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So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
After this organization and employees engaged in, too many cases to recall, massive voter fraud what organizations are they with to hatch their criminal enterprise? You know they will reappear somewhere;
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/39350
"Despite the bankruptcy filing, ACORN continues to operate. Project Vote and ACORN’s mortgage bubble generator ACORN Housing (renamed Affordable Housing Centers of America) are still is business.

ACORN’s state chapters now operate under assumed names such as Alliance of Californians for Community Empowerment, New York Communities for Change, Missourians Organizing for Reform and Empowerment, and Action United (Pennsylvania).

ACORN officials openly acknowledge the network is restructuring and will re-emerge soon to help reelect President Obama in 2012"


By Matthew Vadum on 8.10.11 @ 2:38PM
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/08/10/aco...-in-nevada

Judge Donald Mosley said if an individual, as opposed to a corporation, had been before him, he would have handed down a 10-year prison sentence. "And I wouldn't have thought twice about it," he said, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Mosley criticized ACORN for making a "mockery" of America's electoral process. "This isn't a banana republic," he said.
ACORN crimes committed in various states could give rise to a federal racketeering prosecution. Such action seems unlikely given that ACORN operatives now run the White House (and the Democratic National Committee).

ACORN to Shut Down Operations in Ohio
As part of a settlement agreement resulting from a lawsuit filed by Maurice Thompson of the 1851 Center for Constitutional Law, ACORN has agreed to permanently give up its business license and curtail many of its political activities in the state of Ohio.

Read more: http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/...z1nhpj9rD4


The voter fraud hall of shame: Milwaukee voter fraud conviction makes ACORN’s 2010 total at least 15
Published: 1:27 PM 11/23/2010
Yet another former ACORN employee was convicted of voter fraud last week. This brings the total number of convictions for former workers from the embattled group to at least 15 so far this year.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-vo...z1nhqL4h1e

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-vo...z1nhq82APB


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http://rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
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Dude, do you not understand the difference between voter registration and actual voting?
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Dude, do you not understand voter fraud is voter fraud?
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(02-28-2012 04:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Dude, do you not understand voter fraud is voter fraud?

Registration fraud is not voter fraud. 03-banghead

If they were vote with a fake voter registration, then it's voter fraud.
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(02-28-2012 04:18 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Dude, do you not understand voter fraud is voter fraud?

Registration fraud is not voter fraud. 03-banghead

If they were vote with a fake voter registration, then it's voter fraud.

So what's the point of registering bogus voters?
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(02-28-2012 06:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:18 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Dude, do you not understand voter fraud is voter fraud?

Registration fraud is not voter fraud. 03-banghead

If they were vote with a fake voter registration, then it's voter fraud.

So what's the point of registering bogus voters?

Getting paid via a poorly thought-out incentive program..
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(02-29-2012 09:23 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 06:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:18 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Dude, do you not understand voter fraud is voter fraud?

Registration fraud is not voter fraud. 03-banghead

If they were vote with a fake voter registration, then it's voter fraud.

So what's the point of registering bogus voters?

Getting paid via a poorly thought-out incentive program..

That's the point for the ones getting the sigs. What was the point for the organization? Do you really think they didn't know this was happening?
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(02-29-2012 09:31 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:23 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 06:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:18 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Dude, do you not understand voter fraud is voter fraud?

Registration fraud is not voter fraud. 03-banghead

If they were vote with a fake voter registration, then it's voter fraud.

So what's the point of registering bogus voters?

Getting paid via a poorly thought-out incentive program..

That's the point for the ones getting the sigs. What was the point for the organization? Do you really think they didn't know this was happening?

It's the standard "get out the vote" approach. Mickey Mouse and the other bogus registrations are not going to show up and vote because they don't exist. The majority of registrations are legit and they might, which is their right.

I'm not saying that this is a best practice. I'm saying that it's not the big issue that it's being made out to be.
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RE: So I wonder what the former ACORN people are up to?
(02-29-2012 09:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:31 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:23 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 06:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 04:18 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Registration fraud is not voter fraud. 03-banghead

If they were vote with a fake voter registration, then it's voter fraud.

So what's the point of registering bogus voters?

Getting paid via a poorly thought-out incentive program..

That's the point for the ones getting the sigs. What was the point for the organization? Do you really think they didn't know this was happening?

It's the standard "get out the vote" approach. Mickey Mouse and the other bogus registrations are not going to show up and vote because they don't exist. The majority of registrations are legit and they might, which is their right.

I'm not saying that this is a best practice. I'm saying that it's not the big issue that it's being made out to be.

It may not be.

How would you know if voter fraud was actually happening?

What if you were registered and never voted..would you still know?
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(02-29-2012 09:41 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:31 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:23 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-28-2012 06:47 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  So what's the point of registering bogus voters?

Getting paid via a poorly thought-out incentive program..

That's the point for the ones getting the sigs. What was the point for the organization? Do you really think they didn't know this was happening?

It's the standard "get out the vote" approach. Mickey Mouse and the other bogus registrations are not going to show up and vote because they don't exist. The majority of registrations are legit and they might, which is their right.

I'm not saying that this is a best practice. I'm saying that it's not the big issue that it's being made out to be.

It may not be.

How would you know if voter fraud was actually happening?

What if you were registered and never voted..would you still know?

Does this keep you up at night?
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(02-29-2012 09:47 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:41 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:31 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:23 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Getting paid via a poorly thought-out incentive program..

That's the point for the ones getting the sigs. What was the point for the organization? Do you really think they didn't know this was happening?

It's the standard "get out the vote" approach. Mickey Mouse and the other bogus registrations are not going to show up and vote because they don't exist. The majority of registrations are legit and they might, which is their right.

I'm not saying that this is a best practice. I'm saying that it's not the big issue that it's being made out to be.

It may not be.

How would you know if voter fraud was actually happening?

What if you were registered and never voted..would you still know?

Does this keep you up at night?

It should keep everyone up at night. My point is, and you agreed by not answering my question, that you can't prove voter fraud but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I think it is happening and I think a voter ID law would curb it. I'm also tired of the old excuse "but what about all the disenfranchised minorities". They all have ID's.

Here is a list of everything you need an ID for:

Driver's license
Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for welfare
Apply for food stamps
Cash a check
Purchase a firearm
Make any large credit card purchase
Open a bank account
Rent an apartment
Be admitted to a hospital
Get a marriage license

Do minorities not do any of these things? Of course they do. A voter ID bill won't "disenfranchise" anyone and the left knows it. They don't want it because they know the illegal immigrant vote helps them get elected.
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(02-29-2012 10:03 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:47 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:41 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:31 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  That's the point for the ones getting the sigs. What was the point for the organization? Do you really think they didn't know this was happening?

It's the standard "get out the vote" approach. Mickey Mouse and the other bogus registrations are not going to show up and vote because they don't exist. The majority of registrations are legit and they might, which is their right.

I'm not saying that this is a best practice. I'm saying that it's not the big issue that it's being made out to be.

It may not be.

How would you know if voter fraud was actually happening?

What if you were registered and never voted..would you still know?

Does this keep you up at night?

It should keep everyone up at night. My point is, and you agreed by not answering my question, that you can't prove voter fraud but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I think it is happening and I think a voter ID law would curb it. I'm also tired of the old excuse "but what about all the disenfranchised minorities". They all have ID's.

Here is a list of everything you need an ID for:

Driver's license
Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for welfare
Apply for food stamps
Cash a check
Purchase a firearm
Make any large credit card purchase
Open a bank account
Rent an apartment
Be admitted to a hospital
Get a marriage license

Do minorities not do any of these things? Of course they do. A voter ID bill won't "disenfranchise" anyone and the left knows it. They don't want it because they know the illegal immigrant vote helps them get elected.

Show me in the Constitution where the government can erect any barriers to voting access (even if appropriate) and I'll agree with you.
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An ID is not a barrier.
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(02-29-2012 10:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 10:03 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:47 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:41 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:40 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  It's the standard "get out the vote" approach. Mickey Mouse and the other bogus registrations are not going to show up and vote because they don't exist. The majority of registrations are legit and they might, which is their right.

I'm not saying that this is a best practice. I'm saying that it's not the big issue that it's being made out to be.

It may not be.

How would you know if voter fraud was actually happening?

What if you were registered and never voted..would you still know?

Does this keep you up at night?

It should keep everyone up at night. My point is, and you agreed by not answering my question, that you can't prove voter fraud but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I think it is happening and I think a voter ID law would curb it. I'm also tired of the old excuse "but what about all the disenfranchised minorities". They all have ID's.

Here is a list of everything you need an ID for:

Driver's license
Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for welfare
Apply for food stamps
Cash a check
Purchase a firearm
Make any large credit card purchase
Open a bank account
Rent an apartment
Be admitted to a hospital
Get a marriage license

Do minorities not do any of these things? Of course they do. A voter ID bill won't "disenfranchise" anyone and the left knows it. They don't want it because they know the illegal immigrant vote helps them get elected.

Show me in the Constitution where the government can erect any barriers to voting access (even if appropriate) and I'll agree with you.

So you aren't even going to argue the disenfranchisement of voters idea?

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181 (2008) was a United States Supreme Court case holding that an Indiana law requiring voters to provide photo IDs did not violate the Constitution of the United States.
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(02-29-2012 10:16 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 10:12 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 10:03 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:47 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 09:41 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  It may not be.

How would you know if voter fraud was actually happening?

What if you were registered and never voted..would you still know?

Does this keep you up at night?

It should keep everyone up at night. My point is, and you agreed by not answering my question, that you can't prove voter fraud but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. I think it is happening and I think a voter ID law would curb it. I'm also tired of the old excuse "but what about all the disenfranchised minorities". They all have ID's.

Here is a list of everything you need an ID for:

Driver's license
Buy alcohol
Buy cigarettes
Apply for welfare
Apply for food stamps
Cash a check
Purchase a firearm
Make any large credit card purchase
Open a bank account
Rent an apartment
Be admitted to a hospital
Get a marriage license

Do minorities not do any of these things? Of course they do. A voter ID bill won't "disenfranchise" anyone and the left knows it. They don't want it because they know the illegal immigrant vote helps them get elected.

Show me in the Constitution where the government can erect any barriers to voting access (even if appropriate) and I'll agree with you.

So you aren't even going to argue the disenfranchisement of voters idea?

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 553 U.S. 181 (2008) was a United States Supreme Court case holding that an Indiana law requiring voters to provide photo IDs did not violate the Constitution of the United States.

Ultimately this comes down to a matter of opinion. The reality is that there is no way to ensure that 1) no extra votes are counted or 2) that some votes are not counted.

If given a choice, I'd rather count extra votes than leave out real ones. I believe that voter registration is appropriate since it helps to create more credible and accurate elections. But that being said, there is a fine line between filtering out bogus votes and filtering out real votes.
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Counting an extra vote cancels out a real one.
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(02-29-2012 10:24 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Counting an extra vote cancels out a real one.

Right. Counting an extra vote cancels out my vote. Not counting votes...well that's obvious.

This isn't a "well, its the lesser of two evils" argument. We're talking about the sanctity of the vote and the only weapon we have to check the power of government. Voter fraud effectively takes that away. I'm not ok with that.
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(02-29-2012 10:24 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Counting an extra vote cancels out a real one.

It dilutes a real one, it doesn't 100% cancel it.
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(02-29-2012 10:27 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  
(02-29-2012 10:24 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Counting an extra vote cancels out a real one.

Right. Counting an extra vote cancels out my vote. Not counting votes...well that's obvious.

This isn't a "well, its the lesser of two evils" argument. We're talking about the sanctity of the vote and the only weapon we have to check the power of government. Voter fraud effectively takes that away. I'm not ok with that.

We disagree on the premise then. I do not believe that there is a way to have a 100% pure vote, you do. Of course you'll side with what you think is a pure vote, and I'll side with the option that I think is "more pure" than the alternative.
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