(04-06-2012 06:00 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see BYU end up in The BEast. But I doubt BYU coming to The BEast would make UofL or UC change any expansion decisions...

Well brining in BYU would enhance the Big East TV deal and if its close enough to the Big XII then what would be the point of moving when those two could stay with it's rivals. Also I doubt the Big XII has an interest in UC. If they go to 12 they want BYU and UofL and if BYU says no then I doubt they expand.

I think from this article....all we can conclude is something most of us already knew.....BYU was/is going to face some scheduling issues.

We knew that last year when they were talking about how they would be the next Notre Dame.....and nothing has changed since then.

I also agree with what many have pointed out in that BYU is a hard to read institution. Who knows what they will do.

Also, there seems to be a "chicken or the egg" issue here....BYU is concerned about how much money the BE TV contract will draw....but it is hard to determine how much that contract will truely draw until we know who all of the members are. I would think the 14th member would at least need to be announced prior to the negotiations beginning in September 2012.

(04-06-2012 08:18 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  I think from this article....all we can conclude is something most of us already knew.....BYU was/is going to face some scheduling issues.

We knew that last year when they were talking about how they would be the next Notre Dame.....and nothing has changed since then.

I also agree with what many have pointed out in that BYU is a hard to read institution. Who knows what they will do.

Also, there seems to be a "chicken or the egg" issue here....BYU is concerned about how much money the BE TV contract will draw....but it is hard to determine how much that contract will truely draw until we know who all of the members are. I would think the 14th member would at least need to be announced prior to the negotiations beginning in September 2012.

Maybe a BBall scheduling deal would help sway BYU. FB only but 3-4 BBall games against Big East teams every year. Playing in two of these cities every year NYC, DC, Philly, Dallas, Tampa, Houston or Cincinnati would work towards their goal of spreading LDS.

(04-06-2012 01:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Didn't West Virginia say recently they wanted a partner in the east as the next member of the Big 12?

who gives a rats azz what west virginia wants, forever .500 in the big12.

(04-06-2012 03:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 03:27 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to say that, when NOT comparing money between the BE and B12 or even BCS status, the BE makes more sense than the B12. I know some would think that that's an idiotic statement and I could understand why some would say that. But the BE provides BYU with a national schedule; with games against western opponents in SDSU and Boise State, and then games in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast. The Northeast has a decent amount of LDS followers. I will say that the B12 does have more appealing opponents for BYU in Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and others. I agree with Frank that if it was up to BYU's AD and President, BYU would already be in a conference.

THIS!!!

Seriously, this is what the LDS leaders always wanted. They wanted to play a national schedule and the Big East offers that. They can also keep playing ND since the Big East and ND have a scheduling agreement in place to play 2-3 Big East teams a year. We'll see if the Pitt and 'Cuse games stay on the ND schedule.

If BYU comes I think UofL stays.

Though I would like to go to 16 and bring in Fresno and AF.

West:
BYU
Boise
SD
Fresno
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

East:
UofL
Cincy
Rutgers
Temple
UConn
Navy
USF
UCF

Thats a badass conference right there!

Man, I couldn't agree with this more. Hands down one hell of a confrence. My

I still think this thread is valid if we were to go to 16

Sixteen team Quadrant Conference

Just replace NIU with BYU, and shuffle around the quadrants a bit and BAM a really good conference.

(04-06-2012 09:49 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I still think this thread is valid if we were to go to 16

Sixteen team Quadrant Conference

Just replace NIU with BYU, and shuffle around the quadrants a bit and BAM a really good conference.

No. It makes us look second rate. The SEC, Pac-12, B1G, Big XII and ACC would never go to the quadrant and having a playoff for the conference champ sounds great but could hurt our chances to get into the NCG playoff. If one of our teams does make that playoff thats four post season games being played. A Big East team would need to win 16 games to win a national title.

A four quadrent 16-team league is DEFINITELy the way to go if we want to expand that far. I think it's a non-issue. It allows a you to play the whole division every other year. With two divisions, you can only play the other division once every four years. No to mention that you will host everybody only once in EIGHT SEASONS. Much better for recruiting being able to play everybody, everywhere over that course of a recruit's career.

And NJRedMan, Who cares if nobody else is doing it? Since when has the nBE cared what the other conferences did? No other conference has teams in all four time-zones, but that didn't stop us then. We wouldn't be in near the shape we are in now by following the lead of others.

(04-06-2012 03:58 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  

(04-06-2012 03:27 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I have to say that, when NOT comparing money between the BE and B12 or even BCS status, the BE makes more sense than the B12. I know some would think that that's an idiotic statement and I could understand why some would say that. But the BE provides BYU with a national schedule; with games against western opponents in SDSU and Boise State, and then games in Texas, Florida, and the Northeast. The Northeast has a decent amount of LDS followers. I will say that the B12 does have more appealing opponents for BYU in Texas, Oklahoma, WVU, and others. I agree with Frank that if it was up to BYU's AD and President, BYU would already be in a conference.

Great point and that is exactly why they want their rebroadcasting rights. Where your argue stops at USA... LDS chruch wants to boardcast to the whole world literally.

And if they are a conf member of your conf playing another conf member...that's not a BAD THING (i.e. world-wide pub for your conf and 2 conf members on the BYU channel).

Louisville will not stay because of BYU. I suspect Cincinnati will not either. Listen to what Louisville AD Tom Jurich said on the issuse early this year. You will see a sponsor's add before AD Jurich speaks.

Tom Jurich on Louisville Staying in Big East

No one will stay just because BYU joins. So let's stop these posts that go nowhere. Until an invite comes to any of the current members they will be in the Big East so all we can hope for is to make it as good and profitable as it can be.

(04-07-2012 09:44 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Louisville will not stay because of BYU. I suspect Cincinnati will not either. Listen to what Louisville AD Tom Jurich said on the issuse early this year. You will see a sponsor's add before AD Jurich speaks.

Tom Jurich on Louisville Staying in Big East

"The Big East has a good plan in place and we expect to be a big part of it." Yeah sounds like they are on their way out the door.

Also if BYU doesn't go to the Big XII then why would the Big XII invite UofL? To go to 11? I doubt it.

(04-07-2012 09:55 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  No one will stay just because BYU joins. So let's stop these posts that go nowhere. Until an invite comes to any of the current members they will be in the Big East so all we can hope for is to make it as good and profitable as it can be.

It's just wilkies sad Don Quixote-like mission. Just fighting (windmill) dragons forever.

All Jurich said is 1) we are happy in the Big East right now, 2) Louisville will continue to improve, and 3) Louisville is always looking for better opportunties. The Mod ask us to stop so I will. You seem to enjoy this.

I never get tired of seeing the St Johns cheerleader.

(04-07-2012 10:13 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  All Jurich said is 1) we are happy in the Big East right now, 2) Louisville will continue to improve, and 3) Louisville is always looking for better opportunties. The Mod ask us to stop so I will. You seem to enjoy this.

So will EVERY Other school in the BE, what makes UL so special in this regard? Do you honestly think Texas is dying to add another commuter school to the B12 unless they absolutely have to? Why do you think Texas does not want to join the SEC and was looking at the PAC-12? Hint: it is not just money. Texas wants to associate itself with schools with similar academic profiles and UL does not fit that bill at all. SEC holds no appeal to Texas because most schools there suck at academics.

BE will be fine if UL leaves today. Really, none of this matters in the bigger picture. UL is just a small piece in a much bigger puzzle.

It is now April 7th and where is that big UL to the B12 announcement? I am still waiting for that. You only repeated that dumb a** statement like a million times.

Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

(04-07-2012 02:38 PM)Bull Wrote:  Well for what it's worth (not much), I also believe the BYU>AFA>Fresno, and that one will be added soon. I also think BYU will join either the B12 or the nBE. The B12 should be their first preference. The only question I can see helping the nBE is how much in concessions the B12 is willing to grant BYU. We may be willing to grant more, but God only knows if it would be enough, or when it might happen. That's what is hugely annoying. How long will we dink around flirting with BYU and AFA, while they drag things out or 'think about it'.

Hopefully, if for nothing else than self respect, we don't wait forever on these guys. I'd add Fresno NOW. That 'finalizes' our conference for now, and for TV negotiations. Gives BSU and SDSU what they need. Double down in Cali. Win win. IF BYU and AFA somehow still want to join downstream, we'll always have a spot for them. Either by going to 16, or because we'll lose a few teams. Simple as that?

I wasn't a fan at first but i've now been won over by the 16 team conference broken into quads. That can offer BYU the national schedule they so desperately want as well as offering our TV partners two extra games of quality content. Which could help our TV deal.

West:
BYU
Boise
Fresno
SD

Mid-West:
AF
Houston
SMU
Memphis

South:
Cincy
UofL
USF
UCF

North-East:
Rutgers
UConn
Navy
Temple

Division A plays its own division (3 games), the whole division B (4 games) and then the team who finished in the same place the season before from the other two divisions C&D (2 Games). For example 1st place from division A would play 1st place from division C&D, and 2nd place would play the two 2nd place teams and so forth. Then the following year they would play all of division C while playing the teams who finished in the same position in division B&D and so on.

I call that the NFL style.

In order to entice BYU further i'd agree to a scheduling agreement for Basketball and if they want then also the other olympic sports.

Does anybody know when they may hear some word on what teams and what time frame teams will be added?

(04-07-2012 04:23 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  Does anybody know when they may hear some word on what teams and what time frame teams will be added?

TV negotiations start in Sept, so we should know by mid-summer at the latest. Prob by June is my guess.

UCF, Houston, Boise, SMU, SD St and Memphis join in 2013, Navy in 2015 and Temple in FB this season and BBall in 2013.