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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
(02-29-2012 11:21 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not saying it is common, but it does happen. Usually to really old people born in tiny towns that no longer have records. Or those born at home.

Fair enough. I'd be willing to set up buses to transport willing people to get the appropriate ID. It wouldn't take long as the number of people in the situation you described can't be many.

At least it seems we agree that the disenfranchising voters argument doesn't apply to minorities. Maybe the REALLY, REALLY old but that's all.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
I find it interesting that these "disenfranchised" voters can't seem to find the time or means to go get an ID, but they seem to have no problem getting to the polling places.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
As I said Owl. There ARE cases in some states where the documents necessary to get an ID are just not freely available...regardless if you can get there or not.

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article...nsequences

And there are such things as absentee ballots 03-wink
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
At the end of the day, I really find it difficult to muster much in the way of sympathy for these supposedly disenfranchised voters. The vast majority, if not all, of them are participating in other programs and activities that require proper ID--at least the ones that are citizens and actually have the legal right to vote. I really think this is a tempest in a teapot.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
Why is it that measures that protect the integrity of the vote almost always are opposed by one party on the left?

For example, states have found that their voter registration rolls are terribly maintained and contain lots of not only inactive voters, but names of those who may have moved out of state, or died. When the state officials in my state said we need to go through them and remove not only inactive voters (who haven't voted in the past two Presidential elections) but those whom it can be proven have moved elsewhere out of state or have died, that party went nuts with faux outrage.

Should be a straight forward process to clean up the voter registration rolls. Nope. One party (guess who?) cried foul and went straight to their election playbook. "It is not fair - there is the potential for disenfranchisement." Same as it ever was.

They don't even want us to TRY to have fair elections. It doesn't benefit them. But their objection is always that it MIGHT cause some harm. They rarely ever can point to an actual case.

What it is about is their ability to rig elections. The old joke about "vote early and vote often" in Chicago resonates because there was an element of truth in it. When you have organizations like ACORN, corrupt unions (political kickbacks of taxpayer $$ to one party), and a corrupt media that covers for this sort of behavior, it is any wonder that people question the integrity of elections? When the media response to allegations of voter fraud is anything other than crickets, it usually is to ridicule and disparage those making the accusations, ala Saul Alinski.

Without election integrity, do we really have liberty? The left knows this and knows that the ballot box is the last resort of the population they want to control.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
(02-29-2012 03:01 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Why is it that measures that protect the integrity of the vote almost always are opposed by one party on the left?

For example, states have found that their voter registration rolls are terribly maintained and contain lots of not only inactive voters, but names of those who may have moved out of state, or died. When the state officials in my state said we need to go through them and remove not only inactive voters (who haven't voted in the past two Presidential elections) but those whom it can be proven have moved elsewhere out of state or have died, that party went nuts with faux outrage.

Should be a straight forward process to clean up the voter registration rolls. Nope. One party (guess who?) cried foul and went straight to their election playbook. "It is not fair - there is the potential for disenfranchisement." Same as it ever was.

They don't even want us to TRY to have fair elections. It doesn't benefit them. But their objection is always that it MIGHT cause some harm. They rarely ever can point to an actual case.

What it is about is their ability to rig elections. The old joke about "vote early and vote often" in Chicago resonates because there was an element of truth in it. When you have organizations like ACORN, corrupt unions (political kickbacks of taxpayer $$ to one party), and a corrupt media that covers for this sort of behavior, it is any wonder that people question the integrity of elections? When the media response to allegations of voter fraud is anything other than crickets, it usually is to ridicule and disparage those making the accusations, ala Saul Alinski.

Without election integrity, do we really have liberty? The left knows this and knows that the ballot box is the last resort of the population they want to control.

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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
One specific day at one specific location to vote. Four years to get an ID at your leisure at any number of locations including in at least some proposals, someone coming to your house and providing it for free.

ID. Not a problem.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
MHB, I'm all for cleaning up the rolls and voter ID's (as long as they are free). But the problems usually seen with the proposals is that they almost always end up causing major issues for poor people. So naturally, the left is going to object to them.

And when it comes to cleaning up the rolls, it's not cheap...and most states have no money lying around to deal with it.

Lastly, the percentage of actual voter fraud is just not substantial. It's usually in the 1,000th to 10,000th decimal place. Likely less than other errors in counting, machine issues, etc.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
That it causes problems for poor people is another myth manufactured by the left. But keep trying that lie.

Perhaps the reason the prevalence of actual voting fraud is so small is because rarely is it really looked into and prosecuted. When the left BELIEVES that an election has been "stolen" from them (2000?) not only does the left howl but the media revs up the spin machine and they keep the pressure on. When the right believes it, they are met with crickets and ridicule and scorn from the media.

You know this to be true. Why are you so against election integrity? Without it, we are not much different than Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
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