012 05:24 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  OK, I am shattered!

The coffee smilie doesn't fool anyone who has been on this board the last few months.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see BYU end up in The BEast. But I doubt BYU coming to The BEast would make UofL or UC change any expansion decisions...

(04-06-2012 12:43 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  This definitely the reason it is taking the Beast so long to announce the new western partner. Byu, AFa, Fresno in that order.

Why not all three?

EAST ***

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
USF
UCF

WEST ***

SMU
Houston
Boise
BYU
Navy
Air Force
Fresno
SDSU

I would like that 16 team conf. doubt it happens, but it would be great for TV deal.

(04-06-2012 06:00 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I doubt BYU coming to The BEast would make UofL or UC change any expansion decisions...

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I haven't heard a peep about UC. Is there a source for that speculation? I would be surprised if Texas moves off its desire for 10 teams, and some of the teams mentioned are starkly different from the rural schools that are in the Big 12.

BEH, IMO Rutgers is the Big XII's desired choice over UC, if another BEast team is in the mix. Although I won't be convinced of anything until I see the press release. Right now, everyone is either guessing or hoping...

(04-06-2012 06:52 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  BEH, IMO Rutgers is the Big XII's desired choice over UC, if another BEast team is in the mix. Although I won't be convinced of anything until I see the press release. Right now, everyone is either guessing or hoping...

Thanks bit. I asked because I saw Wilkie mention UC and I thought I must've missed a recent Chip Brown report. You know how quickly this stuff happens. Although for some, I guess it's not moving quickly enough.

(04-06-2012 06:11 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 12:43 PM)PoiseState Wrote:  This definitely the reason it is taking the Beast so long to announce the new western partner. Byu, AFa, Fresno in that order.

Why not all three?

EAST ***

UConn
Rutgers
Temple
Cincinnati
Louisville
Memphis
USF
UCF

WEST ***

SMU
Houston
Boise
BYU
Navy
Air Force
Fresno
SDSU

I dont get why people are so interested in Navy being in the west. Memphis is much better suited for that honor.